Pastor Lindsey Williams Details "Economic Calamity" Ahead

Here is a link to a summary of a recent Lindsey Williams interview. I figured I'd post it as his material is always excellent and he has been bang on with a lot of his predictions.

www.henrymakow.com...

1. The reason why the "elite" dropped the world price of oil down below $50.00 a barrel was to wage economic warfare against the Arab/ OPEC countries. "They" seek to bankrupt OPEC countries., especially the Iranians by cutting their revenues more than 75%. (Do you think that is why Mr. Chavez is so belligerent towards the USA?) Why would they do that? Because Iran and the other OPEC states are getting too strong and too wealthy. The Iranians are running an oil bourse, that effectively sidesteps the oil markets of New York and London. (My note. Even worse they are trading oil not for dollars but for other currencies such as the Euro. This is a direct threat to the western banking system.) According to Williams, this will not be allowed to continue. This is about control!! "What is happening today has been planned for years and there are other more nefarious motives, which will be outlined below.

2. The world reserve currency is the dollar and dollar denominated assets such as U.S. Treasury Debt. The Arabs have been recycling their petro dollars into U.S. Treasury debt for thirty five years. (My comment. The Arabs/OPEC have been financing our national debt. This is per agreement with the New York Banking establishment, and the U.S. Treasury. This arrangement has been part of the world order since the collapse of the Bretton Wood Agreement in 1971. This is now coming to an end.) Now that they are being bankrupted (intentionally) the OPEC/Arab states are no longer willing or able to buy Treasury Debt. Hence, the interest on the National Debt (which now exceeds 15 Trillion dollars?) is not being financed by foreign creditors. China, India and other Asian states are doing the same thing. "They are running from dollar denominated assets." Therefore, the Federal Reserve is now buying up all the Treasury Debt issued by the U.S. Treasury to cover the debt maintenance on the national debt. (My Comment: this is called monetization and it is highly inflationary.) (My note: to put this in perspective, the so-called bailout, which was really nothing but a heist without the guns, in the amount of 700 billion dollars, was actually in the amount of 8.5 trillion dollars. All of this sum represents more debt "created" by the Federal Reserve which is then added to the National Debt. In addition to being extremely inflationary, we will be paying interest ("tribute?") on this debt to the banksters in perpetuity.)

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This guy has been right so far, and he even explains why and how all of this is happening...

Much respect to Lindsey Williams

Google Video Link

EDIT: Darn. video not working...

Sorry, I tried.

[edit on 16-1-2009 by LostNemesis]

I was trying to find some sort of a light at the end of the tunnel today... then I made the mistake of reading this article. This is one of the most depressing articles that I have read in a really long time. It wouldn't be nearly as depressing if Williams hadn't correctly called the collapse of oil back down to $50.00 a barrel.

This article is certainly "way out there" but a lot of it really feels accurate with where the world is heading. The sad thing is that "We the people" are so weak now that "IF" this is true, we would never stand up and stop it. It really is frightening how much everything is being manipulated right now. The only question is "to what end?" I wish I could see some sort of benevolant purpose but I just don't see it.

Can someone please debunk this so I don't have to think about it?

reply to post by Karlhungis


Not only did he call the oil fall he called the oil rise too.......sigh......I guess he is pretty much spouting what all of us here on ATS have been suspecting...

when did he predict the oil rise? He seems like such a salesman, Thats why I call him AJ#2

Originally posted by Brock
when did he predict the oil rise? He seems like such a salesman, Thats why I call him AJ#2

www.abovetopsecret.com...

All the way back in 2005 either this guy is to lucky on his predictions or he does have a source.

I really wish now that I hadn't read that article.


What he says about the reason for the record drop in gas prices makes a lot of sense, unfortunately so does pretty much everything else he said.

So many people are going to be caught off guard and blind sided by what is to come.

Fortunately for us the human race is extremely tough and resilient. We always adapt and press on no matter how many hardships we may face as a species.


Terrifying but unforgettable times we are living in brothers

anyone have a link or comment as to what he called the fall of oil to 50$ 'ish via prediction........if so..much thanks

There's one issue that I used to have a hard time getting my head around. # 4:

This year, 2009, the USA will face total financial collapse. The dollar will also collapse in value, and it will take years for the U.S.A. to recover.

Doesn't seem to agree with #2. If everything is run by the Western banking system and they mean to retain the dollar as the world reserve currency, then wouldn't it behoove them to keep it as robust as possible?

This is where this ties into my (and others') theory about the ultimate goal being to leech every dollar possible away from the citizens and get it back to the banks. Think about it, even with all of this supposed cash that's been injected into the banking system, the circulation of cash continues to be the lead weight around our necks. The banks have it in droves, and they're still demanding more of it from the government.

I have an idea, but the idea frightens me. It is so freaking sick and perverse that I really hope I'm wrong about it. The government has been promising all this money in the form of "prefered stock" to the banks. meanwhile, the markets keep dropping, people keep losing their jobs, and properties and debts keep getting defaulted on. Supposedly, the government holds all this stock in the banks and we're hearing rumors of nationalization of the banks as a result. The problem is, so far much of the money that's been 'injected' (how I hate that word) into the banks has been in the form of securing deposits and securing bad assets. So, technically speaking, no money has changed hands from the government to the banks, it is still just a Sword of Damocles hanging over our heads.

What happens when that sword breaks and suddenly all of these bad assets come home to roost because of the glut of defaults that are bound to happen over the next 12 months? The banks will come knocking at the federal government's doorstep and when the government makes the announcement that they are unable to cover such a huge debt, -POOF- it all goes back to the banks, the foreclosed properties, the prefered stock options, any additional stock held, people's savings, government bonds, all of it, claimed by the banks to cover a debt that our government should never have agreed to finance.

