What is with all the "Christianity-Debunking" attempt threads?

Originally posted by HIFIGUY

Originally posted by Hellish-D
Interesting perspective coming from a conspiracy site. I think we can show dozens of examples where 'the truth' has lost in the end.
9/11
JFK assassination
Roswell
etc.

The Truth is as it is, regardless of your spin. There is one that knows, be they the participants, occupants, or victims.

And even though the evidence may not be apparent, the Truth still exists, and is unchangable. JFK was shot. Rosswell is a place. The question then becomes do you believe you will ever know the truth of either matter.

The Truth never goes away. The issue becomes, would you be believe it if it was right in front of your face. And would you know the Truth if it was given to you. Perhaps your own doubt would be your greatest stubling block.

Jesus Christ
After all, there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed, and there is nothing covered up that will remain undisclosed.

Peace


[edit on 9-2-2009 by HIFIGUY]

but wouldnt that require us to get past blind faith and dogma, use the intelligence that god gave us and see what the truth is, jesus stated that we are to seek the truth and to not follow blindlly .. which sadly few actually do.. they are too wrapped up in traditional docturine and dogma to actually see what is truely before them

reply to post by scorand

but wouldnt that require us to get past blind faith and dogma, use the intelligence that god gave us and see what the truth is, jesus stated that we are to seek the truth and to not follow blindlly .. which sadly few actually do.. they are too wrapped up in traditional docturine and dogma to actually see what is truely before them

Absolutely 100% accurate!! Now seems to be the distinguishing time to do so. But it is my belief that few will do so.

reply to post by MatrixProphet


i agree..
saddly there are many who are afraid to question biblical docturine

Originally posted by distortion9
Major turnoff...

By no means do I want or expect free thought and/or opinion to be restricted because it offends me. But, IMHO there is an anti Christian, anti American vibe here that keeps me from posting. To be frank, it makes me sick.

It's a strange world where the trend is to be more sympathetic towards radical Muslims than to conservative Christians....quite prophetic too.

Your name says it all about this post my friend. You have distorted things quite a bit. I don't think that being anti-Christian means you are anti-American. Also, I don't think that most people that you perceive to be 'anti-Christian' are anti-Christian at all. I think you will find that they are anti-established religion. They are anti-you all sin and can't be cleansed of those sins NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOU ARE because you can't ever match up with God. EVER!

This does not mean that people who are against this establishment (not the people or the base message of the man) are also anti-American.

Also, you sit there and say that Christians are conservatives and then pretty much say that people are leaning towards being sympathetic towards 'radical' muslims. Right there you are trying to imprint in the minds of the readers that there are simply two sides. The nice conservative Christians (pro-America!!!) and the RADICAL Muslims! (anti-America!!!!)

WRONG! This is what is wrong with many of these threads. People aren't attacking other religions much because other religions (other than the truly RADICAL parts) aren't up in your face about everything. I have friends from MANY different religions. The good thing is that they are all very good and decent people. We all get along just fine. We don't discuss much about the religious differences because we know that it can lead to passionate debates. That is how it is.

However, for you to sit there and try to pin the labels on that you have is just wrong. The majority of the Muslims out there are peace loving people. I mean the VAST majority. Like 90% plus majority. Yet, as has been typical throughout mans long and bloody history, sides are being created. Christians make the Muslims out to be evil people that believe in a false god (funny how they both worship the God of Abraham isn't it). They need that for some reason.

And when I say Christians I don't mean all. See, I have to state that because a blanket statement like the ones you made just may be taken the wrong way. Or maybe you meant it the way you said it.

I know this debate is very long. I'm sure it is heated and I just don't feel like reading 430 pages to catch up before replying.

What we need to do people is remove ourselves from this pathetic and childish THEM vs. US mentality. Why? Well, for one, IF YOU ARE RIGHT THEN GOD MADE US ALL! Meaning, that we all have God in us (YOUR GOD, THEIR GOD) and that we are all brothers and sisters before God. Spewing anger and hatred towards others because of their religion is pathetic. Period.

