Cop Shoots Apparently Helpless Man In The Back (Update: Officer quits to avoid IA questions)

reply to post by blupblup


I know. But a police officer is a citizen too and when they do wrong no matter what the case they need to be arrested and punished just like the rest of us. I highly doubt it too. It truly is a shame.

Originally posted by Solarskye
I know. But a police officer is a citizen too and when they do wrong no matter what the case they need to be arrested and punished just like the rest of us.

Couldn't agree more

I highly doubt it too. It truly is a shame.

Just the way it is unfortunately....
People in power (no matter how small) seem to have a slight advantage.

This is even more ridiculous than the shooting of Jean Charles De Menez(or however ya spell his name) a guy who was shot in the head seven times by undercover firearms officers at Stockwell Tube station in london. He was no threat to anyone around him, but due to a miscomunication he was chased down and shot, because it was feared that he was a terrorist.
This is more ridiculous because if those cops were even nearly well trained enough , Grant would have been searched by the time the gun got drawn. He wasnt suspected of terrorism, he had not been ID'd as a wanted man, and yet here he is getting filled full of lead.
You shouldnt be allowed to carry a gun if you are capable of making mistakes like this . Hell you shouldnt be allowed out of your HOUSE if you are that much of a f--k up that you can shoot a man ACCIDENTALY ! Its not even as if there was a fire fight happening! A stray bullet is one thing, but if the offending officer really had that much FLUFF between his ears as to draw the wrong weapon in a situation which was NOT immediately deadly to him or his collegues, then he should never have been given a damned badge.

Okay, what is really troublesome to me about this is that this guy has STILL NOT EVEN BEEN CHARGED OR TAKEN INTO CUSTODY!

Accident or not, this guy SHOT A MAN IN THE BACK AND KILLED HIM!

What the hell is going on here?!? Where is the justice? If ANY person on the street did this, accident or not, they would be sitting in jail right now!

YouTube video fuels US riots over killing of Oscar Grant

The New Year's Day death of 22-year-old Oscar Grant in Oakland, California, led to violent protests in the area after several videos of the incident on a train station platform were uploaded onto the website. One clearly shows the shooting.

The officer, who has resigned from the force, has not been charged with any wrongdoing. Some experts have questioned whether he fired his gun deliberately or mistakenly believed he was using his stun gun instead.

Full Article:

www.timesonline.co.uk...

YouTube video fuels US riots over killing of Oscar Grant

Does anyone see what that says? It insinuated that YOUTUBE caused a RIOT! Do you follow along with that? Mike Harvey in San Francisco writes on Times Online that YOUTUBE in his world view is culpable in starting a RIOT.

This is all going down people. Like it or not things have gotten to a point where the average American has had it with being muted and disrespected. Here they even question if we (citizens) should even see videos at all or make up our minds at all. The government says, "Spread your legs we are coming in!" they have news minions spread the word.

It will not be long and the USA will be a bloodbath from ocean to ocean, boarder to boarder. Imagine that the police essentially now dress in black or a blue that is so dark that you mistake it for black. Like a bunch of Ninjas that come out of the shadows and arrest you or kill you or mess you up so bad that you wish they killed you.

I'm sure that when the police ultimately fail (as the localities make cuts or go bankrupt) the military will come. I hope that is not the case but to me it really looks that way and I'm not alone in that view!


[edit on 9-1-2009 by Alpha_Magnum]

Here's the problem with the riots, it's being reported that the majority of the 105 people arrested (the first night) arent even from the area and some are "professional protestors". The second night there was only a total of about 50 protestors.
Oscar Grants mom came out and publicly pleaded for calm and to let the system take its course. She has said none of Oscars Friends or Family are involved in the Violence and are troubled by it as thats not what Oscar would want.

reply to post by taserman



Nowhere in those videos can you hear anyone saying "death to pigs" or making any threats that are audible, nor did the victim run at the cops and get tackled...he was already subdued and handcuffed and SHOT IN THE BACK!

there is no excuse...you dont mistake a taser for a gun and if you can make such a mistake, you shouldnt be allowed to carry a gun or even a taser for that matter..

Pretty soon, the people wont just watch anymore...they will shoot back.

whoever made the "darwin" comment is probably a cop.

