Honda cutting production in U.S., Japan

reply to post by RFBurns


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lol Crap like that was the reason why Japanese carmakers became big in the first place.

We are going to have to move to a protectionalist economy if we are going to survive. Thats the next step, just no one is speaking up about it yet. why we use these "Free trade" agreements which are at the core of this problem is beyond me. No one else in the world is practicing unbridled capitalism that wouldnt be in their best interest. I wish we could get through these economists/entrpeneuers/businessmens thick skul that this is a failing system. you cant compete against countries who are protecting their own interests abd be succesful.

reply to post by eldard


Obviously you were not around in the 70's were you.

Thats ok stick with your 4 banger rice burners that need nitro cheat add ons and still couldnt match that 70's Mustang..of the line or well after the 1/4.

This was an era of American prosperity, plenty of jobs, manufacturing, industrial might. Today..its all wrapped up in your thin bodied, easily dented and highly expensive POS's that cant hold the title to be declared American made.

Take those POS's elsewhere so we can put REAL vehicles back on the road once more.

And bring back those manufacturing jobs like they were in the 70's that made our products the top notch of the entire world.

Your 4 banger rice burner, in 30 years, wont be no where near the collector value of that 70's Mustang is....if that tells you anything.

Nor will the modern Mustang be worth anywhere near the collector value as that 70's Mustang is....if that tells you anything too.

Both your 4 banger rice burner and these newer vehicles will be in the junk yard LONG before that 70's Mustang or any other vintage car ever will be. And those collectors vintage cars will be sought after far more than your rice burners and aluminum plate bodied new POS's.




Cheers!!!!

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Originally posted by RFBurns
reply to post by eldard

 

And bring back those manufacturing jobs like they were in the 70's that made our products the top notch of the entire world.
[edit on 28-1-2009 by RFBurns]

I have to differ here with respect to cars - Americans might think they made the best cars, but the fact is that they weren't really very good.

innefficient, bad handling and reliablility problems made sure that the only people who owned them were americans.

Not that the british car industry (with the exception of luxury cars) was any better.

The power shift from the west



to the east


oh whats this? The far east

reply to post by budski


Point is, they were exceptoinal for what they were, and they were made by physical bodies, not piles of automation robots. They were not as unreliable as you claim.

There were some models of cars out there that indeed were POS. Those did not make up the majority of vehicles like that Mustang, or a Chevy Malibu, or a Corvette or Dodge Challenger. Those particular vehicles were master pieces of precise engineering and it is the very reason why there are still some running to this day, and are extremely high priced collector's items.

There was one early 70's Dodge Charger that went up on auction a couple years ago that sold for over 1.3 million bucks. Now lets see a similar year Toyota or BMW go for that much! You wont. And the reason is obvious.

Nor in 30 years will we see ANY of these new vehicles from the past 2 years be worth that much in an auction, much less anyone bother to put one up for auction.



Cheers!!!!

reply to post by wolf241e


One word, If US consumer happy frenzy Americans will boycott anything foreign we would not be in the precarious situation we are now at least not that bad.

But America love their cheap sweat shop made goods.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by wolf241e

 

One word, If US consumer happy frenzy Americans will boycott anything foreign we would not be in the precarious situation we are now at least not that bad.

But America love their cheap sweat shop made goods.

Yep..thats a major part of the problem. The "cheap is better" mentality is at the core of why so many products we buy today are not made in this country..then we hear these "I want cheap" cry babies yell foul when the jobs are lost and sent overseas.

If there is going to be any recovery of this country's economy, we have to bring it back to this country, not sell it or invest it in overseas sweat/cheap labor shops.

Sure would be nice to be able to buy something that is made in America besides paper clips and toothpicks.



Cheers!!!!

Originally posted by RFBurns
Having those overseas car companies come here to the US was the mistake in the first place anyway..let them go elsewhere. That will give incentive to the US auto makers to revitalize their plants and jobs and start making 100 percent made in America vehicles again.

We dont need Honda or Mitsubishi or Nissan or any of those other foriegn car makers. We need OUR auto makers to make American made cars.


Cheers!!!!

the problem with that thinking is that you won't be able to afford American made cars, you will be able to buy a cheap imported Honda , Mitsubishi or Nissan or even Indian cars for much less.

with people being unemployed and the price of fuel will rise again, you won't even be able to afford to fill an American made gas tank without taking a second mortgage.

Unfortunately this is the begining of the death of America as a super power

reply to post by RFBurns


Exactly!!!!!!!! that is why I am not so hopeful about what Obama so "stimulus plan is going to do" if he doesn't bring the manufacturing base already lost in this country.

Thanks to the pushing of free trade and the NAFTA.

Right now most of Obama administration is compose of the same traitors that got us into this situation right now when they were all for supporting the same reasons that is killing our economy.

Worst yet right now the Obama mind is changing by the minute when it comes to NAFTA.

He in his campaign was aware and recognized that NAFTA policies needed to be reorganized because obviously its hurting America.

But the Democratic party base were the ones during the Clinton era that favored the NAFTA policies the most as many of them were pushed by them.

Now Obama is falling for the Democratic Party agenda, keep borrowing like the Republicans, and squandering the money with oversea trash.

The propaganda that foreign is good is nothing but BS to put more money into the pockets of businesses and companies that outsourced our industrial base.

American consumer bought it we became a nation of losers, lost of our jobs, industries and wealth, we became consumers of foreign cheap trash because "it was better".

We help kill our own economy.

reply to post by RFBurns


It doesn't matter if they were as good as Italian cars, they're still no match for the energy crisis of the '70s. They'll only sit well with collectors like you. In the long term they're still more expensive to the masses no matter how good they're made.

Some interesting points made but certainly a sign of where things are headed. I think those who are gleefully hanging on to the glory days are misaligned in their thinking. Perhaps cars of the 70/80's had some aspects that may or may not have made them better in the eyes of some but that didn't stop consumers.

Current JD Power & Associates stats clearly show, and for many years, that people are unhappy with the big 3 products, no surprise there. People want value for their money and with that value comes reliability. Whether cars are built my people or machines is another debate but robotics are only as good as though who program them. They are less prone to human error and subsequently should produce a better product. Further to that the complexity of modern cars far exceeds days of old. GPS, DVD players and a plethora of under the hood advancements has made the cars of today a lot more difficult to maintain. In that sense the cars of yesterday were simpler and perhaps that was their niche, but again, consumers demanded more.

If a car sells for 1million+ those are exceptions and truly do not reflect anything else of relevance. Collector pieces are priced for that reason, it does not indicate anything else. Honestly anyone who would pay 1million+ for a car needs their heads examined anyways.

The big 3 are done, stick a fork in them. Their over the top unions and bloated packages have finally been met with reality. Coupled with lousy quality and products that people do not want, well the results are obvious. So be it.

brill