It's a new age thing. Debunk Christianity, bad mouth white male fathers, whats wrong is right, whats right is wrong....The US is going down the tubes, morally. Mother Earth, feminism, socialism. I swear...it makes me sick.

It's everywhere, TV, magazines, news papers, it's everywhere. Females are taking the stronger roles in the media, men are portrayed as clueless, lispy sissies, gay men are being touted as "sheik", "in style" and "cool", young girls are being told boys are stupid, and young boys are being taught how to be sensitive, and playing with toy guns and GI joe's is wrong, anyone who's a Christian is a bible thumping Jesus freak.....it's unreal, really.

Pretty soon we won't be able to smoke a cig in the comfort of our own homes...oh wait, thats already happening.

It's sickening.

reply to post by undo

ACTUALLY, it's a misnomer that it is based purely on faith. We don't just have a personal faith, but nearly 7000 years of historical documentation and artifacts, not to mention other testimonies, some which are eye witness testimonies. The real and central issue is - is any of that legit. And that's what the argument finally boils down to.

Actually what I believe it really boils down to is this: how long will God allow mankind to be duped by religion and will bring it all to an end? How long will he allow man to make a God of their religion?


reply to post by wylekat

And I await the first one to come stomping up to my post screaming how I have personally offended them. That is the BIGGEST sign of a hypocrite-

"By their fruits you will recognize my people!"
The incredible difference between someone who is spiritual and one who is religious.


reply to post by Ridhya

Again, if people could stop from constantly lying to themselves,

When pigs fly?
Usually people have to lose everything before you get their attention.


reply to post by TNT13

So since "Christianity" started around 135 BC and is basically a mash up of other religions at the time, done so by Constantine. How could you possibily have 7000 years of anything refering to Christianity, Since it's based on the New Testement and it is a relatively new religon maybe 2200 years old.

I think you mean 135 AD? Constantine was in the 4th Century. Christianity would only be about 2,000 years old as Paul was the founder of Christianity and not Jesus. The Gnostic's were actually around prior to Jesus and Christianity is made up of many Gnostic beliefs brought in by Paul and others.

AND I AM saying that Christianity is false!!!!!

reply to post by MatrixProphet


Thanks for rehashing my work, my mistake on the date. Even better that it's more recent in our history, even more of a cause to think something was a terrible scam.

reply to post by HIFIGUY


You are talking about a truth you personally believe in, and frankly you have a biased and narrow view of other religions. What about men of spirituality like buddist monks? Are there religious sacrifices able to be pailed by a christian comparsion? I think not. These men have claimed to reach Nirvana through spiritual meditation, how can you claim you've reached greater heights. To claim anything of the sort you are doing the exact opposite of any of the teachings of Jesus regardless, He taught to love not want and to teach not preach. Although I believe he may have been an influencial man probability tells me he probably was very charasmatic and could give a good speach, yes a good man but putting him on the pedistal of a Godly like figure is even blasfamy by your own commandments. By the way if you've seen Jesus did he say something about being Christian? Because technically he was Jewish.

Originally posted by badmedia
I'm pretty sure Christianity is mentioned more than others because it is the religion that is most prevalent in our culture. And this fact is being overlooked and so some people are acting as if it is only their religion which is under scrutiny.

I have seen topics on other religions. They are usually started by Christians and are some of the most horrid topics I've seen on these forums. I've only been here about 6 months, but in that time I've seen a few of them. And they usually seem to be reposts of some chain email propaganda designed at making other Christians hate other religions.

I "pick" on Christianity because it is the false religion Jesus spoke about, the religion in his name that killed anyone who didn't go along with it. It was formed by a 2nd shepherd(Paul, who makes up 50% of the NT writings, more than Jesus or any disciple that walked with Jesus) who formed the official religion based on politics and the powers/prince of this world.

Which is prophecy fulfilled. Prophecy many Christians still wait to be fulfilled because they look at all religions except their own as the false religion. I personally find the entire religion of Christianity to be an attack on Jesus/truth.

[edit on 7-2-2009 by badmedia]

I'm 99% certain that if it wasn't for Christianity spreading across Europe via Paul and then the Romans the USA wouldn't even exist, be discovered as we know it along with the rest of the america's etc.

