Cop Shoots Apparently Helpless Man In The Back (Update: Officer quits to avoid IA questions)

reply to post by AndrewTB


He shot a guy who was on his stomach on the ground. Make no mistake about it, if someone broke into your house, and you shot the unarmed person in the back, you'd be headed to jail also.

reply to post by ALLis0NE


It is clearly not the same guy. If you'd watched both videos and read the entire story, you'd know that the fellow who was shot was sitting against the wall, to the left of the person that we can clearly see sitting in the picture you posted.

The be clear, there were 4 or five people sitting against the wall, in BOTH videos. There were three police officers standing in front of the group in the first video, which is where that still was taken from, and shows two men antagonizing the police, our victim was sitting BEHIND the police who were being antagonized and cooperating.

The second video is from a different angle, and shows our victim. Please remember both videos were shot AT THE SAME TIME. They are not two videos at different times, just two videos at different angles.

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[edit on 6-1-2009 by Gemwolf]

Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by AndrewTB

 

He shot a guy who was on his stomach on the ground. Make no mistake about it, if someone broke into your house, and you shot the unarmed person in the back, you'd be headed to jail also.

Actually, where I live if anyone breaks into my property (which is a threat to my life) I have every right to eliminate the threat, even if they run. But thats besides the point...

I think you are missing the big picture. Yes the guy shot him in the back. But the person that was shot was resisting arrest. It should have been a taser, not a pistol. Mistakes happen. Its pretty standard to use a tazer to be able to get cuffs on people.

Originally posted by zerbot565
excuse my french, but with kids behaving lika a zoo anything can happen,

Wow... you are blaming the victim????? The guy was face down, on the ground, being handcuffed, with 3 men on top of him, and THEN he was SHOT IN THE BACK!

And you blame the victim... you must have a LOT of hate.

all i see is arrogant nintendo kids giving the man a hard time.

Yep, as I said... a lot of hate. My son is one of those Nintendo kids, and he is the most obedient child I've ever seen.

ofcourse shooting the fellow might have been a bit over the line,

A bit? Really? A Bit? THE FELLOW IS DEAD!

but it put a smile on my face when the kids started shouting.

first they are kings of the concrete boasting and what not but when things acturly get real they act like the children that they are.

Wow... how old and decrepit are you? For all the hate you have for youngsters, you must really be upset about your situation.

Excellent post regardless

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[edit on 6-1-2009 by Gemwolf]

reply to post by AndrewTB


It should have been anything that doesn't kill him. What was it, 4 armed people versus 1 unarmed guy?

Anywhere else that is considered an execution.

Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by AndrewTB

 

It should have been anything that doesn't kill him. What was it, 4 armed people versus 1 unarmed guy?

Anywhere else that is considered an execution.

All because there are 4 people there doesn't mean squat. An adrenaline induced resistance can make it nearly impossible for one to be restrained. Women are very popular in the LEO scene in terms of being well known for putting up a good fight (in terms of resisting).

I think the biggest problem here is that people can't comprehend all the different factors that lead to escalating a situation, in this case using a taser on someone who is resisting arrest.

Hey everyone. Okay, I live right down the street from this man's family and I used to see him all of the time, but I did not personally know the victim. I've been following this story and am sickened by the defenses I'm hearing for the police.

What happened here was MURDER. Oscar was unarmed, cooperating and lying on his stomach with a knee on his head while he was shot. We have seen two videos of this, but there are MANY MORE taken with cell phones that have been confiscated by BART police as "evidence". There was also a bunch of videos in the BART station itself. I pray that those videos don't "accidentally" become misplaced. Still, we have at least one clear video showing an unprovoked shooting resulting in murder, as well as dozens of witnesses who seen what happened. There was no reason for Oscar to be tased, pepper sprayed, and especially not shot IN THE BACK.

What's worse is now the media is saying how none of the video footage is clear.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?

The man is own cooperating the entire time, even putting both hands up. He is being restrained by multiple cops and shot while handcuffed and lying face down.

I know first hand that this is how cops act when they respond to a crime or raid. I had my house raided a few years ago by Berkeley police (for graffiti, believe it or not), and had my entire family held at gunpoint with fully automatic rifles. I was fully cooperative, kept my hands up and in plain site and did what they said. The cop focused his weapon on me and ordered me to the ground and as soon as I got on one knee, he circled behind me and kicked me in the back and tackled me to the ground.

I heard another cop ask the guy conducting the raid if he could kill our dog, because he saw we had a "beware of dog" sign on our fence.

Cops can be real pricks. Especially in tense situations. Instead of remaining calm and in control, they get rage. I think that's exactly what happened here. The cop lost his temper. Oscar probably said something that sent the cop over the edge.

I hope this cop is charged with murder. He deserves it. Because Oscar has been cowardly murdered leaving his daughter to grow up with no father.

Time for a call to action. I don't know what to do. But we should some how demand that this cop not be left off the hook.

