The *Evil* Masonic Plot - I Have Some Questions

Originally posted by JoanTheBlind
reply to post by Nameless Hussy

 

My understanding is that the nephilim and the serephim have stars as their symbol. The Nephillim have a 5 pointed star as their symbol. The Seraphim have the Star of David with 6 points.

To invert a 5-pointed star where it is pointing down towards form and matter to where it is pointing upward and Ascending, you have to rotate it 33.3 degrees, thus there are 33 degrees to the old school masonry.

(Joan starts digging foxhole to prepare for LowLevelMason's counterpoint).

Won't have to dig too deep, seeing as how LLM was banned. That said, let's try some basic math. 360° in a circle. 360/5= 72° between each point. If we call the top point 0° and are working clockwise, the right point is at 72° and the down/right point is 144°. Down is 180°. So the least amount of rotation necessary, to move the down/right point to pointing straight down is 180-144 or 36°. Not sure how you arrived at 33.3° of rotation.

reply to post by JoshNorton


Thanks for that JN.

I whipped out a piece of paper and worked through your calculations. You are correct. I was 2.7 degrees off. Makes me wonder where that idea came from.

Is it possible that the symbolism was correct and there are 3 hidden degrees in Masonry? (33 degrees are known. 36-33 = 3)

Just doing some critical thinking....

Originally posted by JoanTheBlind


Is it possible that the symbolism was correct and there are 3 hidden degrees in Masonry? (33 degrees are known. 36-33 = 3)

Actually, that's a common misconception. Freemasonry is sort of an umbrella term which encompasses different varieties of the fraternity in the form of Rites. The Scottish Rite of Masonry has 33 degrees, but other Rites have different numbers. For example, the York Rite has 12 degrees, the Swedish Rite has 10 degrees, and the Egyptian Rite had 97 degrees.

Having just stumbled onto this forum today, and not having the time to register as of yet, I pose the following, though likely not original...

If the most powerful of the masons are being truthful, all is well

The problem is, the opposition believes they aren't.

No matter what a mason says, it is believed to be a lie unless it fits into their opponents agenda.

So... while it's fun to speculate (which is why we're here) what set of facts or confirmable truth can we use as a starting point in confirming or debunking the myth while quelling the hysteria that seems to follow the idea of Freemasonry? My father in law, stepfather, and an uncle are all freemasons and still I know nothing about them.

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Egyptian rite? never heard of it. that might explain where the "higher levels" come from. And all this time I thought the guy who claimed to be a 90th degree mason and a vampire was a wack job. Maybe it's all true and we are evil.

Originally posted by network dude


Egyptian rite? never heard of it. that might explain where the "higher levels" come from. And all this time I thought the guy who claimed to be a 90th degree mason and a vampire was a wack job. Maybe it's all true and we are evil.

In the 19th century, two different Egyptian Rites were popular in Europe: the Oriental Rite of Memphis (97 degrees) and Egyptian Rite of Mitzraim (90 degrees). In Italy, Garibaldi merged these two Rites into the Egyptian Rite of Memphis-Mitzraim. Over the years it has seen various schisms, and all versions of it are currently clandestine, with some variants admitting women.

In the United States, Illustrious Brother Harold Van Buren Voorhis, 33°, 97°, 90° was the last "regular" Grand Hierophant. Under his administration, the Sovereign Sanctuary of the Egyptian and Oriental Rites officially tabled themselves, and formed the Grand College of Rites of the United States as their own successor.

www.grandcollegeofrites.org...

Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by network dude
And all this time I thought the guy who claimed to be a 90th degree mason and a vampire was a wack job.

In the 19th century, two different Egyptian Rites were popular in Europe...

So if Bill is telling the truth about being a 90th degree, then he must be a vampire to still be around 100+ years later, talking about it on YouTube! The things you learn...

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Originally posted by JoshNorton

So if Bill is telling the truth about being a 90th degree, then he must be a vampire to still be around 100+ years later, talking about it on YouTube!

lol, probably not. Those degrees have not been regularly conferred in the United States since the 1920's. So if Schnoebelen really did receive those degrees, it was from an irregular body (there are several co-masonic orders that work those degrees).

However, IMO, it is much more likely that he simply read about them somewhere and started claiming to to be a "high ranking leader", like he did with the Illuminati, Mormons, Wiccans, and Satanists.