I had a heated debate with a friend of mine who vehemently is opposed to religion. After going back and forth for some time on this I finally said that if it wasn't for religion he wouldn't even be spiritual in the first place.
Sure some bad apples in history and nowadays give the religion a bad name which the vocal atheists jump about at.

But on the whole I think it's worked out good for the working class folks of Christianity. Indeed you might say that for large populations Christianity is a decent, ethical and morally strong foundation. It may not 'exude' the super-duper, metaphysical, new age wizardry that gets harped on about.
And I will agree that it's a little bit over-controlling and dictates some arguable paths, but nothing on this earth is perfect. The church elders of old's mindset is likely to of been 'we know best and it'll try and keep the people on the right path'. Not entirely a disagreeable principle for those turbulent times and now you might say.
So least it does a pretty good job at keeping folks on a decent keel most of the time.

reply to post by WatchRider


granted that may be the case but christianity as a whole still has major issues as far its cruelity towards those of differing beliefs is quite evedent in history and today. and those mind sets are being exposed for what they are.. not to mention the false teachings of docturine and dogma.. the base of jesus is true but the church has twisted and misled the populace.. look at how christianity went about accomplishing what we have today.. at what cost.. the people and cultures that were destroyed due to manipulation and vile use of twisted scripture to suit a purpose.. they took a decent idea and used inquisistional attitude and ruined a lot on the way..the fat cats in charge are of the same mold as the cretins who killed jesus in the first place.. christians dont seem to want to learn from past mistakes and wrongs commited in gods name.. they refuse to question their leaders, and their interpetation of scripture.. then hide behind said scripture to avoid facing the truth.. they will pick and choose from the bible to suit their own desires. no matter who they hurt or destroy in the procese.

When anyone tries to pull - humans wouldn't know how to behave or have morals & ethical behavior if it wasn't for Christianity and bible teachings.

I refer them to the complex society of Timber Wolves and Elephants. Many animal societies have better ethical behavior then humans.

My atheist and wiccan friends are far more conscious of behavior and treatment of their fellow man - - then anyone I've known who lives their life out of a compilation of man written & chosen ancient scripts.

I was raised Christian - I stepped out of the box into a thinking world. I support my right to debunk what I consider false and harmful to many.

reply to post by TNT13

Originally posted by TNT13
He taught to love not want and to teach not preach.

Not every person is taught at the same level. You do not teach Chemistry in Kindergarten, or coloring while you are getting your doctorate.

Therefore, the eye of the recieiver within these pages are at many levels.
Some percieve it as preaching, while others see it as teaching.

One is a proclamation, the other is an education.

Is typing Love one another..and a reminder of his command teaching..or preaching?

If I had to say, one way or the other....

It was about doing.

Peace


[edit on 9-2-2009 by HIFIGUY]

How ironic that "No Jesus Christ" by Seether is playing when I found this thread.

I have my feelings toward religion and I agree that most of the religion bashing is of the christian religions. I will hold my thoughts on the subject for another day as I do not feel argumentative right now and am not in the mood to try to sway someones opinion and prove my own as it remains pointless and goes nowhere. Good observation and this is a very touchy subject. It pushes peoples buttons easily in that it intrudes on their personal beliefs and their ability to question them. I don't believe in "any" organized religion and I have my reasoning. I saw a bumper sticker the other day that I liked. It said Jesus Christ is Santa for grown ups.

Originally posted by Thiaoouba Prophecy
""Christians, throughout the centuries, have killed in the name of God. The Inquisition was a good example, and the Spanish Catholics in Mexico behaved worse than the most savage tribes, all in the name of God and Christ.


In the various councils of the Roman Catholic Church, the Bible has been greatly revised, for reasons which are clear: to serve the needs of Christianity.

Emphasis mine... The revisions perpetrated on the scriptures by the Roman Catholic Church were to serve the Catholic agenda, not the Christian agenda. Catholicism and Christianity are not synonymous. Historically, we see the RCC continuously persecute any who would question their authority, including true Christians. But don't get me wrong, I am not against Catholics, just Catholicism.

