Joseph's Birthright: Great Britain and U.S.A.

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


Source: The Book of Revelation Unveiled- The 'Time of Jacob's Trouble'.

The 'Time of Jacob's Trouble'
Shortly after the return of Christ, all of the descendants of ancient Israel—including the descendants of the so-called lost 10 tribes—will again gather and resettle in Palestine. Jerusalem will once more be the capital of the restored 12 tribes of Israel, as well as the capital of the world.

This reunion of all 12 tribes is described in some detail in Ezekiel 37:15-28. God also explained it to the prophet Jeremiah: "For behold, the days are coming … that I will bring back from captivity My people Israel and Judah … And I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it" (Jeremiah 30:3).

God also indicated to -Jeremiah that, while He would allow the future descendants of the ancient kingdoms of Israel and Judah to fall into captivity, He would also rescue some of them from it.

He calls this end-time catastrophe—especially on the descendants of ancient Israel's northern kingdom, now known only as the lost 10 tribes—the time of Jacob's trouble: "Alas! For that day is great, so that none is like it; and it is the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it" (Jeremiah 30:7).

God revealed to Daniel that such a time of trouble would occur at the time of the end: "At that time Michael shall stand up, the great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation, even to that time" (Daniel 12:1).

This and other prophecies indicate that Satan's wrath during the last days will be directed not only toward faithful Christians but also toward the ethnic descendants of all of Israel—the Jews as well as the descendants of the lost 10 tribes whose identity Satan has never forgotten.

It will be especially directed toward the United States, Britain, Canada and the other British-descended peoples who are the modern-day descendants of Joseph's sons Ephraim and Manasseh.

Notice the reassurances God gives to all of the beleaguered people of Israel in the last days:

"'So then, the days are coming,' declares the LORD, 'when people will no longer say, 'As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,' but they will say, 'As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the descendants of Israel up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.' Then they will live in their own land'" (Jeremiah 23:7-8, NIV).

"'Therefore do not fear, O My servant Jacob,' says the LORD, 'nor be dismayed, O Israel; for behold, I will save you from afar, and your seed from the land of their captivity. Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet, and no one shall make him afraid'" (Jeremiah 30:10).

"See, I will bring them from the land of the north and gather them from the ends of the earth. Among them will be the blind and the lame, expectant mothers and women in labor; a great throng will return. They will come with weeping; they will pray as I bring them back … I will lead them … because I am Israel's father, and Ephraim is my -firstborn son'" (Jeremiah 31:8-9, NIV).

"On that day you will not be put to shame for all the wrongs you have done to me … But I will leave within you the meek and humble, who trust in the name of the LORD. The remnant of Israel will do no wrong; they will speak no lies, nor will deceit be found in their mouths. They will eat and lie down and no one will make them afraid" (Zephaniah 3:11-13, NIV).

Once Christ rescues the ethnic descendants of ancient Israel from this "time of Jacob's trouble" in the last days, He will use them to fulfill the role their forefathers agreed to carry out in the time of Moses. He will make them the world's model people, a nation of teachers, a kingdom of priests (Exodus 19:6; compare Deuteronomy 4:5-8; Zechariah 8:23).

It's basically the "Great Tribulation" for the decendants of all 12 tribes of Israel which includes the United States, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, South Africa and a great deal of other english speaking countries. Of course all will feel the wrath of God and Satan in the time of the Great Tribulation but it will be especially hard on the lost tribes of Israel along with the Jewish nation of Israel we see today due to our turning away from God as a nation. Just look at the USA today. Our government is corrupt, crime runs rampant, kids disrespect their parents, our powerful status in this world is diminishing rapidly. God's blessings have been taken away from our nation as a whole though He hasn't forgot about His true faithful followers... those who would most-likely be saved from this time of trouble, or endure this time of trouble to the end.

Thanks for the answer. It is enlightening.

My only issue: how does one go about finding out if one is of lost 10 tribe descent?

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


The only defined tribes are those of Joseph and his sons, Manasseh and Ephraim due to their specific prophecies. A nation and multitude of nations. The other ten tribes can be tagged throughout western Europe but to identify a specific tribe outside of Manasseh and Ephraim is next to impossible. Greece is believed to be of the tribe of Dan but that's just heresey too.

My first instinct is that I am part of the lost tribes . . . but I dunno.

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


Where are you from? If you are a USA citizen, British citizen, Canadian, Australian, or any other english speaking country, you are part of the lost tribe of Joseph... one of his subtribes. If you are American, you're of the tribe of Manasseh. If you're from Britain or any former or current territory or commonwealth of Britain, you're from the tribe of Ephraim.

reply to post by Locoman8


But should it not go back through ancestry?

What is the rule regarding that?

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


The birthright goes upon any inhabitant... or legal citizen of the modern descendants of the Lost Tribes. If you wanna get technical, we are all descended from Adam, Noah, and Abraham so we have the blood of God's chosen flowing through us.... even if it's just a fragment.

reply to post by Locoman8


Because Great Britain and the USA have never controlled the known world at that time. You'll also notice Daniel didn't mention France, who with the help of Napoleon conquered much of the world. Daniel only speaks of the "world" controlling empires. The last to basically control all of the know world at the time of their power was Rome. Since Rome there hasn't been a nation or empire that has controlled everything, the last in mankind's history who will do this will be the 10 nation NWO.


