Cop Shoots Apparently Helpless Man In The Back (Update: Officer quits to avoid IA questions)

reply to post by Alpha_Magnum


I abhore the fact the Cop shot this guy in the back face down. (You know I am the first one who posted it here)

But come on wake up that means anyone thats wants to now can go start a freaking riot?

Btw you better stop personally insulting people...I've already reported you.
Just because we don't agree doesn't give you the right to insult/question my loyalty to the Country.

Edit:
You know Oscar Grants mom asked to let the wheels of justice work. Shes lost the most here maybe someone should listen to her.

[edit on 14-1-2009 by ATruGod]

[edit on 14-1-2009 by ATruGod]

So now you are going to "REPORT" me and also "TELL ME WHAT TO DO"

If you don't believe the people have the right to protest as you clearly stated then you are in fact a TRAITOR to the USA. I hold the Constitution up and you tear it down. On my part that is not a personal attack or any sort of ad hominem, it is my opinion based on what you stated. Let us look at your words...

Tonights protest will end at the DA's office and the group is going to be bigger. But ultimately this will show the protesters true colors, I mean the guy has been arrested now which was what they were protesting about (last time). What will be thier excuse this time?

Here you are pointing out that the protesters have some other purpose. That was in fact your opinion and speaks to the reality that your statement is racially motivated or you back the police. This is not the only time that police have gone beyond the letter of the law and at this point protests should be encouraged as a civic responsibility. You speak to the opposition of that civic responsibility with force. They after all don't need an excuse but you wonder what that will be.

Stop betraying the people of your nation.

[edit on 14-1-2009 by Alpha_Magnum]

ugg double dupe wth

[edit on 14-1-2009 by ATruGod]

*Sigh*

I explained in the next post which you of course didn't post

Originally posted by ATruGod
reply to post by Alpha_Magnum

 

Do you realize I was talking about the reason they were going to use in thier violence. As in last time they were violent because they wanted the guy arrested, now what will thier excuse be for being violent.

And for the record can you show me a video of where they were peaceably assembling (and not rioting)?

Come on calling me a Traitor? Pfft

[edit on 14-1-2009 by ATruGod]

You do know the difference between protest and riot right? What were those people doing? RIOTING!!

Again on the personal attacks

2) Behavior: You will not behave in an abusive and/or hateful manner, and will not harass, threaten, nor attack anyone.

Courtesy Is Mandatory

Upto this point I havent insulted you (like I'm predispositioned to do) so the least you could do is likewise.

[edit on 14-1-2009 by ATruGod]

dupe

[edit on 14-1-2009 by ATruGod]

reply to post by ATruGod


Riots are the result of the government not addressing the grievances of the Citizens.

Now in my opinion you are a traitor to the Constitution and the USA. That is not an ad hominem (personal attack). It happens to be my opinion of you based on what you wrote. At best you can say that it is an accusation on my part and you can do with it as you please. If you choose to accept it or reject it that is your prerogative. I believe that you by stating...

the protesters true colors

was a racial attack!

Originally posted by Alpha_Magnum
reply to post by ATruGod

 

Riots are the result of the government not addressing the grievances of the Citizens.

Now in my opinion you are a traitor to the Constitution and the USA. That is not an ad hominem (personal attack). It happens to be my opinion of you based on what you wrote. At best you can say that it is an accusation on my part and you can do with it as you please. If you choose to accept it or reject it that is your prerogative. I believe that you by stating...

the protesters true colors

was a racial attack!

Ok fine you've made your opinion...but as we all know opinions are like rectums, everybodies got one and the all stink. So I'll take it since you can't do anything but use your opinion to insult me you get off on this sort of thing.

As for the racial attack...If "Violent Thugs" is a race then by all means I'm guilty otherwise your fishing in the shallow end there.

Tell us what neighborhood you live in so we can get a group of people to come tear your neighborhood up simply beacuse they arent happy with whats going on in the world.

By all means we want to show our Patriotism!!

[edit on 14-1-2009 by ATruGod]

reply to post by ATruGod


Your making an insinuation when you state "showing their true colors"

The sworn to uphold the law police officer murdered someone in the open then citizens get upset and protest. @ some point they may decide to revolt. Had the police man kept his pistol in the holster this murder would not have happened. Had the police arrested the shooter on the spot as they would have done to any non police the citizens might not have protested at all.