Here is the latest article from the local paper, stating how the cameras are not good enough evidence. (funny how camera's tend to be the ONLY good evidence in so many other cases)

www.insidebayarea.com...

This is a pretty good indictation of where this country is heading.

3rd World..

Both the behavior of the youths and the cops are down right scary.

He pulls him to the ground, there is a struggle, the victim calms down enough so one officer can hold him down and handcuff him. The officer then stands up, takes a second or two to draw his weapon, another second or two to aim, and CONSCIOUSLY fires one round into the this man's back. He then re-holsters the weapon and calmly goes back to work.

I have been in a stressful, life threatening situation before, in which i had to draw and fire my weapon. It was a Glock 19 with a 15 round magazine. I didn't realize it at the time, but when the police showed up, I noticed I had used all 15 bullets. People under stress RARELY fire just one bullet.

This officer had time to think about what he was doing. The other officer was getting ready to handcuff the victim just before the shot was fired. There was absolutely NO REASON to fire that weapon, even to wound or to warn. Even if he had just drawn the weapon as a deterrent, which is still a very bad idea, it is still manslaughter.

This man BETTER go to jail, or I will lose all faith in the final branch of government I thought I could still trust.

and why are officers necessary again?

reply to post by AndrewTB


I don't know what video you watched where someone was putting up a fight. You can see very easily in the second (further away video), that they clearly had him subdued.

I'm going to state this again because people seem to be over looking this. Cops practice with their side arm. They practice specifically for the event they have to draw and fire fast should someone attack them (which is completely justified and smart of course).

The cop in question is said to have been on the job for two years. That's not that long of time, but he's obviously not new to the job either. If he takes his job seriously at all, I'm sure he's practiced with his side arm, and has trained to instinctively draw it from it's location (or at least should have). So why then specifically when he is involved in subduing someone would he mess up?

He didn't really seem to flinch either, and seemed quite specific in his intention to grab what was in his holster on that right side...

I'm not a cop basher, I believe they are victims in this Fallacy too as much as any other American.

Wow these boards are amazing...I posted the same story 2 days before this one
My thread

Got few replies and not a single star....what exactly am I doing wrong here?


*shrugs* whatever

Originally posted by Shakesbeer
reply to post by NYCMedic

 

Please show me in the police standard operating procedure where it instructs officers to shoot a subdued, unarmed man in the back while on the ground? Please...

OK - you all wish to speculate, then lets speculate.

I heard two (2) shots, not (1) one.

The crowd was not making things any better, only worse.

Any one of those People could have said something to alert the cops they were threatened and in danger. (Example: I should cap your ass cop!")

It was a situation where it could have been an accidental discharge. Officer pulls out gun, points gun, hears a pop and pulls the trigger, stands and holds head: "Oh My God!"
Why was the gun out? And why was the safety off? Again, accidental discharge. The cop took out the gun, and had the wep pointing at the kid on the ground. There was struggling and he attempted to assist in controling the perp. Safety was off, His gun discharges.

In any event, it takes more than "one thing" to make a disaster. And this entire thing was just that . . . a disaster.

Should that Kid be dead? No. Should things have happened like they "appear" they did. No. Should we say?: "Now the cops are out of control! Let's riot!" . . . . No.

Many here are acting like those people on the platform. That makes a bad situation only get worse.

reply to post by NYCMedic


Then there are people who will defend the police no matter what they do or how they act.

It appears it was an accident, was it then nessecary to go ahead and cuff this guy that was accidentally shot? Give me a break.

Another thing they haven't even talked to the Cop yet as I guess he just had a baby. Yes its a joyous time but this guy has to answer to another family whose "Baby" (in the sense everyone is someones baby) he just took.

reply to post by NYCMedic


So I'm guessing you don't have that SOP handy do you? And I think I already stated that : either out of fear or malice, his intention was to shoot that man with whatever was holstered. I'm pretty much done speculating, if you want to get into the psychology of the scared cop, then by all means. I would just say that's what he's paid for and to make better decisions then he apparently did. You are the one who brought up the word "riot", but if the public feels there is further injustice on this one, the authorities may have to be concerned about one. That's not my opinion of the proper course of action, but rather observation of past occurrences (Watts 1965, LA 1992).

Everyone is fed up with everything right now, and despite what good ol' wholesome Americans want to believe, Police & security all of the country have been displaying over zealous actions. I'm sure due to heightened world-wide tensions & general paranoia propagated through mainstream media....once again, we're all part of the same fallacy.

I just went thought the second video that shows the actual shooting frame by frame. It was an execution. The officer draws his weapon calmly and slowly, aims and pulls the trigger. The child is already face down and under complete control before he does this.

Normally I try and take the Cops side because most times they are in the right. I can't do that this time. This was a cold blooded murder and the other officers should have arrested him on the spot. They knew what they had just witnessed. They knew the other officer had just executed someone. When an officer sees another officer commit a crime they should treat them like any other criminal or in this case murderer.