ancient egypt and satan

Why is it that some researchers say ancient egypt was satanic? I would like some sources of this and maybe some kind of books reading material etc.

Please and thank you.

in short the people who wrote the bible wrote it almost entirely in responce to egypt - they stole many of the storys, motifs, etc and they made a big point of making sure all the 'gods' of egypt were dismissed and their god worshipped.

1 quick example, The Ten Commandments.

Each tablet contained all ten rules, five per side - just like the egyptan legal system, even down to being in duplicate.

The idols and 'false gods' which are banned were aimed at egyptian idol worship and the idea of pharo as a living god, thats why god was very clear that their is ONE god and he's the 'god of the mountain' who will never EVER appear to them in another form, especially as not in human form -which is of course why #some# people say jesus isn't god but a prophet (Islam).

So from a biblical viewpoint egypt does seem to be demonic, thats because they were the very first group of people 'demonised.'

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'Cause it's not Christian. Any Christian viewpoint tends to regard any other religion as Satanic, regardless of anything actually concerning the religion.

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Originally posted by NatureBoy
in short the people who wrote the bible wrote it almost entirely in responce to egypt

It wasn't. Their main enemy was the Sumerian/Assyrian/Babylonian empires followed by the Roman Empire. The Book of Lamentations is about the Babylonian captivity, as are many other Old Testament books.

they stole many of the storys, motifs, etc

Some Babylonian ones, yes. Egyptian ones, no.

and they made a big point of making sure all the 'gods' of egypt were dismissed and their god worshipped.

They dismissed all the gods. Didn't matter whose.

1 quick example, The Ten Commandments.

Bad choice of examples. The Jews don't have a "Ten Commandments." There are 613 commadments: www.jewfaq.org...

The "ten commandments" are a Christian thing, with differences in the Catholic (older) version and the Protestant (newer) version.

Each tablet contained all ten rules, five per side - just like the egyptan legal system, even down to being in duplicate.

No civilization had a set of laws that simple. Egypt had at least 8 books of laws: www.touregypt.net...

The idols and 'false gods' which are banned were aimed at egyptian idol worship and the idea of pharo as a living god, thats why god was very clear that their is ONE god and he's the 'god of the mountain' who will never EVER appear to them in another form, especially as not in human form -which is of course why #some# people say jesus isn't god but a prophet (Islam).

Err... that's neither from Egypt nor from the Hebrews. There are good online Bibles you can check for references.

So from a biblical viewpoint egypt does seem to be demonic, thats because they were the very first group of people 'demonised.'

If any group was said to be "demonic" (and this is not something that the Jews said of other people), it would have been the Sumerians. However, the race of people that were bred when the angels mated with women were thought to be unclean (they aren't given names but sure aren't Egyptian.)

The Egyptians were "demonized" to some extent during the middle ages, when it was thought that the Egyptians had special magical secrets.

Actually, not everything about ancient Egypt was seen as satanic to the Christians. In fact, they used some symbolism from the Egyptian mythology to convert pagans to Christianity. For instance, the "halo" that stands behind the heads of many profits and saints and what not in Christian images was actually adopted from the Egyptian sundisk of Re and Heru (Horus). And the whole virgin birth idea came from Aset (Isis)--her birth of Horus was a virgin birth.

There is a love-hate thing between the ancient Egyptians and Hebrews. Most of the back story was expurgated during the Babylonian captivity.

Joseph was probably the first person in the Old Testament who actually existed historically.

Whether Moses was or was not Ikhnaton the monotheistic pharaoh is a good question. A lot of revisionism has obscured the story.

More when I have some free time.


Mike

Originally posted by 4th disciple
Why is it that some researchers say ancient egypt was satanic? I would like some sources of this and maybe some kind of books reading material etc.

Please and thank you.

Because they were evangelical fanatics attempting to explain something beyond their theological capacity to the best of their ability.

Egypt wasn't Satanic.. they were Pagans. Pagans =/= Satanic.

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Well, this is a first. I'm going to have to disagree with Byrd on stuff. At least I can agree on others, so I'm not, like, blaspheming.

Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by NatureBoy
in short the people who wrote the bible wrote it almost entirely in responce to egypt

It wasn't. Their main enemy was the Sumerian/Assyrian/Babylonian empires followed by the Roman Empire. The Book of Lamentations is about the Babylonian captivity, as are many other Old Testament books.

No, their primary enemies were the other tribes of the Levant - they did a good job of wiping out a few, but others remained, and apparently the Israelites converted to their religion and assimilated into these competing cultures often enough to make their own god really, really upset with their pillows. The Babylonian empire did arrive as a problem, but for the most part, the big enemies of the old testament were the Phoenicians and, to a somewhat lesser extent, the Egyptians.

they stole many of the storys, motifs, etc

Some Babylonian ones, yes. Egyptian ones, no.