Protest is in fact the most fundamentally important civic responsibility when addressing issues like abuse of power like this. Yes, ABUSE OF POWER is what I said. The handcuffed man with no power had the one thing most important to him taken away by another man with DEADLY FORCE being his LIFE.

This is a nightmare to the people since from this we learn to never trust the police. The police are loosing all credibility just by no longer simply preserving the peace. Now they turn to violence and MURDER and that is not good for the Citizenry.

To speak of "True Colors" in this way give the message that those that would protest or even fight against the police for murdering the very people they are sworn to protect are in the wrong. It can also imply like the tag, "THOSE PEOPLE" and that is possibly a racial slur. No matter how it is said it is offensive.

Property means little when the government or agents of the government cold bloodedly gun down the citizenry. Should the citizens at any time accept acts like this as the norm or tuff luck then matters will only grow worse. Acts like this caused the settlers to REVOLT and one of those first open revolts against the British was the Tea Party. It is not unreasonable to expect that if a cop violates the law that he would be hauled off even faster than you or I.

It is a growing tyranny that demonizes the citizens who hold their government accountable or protest demoralizing wars.

reply to post by Alpha_Magnum

Your making an insinuation when you state "showing their true colors"

In an effort to deny ignorance, do you even know what that SAYING means? It has NOTHING to do with ones skin color; therefore, saying it is not racist.

Good Lord.


And if you think rioting and destroying the property of INNOCENT people is OK, then you truly have a twisted sense of the word justice.

Protesting and rioting are not even on the same level.

The idiots in question here are just that...IDIOTS. They dont even know how to maturly protest.

[edit on 1/14/2009 by greeneyedleo]

Hey folks, I'm not the most eloquent poster and my opinions rile some people but turning on one-another will not accomplish anything good.
please remember, united we stand divided we fall. Let the comments roll off your backs, history shows that people first turn on each other before they finally figure it out and unite against their real enemy. In my "opinion" pacifists/peaceful protesting will accomplish nothing and niether will attacking other citizens or their property. No one yet has the guts to attack the perps here, so we will suffer more abuses until we can no longer live under the jack boots.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
The idiots in question here are just that...IDIOTS. They dont even know how to maturly protest.

The best way to begin a discussion on maturity or any of the related words would be to spell it correctly. After we figure that part out then you can explain how "they" go about conducting a protest maturely? In your minds eye I suppose you envision rules of engagement? A landscape where the Citizens are unarmed and at the mercy of the residing champions of justice known as the police state.

In your world it is fine for the police to send agent provocateurs into the protesters ranks to throw the first rocks or burn the first garbage can. In your opinion protesters account for nothing since the law is enforced on them but not on the police. That is a direct attack on our civil liberties.

Naturally property or things are of no importance when our civil liberties are up for grabs. Our houses, stores and towns mean nothing if people fear the government. The government must fear the people for things to work Constitutionally for when we fear them is when tyranny starts. Traitors and cowards are the ones that fail to cease the moment and instruct everyone to take it easy and remain calm.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. ~~ Thomas Jefferson principal author of the Declaration of Independence and 3rd US President

reply to post by Alpha_Magnum


Ok enough grandstanding. Back on topic.

The guy is in jail, can you tell me exactly what need there will be for violent protests tonight? Could you also maybe show a modicum of restraint and try not insulting us personally in your response.

There is no need for further protests.

But this is the bay area. You're a stones throw from the peoples republic of Berkley. You still got tons of people left over from the sixties who want nothing more than to stick it to the man.

In reality, they will most likely damage cars and businesses that below to African Americans who had nothing to do with this crime.

But protesters don't use logic in the bay area.

They could hold a candle light vigil to protest the violence in the area but it's so much more fun to set things on fire. ''

[edit on 14-1-2009 by Wildbob77]

Originally posted by racegunz
Hey folks, I'm not the most eloquent poster and my opinions rile some people but turning on one-another will not accomplish anything good.
please remember, united we stand divided we fall. Let the comments roll off your backs, history shows that people first turn on each other before they finally figure it out and unite against their real enemy. In my "opinion" pacifists/peaceful protesting will accomplish nothing and niether will attacking other citizens or their property. No one yet has the guts to attack the perps here, so we will suffer more abuses until we can no longer live under the jack boots.

All well and good however in any group you never have to look too hard to see the deceit and the agent provocateurs.