Then we're completely screwed. We'll have everything under the sun controlled entirely by the money changers and we will know what true slavery means.

and yeah, I really would sincerely love for somebody to tell me my idea is crap and mock it enough to convince me that I'm a moron. Tell me it's just a crazy idea and let's share a beer and a laugh together.

If our government wasn't actually run by these criminals, couldn't the government default on the loans and tell the banks where they can shove it? It wouldn't be the ethical thing to do, but this is warfare where a group of people is intending to collapse the country. Our government should be out to protect us from that type of behavior but instead they are in bed with them.

I really wish that our government had our (We the F'ing People) interests at heart but they don't. They only exist to protect themselves and big money. They appear to have zero allegiance to the United States and have sold us out.

(this was in response to the burdman, my damn reply to button is broken)

Originally posted by cpdaman
anyone have a link or comment as to what he called the fall of oil to 50$ 'ish via prediction........if so..much thanks

www.youtube.com...

july 23, 2008 posted on youtube.....

this guy may just be worth listening to

reply to post by Karlhungis


They could default, but I'm pretty certain that somewhere in the reams of papers that the insured deposit and troubled asset agreements there's wording that indicates that if the government fails to cover these bad assets the banks reclaim any stock the government purchased. The rest of what I posted would just be from the simple contracts between the customer and the banks. If you default on your debt, anything you used to secure the debt (homes, vehicles, bonds, stock portfolios, etc) can be legally siezed by the bank to repay what they say you owe.

I agree 100% with you about the government not looking out for our interests. I'd even go so far as to say the worst violation to the Constitution our government has ever committed, yet one which is never spoken of in the media in any form, is taxation without representation. We've become the very same England our forefathers fought and died to wrestle us away from. The only difference is the monarchy sits behind a screen of anonimnity and rules outside the public eye.

reply to post by burdman30ott6

Lots of very sharp readers and writers posting, here!
I have been chasing history from a different angle.
FYI
Bible predicts huge separation of wealth at the end of 6,000 years (that would be ...just about 2 decades shy of ...hmmm ...now).
The separation is described in Revelation, and includes the fall of the twin towers (ask a bible reader, he can take you to it).
The weath separation is also "shadowed" in Genesis, when Joseph gets the message that there will be a famine, and Pharoah puts him in charge.
Read that story and it will loosen your bowels. It reads like the papers today.
Short version: Fat times - GOV taxes and accrues wealth. Times go lean, and the GOV knew this was coming - GOV meters out survival needs in return for ...1st savings, then (2) livestock & possessions, then (3) land, then ...well then (4) the people sell themselves to the GOV.
Gen 47:14 - 25 is the summation. The event begins in Chapter 41.
I believe most of the land (3) was taken in the middle 20th century. We are at the sell-ourselves stage (4).
Know that I am an unwilling convert to Christ. I am an aerospace engineer - boring & dry. Hard evidence forced me to convert to serving Jesus.
I believe the USSR's abandonment of its people in the late 20th century will happen here in the US. I believe it is already happening. Porn is sold by huge corporations like AT&T, ComCast, Cingular, Verizon, etc. Legal addictive drugs ...sold by the tons and thousands of tons (beer, wine, caffiene in super concentrate form). Our Goverment does not even flinch at allowing this. It is not "for and by the people". It is for and by "the accruel of wealth" by a few.
Don't panic. I read the end of the story. It turns out well.

Has anyone ever gotten any of his emergency updates? Everytime I hear him on a show he plugs his newest DVD and I'm curious how much more information they have. I wouldn't want to pay for a DVD of him repeating the same stuff over and over again from the interviews.

One interesting thing about the latest LW on Alex Jones interview is that Alex says Lindsey was told he might ought to leave the country? But Williams does not seem to be advocating that. Also, with what they are saying about the rest of the world, I wonder if anywhere is safe.

Ok so the guy was right about the oil price rising and falling like it did...is that it? because that paper is pure fear mongering..im not saying its false or true,but if it is true then most of the world is going down the crapper with America aswell.I just cant see how such devastation could happen in such a short period of time,hell ive talked to alot of people in the uk here that haven't changed their lifestyles one bit and everything is A-okay,they are still using their credit cards,taking out loans etc etc and these are by no means rich people. I just cant see such a utter collapse of the USA by the end of 2009.

[edit on 27-2-2009 by Solomons]

Originally posted by AmethystSD
I wonder if anywhere is safe.

in 2010 the gold based money called 'Khaleeji' will be the solid asset based money used in the Gulf States, including Saudi...


both Russia & China are entering resources trades agreements and
long term treaties with a combination of a limited ammount of currency
combined with resource exchanges...


the three 'blocs' China, Russia, GCC (the middle east Arab countries)
will trade without the need of USD or petro-dollars


the preacher's prophetic/visionary futurescape may indeed have the dollar
nosediving... but thats only [half-the-story...

he should be explaining the replacement of the current reign of the USA economic-trade-treaty hegemony,
by the above group (as yet unnamed) economic-resource Bloc of nations, incl. Russia/China/Gulf Cooperation among themselves, & the EU and India
before the 2010 debut of gold backed Khaleeji a the new int'l money standard



thanks,

reply to post by Solomons


I dont mean to pick on you, but I am going to. it isnt just you but alot of people use the, "oh its only fear mongering" argument. You know what, these are scary scary times, and there are many things to be fearful of. I saw it with predictions of the stock market imploding a couple years ago, about us going into severe recession/depression, their argument was, "oh it is just fear mongering."
It can happen cause that is what has been designed, I would take his warnings and be proactive about surviving this sh!t storm that is heading our way.