While I won't argue that they adopted a big mess of Sumerian belief, the Israelites were a Semitic people, with a Semitic language and, at least at the beginning, a Semitic religion. To say they borrowed nothing from their cousins and neighbors the Egyptians is just a little silly. Quite likely a lot of that got purged after whatever event led to the Moses story (in fact that story may in and of itself be parable for such a purge of Egyptian influence on the Israelites, given the utter lack of any evidence of that from the Egyptian PoV)

and they made a big point of making sure all the 'gods' of egypt were dismissed and their god worshipped.

They dismissed all the gods. Didn't matter whose.

Well, they were rather particular - the bible stands loudest and strongest against the Phoenician pantheon, Bel and Malech in particular. There are also mentions of the idolotry of earth cults, and at least one instance of condemning the worship of an Egyptian idol (the golden calf - which led to quite a slaughter by Moses)

1 quick example, The Ten Commandments.

Bad choice of examples. The Jews don't have a "Ten Commandments." There are 613 commadments: www.jewfaq.org...

The "ten commandments" are a Christian thing, with differences in the Catholic (older) version and the Protestant (newer) version.[/quote

They're there in the Hebrew bible as well. The Levitical laws are motr like "sub-laws" based on the ones that Moses brought down from the mountain. "Well, this says we should worship god, but how should we do that? Incinerate an ox!"

The Bible itself also has two versions of the Ten Commandments, the first and second batch.

Each tablet contained all ten rules, five per side - just like the egyptan legal system, even down to being in duplicate.

The idols and 'false gods' which are banned were aimed at egyptian idol worship and the idea of pharo as a living god, thats why god was very clear that their is ONE god and he's the 'god of the mountain' who will never EVER appear to them in another form, especially as not in human form -which is of course why #some# people say jesus isn't god but a prophet (Islam).

Err... that's neither from Egypt nor from the Hebrews. There are good online Bibles you can check for references.

Indeed, the whole "mountain god" idea is a more or less fake idea promulgated by folks in the 1930's trying to come up with a "white people did it!" explanation for everything in history. The "Mountain God" is a fantasy creation of people who wanted the Aryans to be the foundation of the bible. it's sense been picked up by various new-age sources as factual, in order to condemn Abrahamic faith.

So from a biblical viewpoint egypt does seem to be demonic, thats because they were the very first group of people 'demonised.'

If any group was said to be "demonic" (and this is not something that the Jews said of other people), it would have been the Sumerians. However, the race of people that were bred when the angels mated with women were thought to be unclean (they aren't given names but sure aren't Egyptian.)

The Egyptians were "demonized" to some extent during the middle ages, when it was thought that the Egyptians had special magical secrets.

Earlier than that, for the same reasons, though. There's also the modern image of the Egyptians as death-cultists,

As for the biblical portrayal... I don't know, the Egyptians always came across as pretty sympathetic characters in here. This god of the Israelites loves screwing with them. It starts with the Pharaoh of the time going "Dude! Why'd you let me marry your WIFE?" and goes on up to Yahweh slaughtering about a third of Egypt's population.

the people who wrote that that egyptians were satanic were obviously christian. As only a christian would even say something like that. Quick little history lesson. After the christians took over, everyone that was not christian was satanic, the history books were written to say they were pagans or heathens. Look up pagan, it is not a "religion" it is just a word to describe anything that was not christian same goes for heathen.

paganistic religions were around long b4 christianity and imo made much more sense than christianity

Unfortunately "The True One God Worship" has not been practiced for a long, long time. Though Catholic and Protestant seem to think they are the only ones that do because in their belief in Jesus (which even the religious practices regarding him have been skewed over time, Christianity is a whole nother subject), the only group even close to still following the true faith would be the ones following the Hebrew faith (I always get confused which is religion and which are the people so please for give me if I mixed it up here). The Modern day bible that the Protestants use, usually the “King James” version, is one that was put together with many different books in it from many different prophets, and according to some sources it is believe there were many prophets, apostles, or whoever’s stories that were left out as well as misinterpretations of texts put in. The Catholic bible is not much better, and yes there are different versions of both Catholic and Protestant bibles, different sects teach from different versions. Where as the Hebrew texts, were there are variations of these as well, have remained pretty much the same for centuries. I am not saying there have been no changes made, I do not know for sure there have not been, I am just saying these are more inline with the original teachings.

So because of this it is difficult to say if the “Original One God Worshipers” would have or would not have considered the Egyptians satanic.

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Some modern tourists who are Christian see ancient Egypt as "satanic" because thats their conditioned response to people with the heads of jackals and vultures, people with horns on their head and other sinister looking folk.