Cop Shoots Apparently Helpless Man In The Back (Update: Officer quits to avoid IA questions)

reply to post by ALLis0NE


To actually believe that this world is not full of corrupt, greedy and racist individuals who would kill their own grandmother if it served their own purpose is DEFINATELY "the most unrealistic, and illogical thoughts anyone could have."

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[edit on 8/1/2009 by Kryties]

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[edit on 8-1-2009 by Gemwolf]

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Unless of course he can bring up some evidence that backs his claim that I'm the reason the police lied which is still on topic somehow I know I'd love to hear about all the power that people like me have...


[edit on 8-1-2009 by Shakesbeer]

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[edit on 8-1-2009 by Gemwolf]

Originally posted by Shakesbeer
Seriously though, people really should pay attention to the fact the police lied about not having video when they obviously did.

I'm sorry, can you show me your resources?

Where exactly is the evidence that the police lied?

Originally posted by FredT
Just for accuracies sake. The alleged shooting (I say alleged because there has yet to be an investigation) was done by a member of the BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) police and is not affiliated with the SF PD.

"The alleged shooting " No, I'm pretty sure that you will see a policeman upholster a gun stand up and then fatally shoot a restrained person in the back! What are you talking about? Do you think you are in some US court TV drama? Just say what you see man and stop tiring to be politically correct for goodness sake!

reply to post by ALLis0NE


Where is your evidence that suggests the police man ACCIDENTLY removed his gun, ACCIDENTLY aimed it at a prone and defenceless man and ACCIDENTLY shot him?

You're the one who's waving the accident flag around.

I see is a policeman commiting an execution.

[edit on 8-1-2009 by mr-lizard]

Regardless of if this was an accident, Involuntary Manslaughter, or on purpose, Murder or Manslaughter depending on the state of the officers mind during the incident, this was a criminal act and jail time is in order...

Does anyone know what model of taser the officer had on him? A quick look at the taser itself would tell us how easy it would be to mix it up with a real gun... Though I must say to mistake a real gun with a taser is a testament to guys training...

The cop should be investigated. Funny how he quit so that IA would not question him. Why? Maybe he has other things that could come out to light.

Originally posted by ALLis0NE
To actually think an officer would waste his life and career by shooting someone in the middle of a train station, on purpose, is probably the most unrealistic, and illogical thoughts anyone could have.

[edit on 8-1-2009 by ALLis0NE]

Your laughter is premature and unwarranted because your statement on reality and logic prove absolutely nothing but a lot of naivety. You could say that believing an officer would shoot a man among witnesses is as illogical as thinking a police officer would risk his career by having his friend help him accost an innocent man into a bathroom and sodomize him with a nightstick.

Yet...

Abner Louima was the Haitian immigrant who was assaulted, brutalized and forcibly sodomized with a broken broomstick by New York City police officers after being arrested outside a Brooklyn nightclub in 1997. Wiki

Such a horrific and famous case you would think that no officer would risk their career doing something like this again right?

Wrong.
Here's the 2008 revisiting.

NYPD Officers Surrender in Sodomy Case, Appear In Court
1010wins.com

It happened.
This is reality...where have you been?

I think you present a good question though but what you have not considered or left out intentionally is the power of ego. Have you considered that he didn't think he would waste his life and career even if he did shoot the man?

What would be the story had there been no video?

I don't want to be so ignorant as to judge your grip on reality but I will say your posts seem indicative of one that is not familiar with the harsh tactics of inner city police that border on and cross over into blatant abuse that has included murder. It is a lot closer to reality than you know. Maybe the notion frightens you, as it should and upsets your sense of safety so in that case I can understand your mocking behavior.

What you should understand is that what is alleged in this video (the intentional murder of a civilian by an officer), is alleged to have happened in front of witnesses numerous times. You only get "statements" though, to which the officer(s) will refute. A simple search will show you various claims made by witnesses that seem to indicate that an officer has crossed the line.