I havn't had a real chance to look through this thread to see if what I'm about to say has already been said and if so, I apoligise

however I believe Christianity is picked on the most simply because
A) it is the largest religion in the world (unless Islam has taken over)
and
B) it is mainly the religion of the western world and this site seems to have more westerners than others so most will direct their threads at the largest religion outside their door.

But who knows, I personally strongly disagree with all religion to the core but let's face it, threads on it won't do anything. Most people have made up their mind and arn't subject to change no matter how good an arguement is and being humans will argue their view to the point of insanity.

Originally posted by N3krostatic
How ironic that "No Jesus Christ" by Seether is playing when I found this thread.

I have my feelings toward religion and I agree that most of the religion bashing is of the christian religions.

You think so? Try saying "I believe Jesus was an alien".

OK - I realize us who believe Jesus was an alien are a small minority. So of course by shear numbers we are not in quantity the ones who are bashed the most. But you can count the number of Christians in their mass assault verbal attacks on us. Then figure out the percentage.

I don't think its fair to judge by volume. We all know Christians are the largest organized religious group in America - and probably on this board.

Christians have the largest number and therefore the loudest voice. Therefore they are the most visible.

Originally posted by Annee
When anyone tries to pull - humans wouldn't know how to behave or have morals & ethical behavior if it wasn't for Christianity and bible teachings.

I refer them to the complex society of Timber Wolves and Elephants. Many animal societies have better ethical behavior then humans.

My atheist and wiccan friends are far more conscious of behavior and treatment of their fellow man - - then anyone I've known who lives their life out of a compilation of man written & chosen ancient scripts.

I'm very glad you have such good friends - I too have good friends among people of other faiths but it wasn't my "good" ethical friends of other faiths or even my life long buddies that took care of me for months after I had surgery, fed me. washed and ironed my clothes, and made sure that I was taken of and comfortable - the folks that did those things came from my church and my bible study circle and I hadn't known any of them very long......so please folks - judge not as the saying goes....because most of you who have the most to say about Christians have the least experience and personal knowledge of them and simply repeat what you have been told....and lets not quibble - most of you who are outspoken critics of the bible have never truly read the darn thing...

As for living my life out of an ancient compilation of scripts - I much prefer it to, well - living my life by Neitzche's script - an outspoken critic of christianity....

I just had a thought, I am sorry if someone beat me to it, 24 pages to read/skim through........

Why not start a thread "Is the book of Mormon really the word of God" or "Is Ellen White really a Prophet" or "Was Jim Jones right" or "Do crystals really heal" or "Is the Witches Bible really God's word" or, now this is the dangerous one............................

"Is the Koran really the word of God"............... but be really careful on this one, if you say it isn't or even depict a cartoon about your answer, your house just might blow up!

sorry for the poor attempt at some humor. But I would like to see threads like this too. but I don't or maybe I just need to click on that button that says "search".

Originally posted by realshanti

I'm very glad you have such good friends - I too have good friends among people of other faiths but it wasn't my "good" ethical friends of other faiths or even my life long buddies that took care of me for months after I had surgery, fed me. washed and ironed my clothes, and made sure that I was taken of and comfortable - the folks that did those things came from my church and my bible study circle and I hadn't known any of them very long......so please folks - judge not as the saying goes....because most of you who have the most to say about Christians have the least experience and personal knowledge of them and simply repeat what you have been told....and lets not quibble - most of you who are outspoken critics of the bible have never truly read the darn thing...

And my daughter's friend who is a member of a Fundamental Christian Church had a nervous breakdown - she is the mother of four children - - not one person - pastor - or anyone in her church called or check on the children or visited. Its been over a year now. Still not one call.

My daughter who attends The Center for Spiritual living - - lost her husband to illness one month after their son was born. They paid her rent for six months - brought her food - gave her gift cards in the thousands of dollars - arranged for her to be connected to several other agencies - bought her Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner - plus all presents for the her 2 children were provided by the people of her Spiritual living center.

I'm thrilled you had a good experience - - but I can only go by my own. As a grandmother of 60+ years - - it is the pattern I've seen most. Not that there aren't exceptions.

What's with all these "Christians are persecuted" threads? Get over yourselves already.