[edit on 29-1-2009 by Masonic Light]

Originally posted by hardamber
The highest fraternal order in Masonry is the Order of the Garter and that Prince Charles is the head of that Order.

The Order of the Garter has about as much to do with Freemasonry as these horndog fallen angels you were talking about, i.e., absolutely nothing. The Order of the Garter is not Masonic, and its members are not Freemasons.

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Well, at least he has given very different groups a similar point of contention.
After all, thy all dislike him very much.

Originally posted by hardamber
In 1933 an amendment was added to the constitution stating that the president is to be inaugerated on Jan 20th. This is really the 19.5th day of the year. The statue of freedom on top of the capitol building is 19 feet 6 inches tall.

There is a simple historical fact that the masons have missed here, which almost certainly debunks the possibility that this could be a masonic conspiracy.

In 1933, and up till recent years, ALL masonic installations (of the new Master) were done on 24 June. Exceptions were not allowed. Symbolically, if anyone was installed into any post, even outside Freemasonry, it had to be done on 24 June to have any masonic symbolism.

Recently, this has changed to encourage visitation of lodges during installations, but in 1933, the masonic symbolism of installation onto any post had still to be on 24 June, or it was not masonic.

[edit on 30/1/2009 by Saurus]

lol, probably not. Those degrees have not been regularly conferred in the United States since the 1920's. So if Schnoebelen really did receive those degrees, it was from an irregular body (there are several co-masonic orders that work those degrees).

However, IMO, it is much more likely that he simply read about them somewhere and started claiming to to be a "high ranking leader", like he did with the Illuminati, Mormons, Wiccans, and Satanists.

Or, he could be a real vampire and got his degrees back in the early 1900's, lol!

Sorry, just couldn't resist it....

Originally posted by JoshNorton
That said, let's try some basic math. 360° in a circle. 360/5= 72° between each point. If we call the top point 0° and are working clockwise, the right point is at 72° and the down/right point is 144°...

Hmm... interesting how those numbers pop up in myths and throughout the bible... the 72 assassins of Osiris, the 72 names of God; 144,000 in the rapture, the wall of the new Jerusalem being 144 cubits (which is oddly the measure of a man)... I have no idea what the division of a circle by five has to do with anything, but it's interesting nonetheless.

Anyhow, I was wondering if someone could answer this question that never got answered:

In Freemasonry, the ashlar comes in two forms: the rough ashlar represents a rough, unprepared or undressed stone, and is an allegory of the uninitiated Freemason prior to his discovering enlightenment; the smooth ashlar represents the dressed stone as used by the experienced stonemason, and is an allegory of the Freemason who, through education and diligence, has achieved enlightenment and who lives an upstanding life.

What does enlightenment mean in a Masonic context?

Also, if someone could point me in the direction of an *unbiased* source on the history of Masonry and what the symbolism means, that would be awesome. It's really hard to find good information if you have no idea what to look for - I'm finding either Masons are in league with the Dark Prince in a nefarious scheme for world domination, or they're nothing more than an all-male rotary club and the symbolism they employ is thoroughly innocuous. While I think modern Masonry does tend towards the latter (that's what I thought of Masonry before I came here, so imagine my surprise when I realized you were all a bunch of Brains trying to take over the world!), clearly the symbolism is not all that innocuous. Not that's it's evil either... but it is interesting.

edit to add: the source information can be books. I'm not averse to reading, and it would probably be preferable. Most sites I've found are either against Masons, or are predominantly geared towards dispelling the crazy myths built up around Freemasonry (understandable), or are geared towards guys looking to join. Which would not be me, as I lack the required appendage. Thanks.

[edit on 2/4/2009 by Nameless Hussy]

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there is a book called "A Bridge to Light", which is given to a mason after recieving the 32nd degree of the Scottish Rite in the southern juristiction.(at least I got one when I went through in Wilmington NC.) It is an easier read than Morals and Dogma and shares some of the ideology of masonic teaching. I have not read Morals and Dogma yet so I can't compare it,but some other masons here may have more insight.

For me personally, I see light as a personal feeling that I need to do better, and try to act better in all my daily activities. It's funny how you may find hundreds of different roads that all lead to the same simple rule. (Treat others like you would like to be treated)

I am still waiting for my instructions on which part of the world I am to dominate. (nobdy told me squat.)