[edit on 18-3-2010 by NOTurTypical]

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Locoman8

 

Because Great Britain and the USA have never controlled the known world at that time. You'll also notice Daniel didn't mention France, who with the help of Napoleon conquered much of the world. Daniel only speaks of the "world" controlling empires. The last to basically control all of the know world at the time of their power was Rome. Since Rome there hasn't been a nation or empire that has controlled everything, the last in mankind's history who will do this will be the 10 nation NWO.


[edit on 18-3-2010 by NOTurTypical]

Rome didn't cover half of what the British Empire and commonwealth controlled. Just because the known world got bigger didn't mean the entire planet had to be controlled. Great Britain was the world's leading superpower in the 1800s and 1900s. Control went to the USA after WW2 due to Britain being bankrupt. And just so you know, Naepolian may have been from France but he was given power by the pope and his rule was the 5th revival of the Holy Roman Empire. Hitler and Mussolini was the 6th revival and the EU is the 7th and final revival.

reply to post by Locoman8
What i stated is still accurate, Britain nor the US have controlled the known world at their time.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


None of what I said in my thread speaks of the complete control of the known world. It is about the prophecy of One Great Nation and a Multitude of Nations and how the British Empire fits the "Multitude of Nations" and the USA fits the "One Great Nation". I don't get your point.

reply to post by Locoman8

because my point was about Daniel's and King Nebechanezzer's visions, they all had to deal with the nations that would rise to control the known world at their times. yes, USA and GB were powerful, but neither controlled the known world at the time of their greatness. The Brits didn't even own France, or Russia, their neighbors. The same cannot be said for the nations in the visions, at their heights of power they controlled everything known at the time.

I'm not claiming the US or GB didn't have great power, just saying that they are not on the same scale as the Babylonians, Medes/Persians, Greeks, Romans.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


But this "prophecy" of Joseph's birthright has nothing to do with Daniel's vision of the 4 succeeding empires in his dream. Genesis 48 and 49 in reference to Ephraim, Manasseh, and Joseph are the root of what my thread are about. A single great nation and a great "multitude of nations". I'm not trying to be rude but your comments have nothing to do with the subject at hand and seem like a pointless way of opposition to my "British-Isralism" theory.

reply to post by Locoman8
Then I apologize Sir, that's my mistake and I'm sorry. You're correct, I mistakenly assumed it was about Daniel's Beasts vision.

Carry on Sir.

Have you ever asked yourself where the United States and Great Britain are in the bible? Have you ever wondered if the two greatest powers after the fall of the Holy Roman Empire are talked about in the pages of prophecy?

The authors of the books of the Bible, while well-travelled, didn't have knowledge of such places (well, the Americas)...so it's no surprise they aren't mentioned. Britain would have been considered well towards the edge of their known world, so again, not too surprising they didn't write of it.

Not like they could hop a plane...travel then was largely on foot, or by mount or sea, and what we would consider a road trip, was to them an arduous journey

reply to post by Locoman8


There was an interesting "Mystery Quest" on the History Channel that dealt with Atlantis possibly being where the Bimini Road is. The testing showed the coral to be around 3000 years old and an old anchor used in the Mediterranean was found in the area that also dated around the same time frame.

It is possible there was a sea trade route from the Mediterranean to the Americas at the time of the Bible.

Also, it is suspected the Knights Templar also knew about the existence of the Americas.

Interesting thread.

reply to post by Gazrok


I'm refering to prophecy of America and Britain. Obviously, America was not known to the powers of the world at that time.

reply to post by kidflash2008


I've always been intrigued by Atlantis and weather it exists or not.
Interesting theory. Thanks for contributing.

reply to post by Locoman8


While they did not find any evidence of Atlantis, I thought the more interesting finds was evidence that people from the Mediterranean Sea area had visited the Americas thousands of years ago. It suggests a possible sea trade route, which would mean the people from the Biblical Times knew of the Americas.

Could Jesus, Joseph and Mary Magdalene have known about the existence of America? I think that is a big possibility, and the Book of Mormon tells of Jesus visiting America 2000 years ago.

reply to post by kidflash2008


That's interesting but I can't trust a source from a church that doesn't even follow the biblical standards of the Old and New Testaments. I'm refering to the celebration of pagan holidays like Christmas and Easter; the belief that you float off to heaven or fall to hell when you die (read John 3:13/Revelation 21:8); the belief that your body and spirit separate from each other upon death when the bible teaches that your body transfigures/transforms into spirit upon the 1st resurrection....

Square those issues away and maybe I'll take the LDS seriously. No offence to your beliefs (if that's your belief), but I can't take the book of Mormon seriously as an honest part of the bible when the followers of that religion can't get the rest of the bible straight. God bless you and thanks for your insight.