..confusing your weapon for a taser....that will be his defense.
what is a society suppose to do when they must look at the police with a suspicious eye, afraid for thier own saftey when stopped by the pole-leez. all the stupidity, racisim, bigotry,egotistical mindset, 'im the man' ect ect is very present in the police force..its like a microcosim of the worst and best society has to offer.
what is a society to do when the police can not be trusted, when the courts can not be trusted, when the politicians can not be trusted when business can not be trusted??? what if all those poeple watching decided to act right then and there?!? america is a society of 'waiters', hope, ideals that only have possible power in the future with no basis in reality. would they have saved a life or just taken more?
this incident is another example of a rising 'police state' where cops can do what they want,and walk away even when it is wrong .....what will his punishment be?!? what ever it is, it will be much different than if he was not the pole-leez.

humanity has been pushed into taking a wrong turn in our evolution

Cops

Are

Goofy

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


I'm guessing that's why he resigned. His lawyer, or the police department's lawyer probably told him if he resigned it would make it more difficult for him to be prosecuted for something that happened on the job (particular by IA) if he's not technically "on the job" anymore. like I said, just guessing, but it would make sense.

Anybody remember that story about the cops issuing a no-knock search warrant on the wrong house not too long ago?

Guy shoots a cop thinking that he is a burglar, cop dies....

And now that man is on death-row!

Where is the equality in the eyes of the law?!!! This is outrageous! This man hasn't even been questioned yet!

Even if you accept the cops defense at face value, both of these instances are equal in the fact that they were honest mistakes. However, if it is one of the useless eaters that makes the mistake, we'll kill him...
If it is a cop, no biggie. Hey man, you should probably resign and go and spend some time with your newborn baby... Don't worry about the reporters or anything else, we'll protect you.

I'm just about fighting mad over this crap!

reply to post by Jay-in-AR


How right you are. Actually the Police Union he belonged(s) to said that they would represent him still and were behind him 100%.

They protect thier own.

reply to post by ATruGod


Each and every person who steps forward in support of that cop needs to be stripped of his badge!

This is an outrage!

Originally posted by Shakesbeer
reply to post by DimensionalDetective

 

I'm guessing that's why he resigned. His lawyer, or the police department's lawyer probably told him if he resigned it would make it more difficult for him to be prosecuted for something that happened on the job (particular by IA) if he's not technically "on the job" anymore. like I said, just guessing, but it would make sense.

I don't understand that logic at all. I would think that if he quit his job it would make it easier to prosecute him, not harder. I could be wrong, I don't know how it would all work, but thats just the way it seems to me.

reply to post by Jay-in-AR


I couldn't have said it better myself! I'm so freakin' tired of the cops being able to do whatever the hell they want to with no consequences or repercussions! Cops see ALL civilians as potential suspects so I have a **** the police mentality (as far as street patrolling officers) because they have done nothing, in my personal experience, to earn my trust or respect.

Furthermore, I've never understood why cops, by default, receive special treatment from the law. And I'm COMPLETELY OUTRAGED that this MURDERER hasn't been charged with AT LEAST first-degree murder!

reply to post by a.m.e.


I just wish there was some damned equality!

I mean seriously, this is unacceptable! The cops can violate my rights by enacting a no-knock warrant, and when I shoot one of them, in accordance with the law of the land, I am in the wrong because I mistook him for a burglar... WTF! What is wrong with this picture?!

People NEED to be protesting!
They are asking for people to be calm! Of course they are! Why wouldn't they. They KNOW people have a REASON to be outraged over this mess!

And I agree with DD on his strategy of quitting the force to avoid the Internal Affairs interrogation!
The IA guys would inevitably charge him with manslaughter as he was obviously neglectful of his duty AND THE LAW in this action that resulted in the death of an innocent man.
By quitting, he is taking his chances with the victim's lawyer. Better him than people who are well versed in police statutes like the IA. Couple this with the fact that the PD has promised to support him and what you have is a lawyer arguing the points that the PD will rationalize away. However, if he had stood up to the questioning, he would have been charged on the spot and you would then have IA agents testifying against him.

This way, those IA agents won't be heard in the court room. That is unless the lawyer brings some IA agents in as expert witnesses... I hope he does. If he doesn't, he won't be doing his client justice.
Also, he needs to bring in expert witnesses from places far removed from California.

[edit on 9-1-2009 by Jay-in-AR]

Another reason why guns are bad um'k.

reply to post by MrWendal


How so? He didn't shoot the guy as a civilian, which he technically is now. As a cop it's not illegal to shoot someone(necessarily, or atleast is a bit more relaxed relative to a civilian), especially if it's not proved to be intentional yet...do you see how it can get weird? So what are they going to charge the civilian with right now?

Lawyer-ball, it's a twisted little game of semantics

Originally posted by tigermoff
Another reason why guns are bad um'k.

Guess what? They're not going anywhere, just like all other weapons which have evolved over time. No matter what the stats say, no matter who does the commercials.movies, they're here now; get over it. Blind bias doesn't add to a conversation or solution, but thank you for sharing your opinion...


[edit on 9-1-2009 by Shakesbeer]

Originally posted by tigermoff
Another reason why guns are bad um'k.

Yes, typical California liberal BS(And I'm a liberal).

Blame the gun instead of the criminal. How typical.