Samuel and John Adams, Josiah Quincy, and John Hancock led an opposing faction against Britain and the tea tax. They were intent on barring any further legislation being imposed on the colonies by the British, and managed to stir fellow radicals to their cause.

The situation stewed until December 16, 1773, when a group of patriots disguised themselves as Mohawk Indians and crept from the South Meeting House intent on radical action. They headed to the three ships docked at Griffin’s Wharf, a large group of spectators trailing behind them, and proceeded to cut open 342 chests of tea, dumping the entire contents into the ocean. The entire undertaking was rather silent, with no hue or cry breaking the air until one man, Charles O’Connor, was spied loading his greatcoat with tea. He was immediately seized, his smuggled cargo discarded, and threatened with death if he revealed the identity of any of the culprits. The rest of the evening passed uneventfully, and the “Mohawks” proceeded home quietly when it was over.

All that over a tea tax but when the police start committing cold blooded killings we need to be told that protest is for mature people. Be calm, take it easy, don't do anything. Well what can ya do these things happen. BS
Some of these people posting are the cops and or their agent provocateurs. Yuck

reply to post by Wildbob77


Exactly.

I'm actually watching it on the News live and the group just started to move.

For the record I'll reiterate what I said in a post yesterday:

I hope the protests are peaceful.

Psst Alpha_Magnum I guess you missed that post of mine huh?

Edit:
OMG I just saw the cops lawyer say he would be exonerated.

[edit on 14-1-2009 by ATruGod]

reply to post by Alpha_Magnum


Ah. An attack on a spelling error. Wow. Ok then

And I love your ridiuclous "in your world" comments. You dont know me.

[edit on 1/14/2009 by greeneyedleo]

reply to post by Alpha_Magnum

Some of these people posting are the cops and or their agent provocateurs. Yuck

Agreed, but arguing with them solves nothing, unless you just like the banter back and forth.

In response to others on why still protest, because it will happen again death by cop, unjustified ,unwarranted, it will continue it will grow. The law was made for the people not the people for the law, we have to assert our selves before it takes a full out revolution, if it's not too late already.

Originally posted by ATruGod
reply to post by Alpha_Magnum

 

Ok enough grandstanding. Back on topic.

The guy is in jail, can you tell me exactly what need there will be for violent protests tonight? Could you also maybe show a modicum of restraint and try not insulting us personally in your response.

You must be a cop or something like that by the way you issue commands to me. Here you typed, "Ok enough grandstanding. Back on topic." like you expect me to step to your fetch. The topic is that a Mad Dog murdering peace officer murdered someone on New Years by shooting him in the back.

You want it to go away and call the arrest, "Justice served!" Guess what, nothing has changed except a person is stone dead. The idea with public outcry is that the government is reminded who pays the bills and that it is no longer enough to tell us cops are going to receive sensitivity training at our expense.

I remember that numerous "beatings by cop" in California have always led to the standard governmental lip service.

I can't imagine why people here don't understand why these people are protesting AND rioting!

Like I said way back in the thread. A message is GOING to be sent. You can count on it. Whether that message be from the cops saying: "This cop stepped outside of his bounds and commited capital murder and will be justly punished with his life either spent in prison, or in an electric chair." Or a message from the people who are sick of the oppression saying: "You want to try and cover this up? Well, it is the straw that broke the camels back. We are now going to raize your buildings to the ground."

Like it or not folks, this is the American way. This is, in fact, how this nation was founded.

I would be rioting with them, if I were there. And it is not enough that he has FINALLY been arrested. He should have been arrested on the spot! The simple fact of the matter is that they tried to cover it up. It makes one wonder how often this sort of thing IS covered up.

You can only take being kicked in the face so long before you decide to stand up and do something about it. Perhaps this will be the start of it?

Who knows? But a patriot can hope.

[edit on 14-1-2009 by Jay-in-AR]

reply to post by Alpha_Magnum


First off you have no idea how retarded you look refering to me as a LEO or agent thereof. All you have to do is read some of my posts especially in this thread.

You also show your ignorance in general by defending violent actions against innocent people who had nothing to do with the murder (that person is now in jail for murder...go figure) but by your reconning nothing short of what Anarchy will set this situation straight?

As for "stepping to my fecth" you have railroaded this thread, I'm just trying to steer it back to the topic.

Btw you still havent told us what area you live in so we can come be partiotic in your neighborhood.

[edit on 14-1-2009 by ATruGod]