Witnesses say shooting by officer wasn’t fair

On Feb. 12 Henderson police Officer Luke Morrison fatally shot 42-year-old Deshira Selimaj after she went to the scene where her husband had been pulled over on a traffic stop. An inquest is scheduled to determine whether the shooting was justified. Las Vegas Sun

Witness to slaying by LAPD officer disputes police account

A teenager who witnessed his friend being fatally shot by a Los Angeles motorcycle officer offered a dramatically different account of the encounter than police Friday, saying the man was killed while trying to surrender and wasn’t carrying anything in his hands. LATimes

Diallo Witness: Man Cried 'Gun!' But Police Shot Without Warning

A neighbor of Amadou Diallo's testified reluctantly for the defense today that she had heard someone say ''Gun!'' just before the four police officers accused of his murder began firing at him as he stood in the vestibule of his Bronx apartment building last February. NYTimes

Since this is new for you I won't even go international.

In most cases there is just no video evidence.
That alone does not make every case false.

Deny Ignorance.

- Lee

Originally posted by lee anoma
In most cases there is just no video evidence.
- Lee

Let me restate that:

To actually think an officer would waste his life and career by shooting someone in the middle of a train station, on purpose, in front of multiple video cameras, is probably the most unrealistic, and illogical thoughts anyone could have.

reply to post by ALLis0NE



"To actually think an officer would waste his life and career by shooting someone..."

Unfortunately, he Did shoot someone.

That is what matters.



[edit on 8-1-2009 by Exuberant1]

Ok you can all have your way...

We can remove all police from the world, because they might make a mistake.



[edit on 8-1-2009 by ALLis0NE]

Originally posted by ALLis0NE
Ok you can all have your way...

We can remove all police from the the world, because they might make a mistake.

That's a bit melodramatic.
How about just the bad ones?

People do bad things.
Police Officers are people.

It happens.

- Lee

Originally posted by Shakesbeer
[SNIP] They tried confiscating everyone's video there, so if none got out we would only know the official story. . .

Police can take off any video evidence of them commiting a crime because it has audio and "conversations are private". . . they can take it off you by force. Even if someone has been past cases they still use this as an excuse to get the video off you.

reply to post by zerbot565

2 points

1 - the vid only shows a PARTIAL representation of what went on - it does not show what was said - or what the suspect may / may not have been concealing

i raise this issue - as i have personal experience of being brought up on a charge because basically i kicked a alleged rioter in the head while he was being restrained - as only i could see that the guy attempting to cuff him had lost control of one arm and the rioter was reaching for a knife inside his jacket - i was eventually cleared when all facts emerged




2 WTF is resinging going to do [ by way of helping ] ??? surely the criminal investigation into the alleged unlawful death will still continue unabated , yes ? - and criminal investigations take precedence over internal / administrative investigations

i am aware that resigning to escape punishment / investigation does go on - but was under the impression that it ONLY worked when the alleged offence was ONLY a breach of contract / internal disiplinary codes etc etc - not a criminal offence like alleged homicide

I was very angry and disgusted when I first saw this video. I was ready to shout "F*ck da POlice!" Then I watched it about 30 times. Now I believe it to be an accident. Watch the shooters reaction. After the shot he puts his arms up, looks at his gun and raises his hands to his head. His colleagues are just as surprised. Whatever his foolish reasons, this cop did not shoot Grant in cold blood.

Yes he should be punished it is the price you pay for wearing the badge. If you can make a stupid mistake like reaching for your gun instead of you "non-lethal taser or whatever the case, then you are not fit to wear the uniform.

Originally posted by ALLis0NE

Originally posted by lee anoma
In most cases there is just no video evidence.
- Lee

Let me restate that:

To actually think an officer would waste his life and career by shooting someone in the middle of a train station, on purpose, in front of multiple video cameras, is probably the most unrealistic, and illogical thoughts anyone could have.

What about the officers who beat and raped and filmed a woman?

Were they thinking of their careers?

That event was on camera.... Now maybe your sense of realism may not be the same as anybody else, and maybe your logic is 'different'.... but the video shows a police man drawing his weapon, aiming it and pulling the trigger at a prone and defenceless man.

So far you have defended the police until you are white in the face, and i fear that you may be making a fool out of yourself.

Do me a favour, remove the blindfold and watch the video again.