Earth is a super computer, ET's are the programmers

reply to post by humanaqurian


Photons are light, and light speed is not instantaneous. There may well be shortcuts as well. The problem is, the EXTREME distances involved would be very prohibitive for even most stars in our own galaxy - let alone extra-galactic civilizations. Then you'd have to consider that nothing we've sent out from the Earth has even reached the nearest neighbor star. To find us would basically be searching for a needle in a haystack the size of the Earth itself... and even then, that's just talking about our galaxy.

There's also the issue of the extreme lengths of time. Humans have only been here for 200,000 years roughly, and only been definitively differential from other animals as far as we can tell for the past 30,000 or so. The universe is over 14 billion years old, IIRC. Would a nearby intelligent species still be around in the very tiny time frame that we have?

I say the first two questions are logical, because we already have an example of it happening. Us. And we have good circumstantial evidence to suggest that organic compounds are extremely common in our solar system - and likely other similar solar systems which may form life in the right conditions.

The last two questions are pure speculation, because we don't have the technology or the understanding of physics to even really speculate on whether or not this technology you speak of is tenable. Nor have we been able to detect life beyond the Earth yet. So even in theory, these concepts are still very much completely baseless and would require extraordinary evidence.

I have considered this idea myself. Maybe we were designed to solve problems using our intelligence (biological computing) in way that is different to ET's way of thinking and problem solving. Maybe they are observing us as a new way to advance their evolution and if the experiment (Our world) is a success they might incorporate our DNA into their species. They might need to check up on us occasionally and make sure we don't get into trouble (nuclear weapons, etc.) and ruin their experiment. Hopefully we pass the test and they don't pull the plug.

Originally posted by humanaqurian
Over the last few month's I have been obsesed with the subject of ufo's and et's.I have viewed hundreds of video's and documentation trying to understand what the bigger picture is.I found that there is a lot rubbish but also a lot of very interesting events and info.
Starting with the sightings,photo's and videos of ufo's.It seems we are being watched but allways from afar.As if not to interfear but see how we are progressing.
Then we have abductions and accounts of medical examinations and the idea that we have been engineered multiple times by et's to what we are today.Like a musician or artist constantly trying to improve on his or her handywork.
The accounts of milltary personel, telling how neclear weapons have been shut down at bases and even shot out of the sky.Possibly they are protecting ther creation.
The stories that early man was taught civilisation and given technology to quickly advance by the gods.Which to me are the et's.
Obviously these beings are of a great intelligence so what reason could they have for putting so much effort into this planet.
When you look at science its allways trying to figure out how everything works.The LHC a good example and the idea of humans one day creating AI wich will be our greatest achivment.
With the idea of 11 dimensions I say our current science is only scratching the serface and the universe is a lot more complicated than we realise.It seems to me that a super intelligence trying to figure out the greater questions in the universe would need even more complecated systems to do so.That is where we come in.We are the system they use.The super computer.After all citie's resemble circit boards from above right? We are the software and the power sauce.With the invention of the internet our ability to share information has grown exponentially.The super computer is getting smarter.
The et's have a universe in wich to store there supercomputers and acosionaly visit time to time to see if they have any new answers to there bigger questions.
I know its a bit far out but never the less an interesting idea.Thanks for reading.

I feel like you have read my mind!

I have thought this also, for a long time now. We will forever improve on ourselves and produce answers to questions in which we wish to understand. Why do all the work yourselves, why not create something that will come out with yet other random answers. If you look at where we are at now, we are creating clones and designing AI driven simulations. How long will it be before we create our little world?


As if you look at what we are doing you can see that there is a reason we do not know where we came from. That disconnection in information allows us to grow up and live differently. That is what they and any inventor of such creation would want. You would not want a clone of who you are but a generation of original thoughts and questions. Remember nothing is impossible, you just have to put your mind to it. If you cannot think it up, you can never work to create it!

[edit on 6-1-2009 by TheWorldNeedsPeace]

reply to post by humanaqurian


In case nobody else has pointed out the obvious...

The answer is 42.

I think the earth is a the apparatus for lab experiments, the ET's are the experimenters and humans are the lab subjects.

What if the so-called "ET"'s are really just US from our own future? It sounds pretty crazy, but makes things a lot more believable than some random race of living organisms from billions of light years away discovering us and then spending more than half a millisecond looking at / interacting with us...

Originally posted by humanaqurian
Its simlpy an idea.A conecting of the dots if you will

Sure, but that connecting of the dots, as you put it, leaves a great deal to subjective interpretation. Connecting the "dots" in the sky years ago lead people to see things like the Big Dipper, Orion's belt, etc -- when nothing could be further from the truth as none of those 'images' are actually there. That's a flawed viewed on a distant 3D image interpreted by somone in a very [relatively] static position.

Simply "connecting the dots" isn't enough.

Creativity is the key to progressing any theory.

Certainly not! The key to progressing any theory is empircal testing and analysis of the data to either further refine the theory or come up with a new hypothesis. "Creativity" might lead you to "come up" with a theory, but certainly is not what you use to progress it. That's almost as subjective as say... connecting the dots.

But as for the Earth being a "supercomputer", etc -- I don' think so.

The Earth is a planet that is/was teeming with life and we happened to evolve through millions of years of adaptation and mutation to better suit our environment [where conversly now, we adapt the environment to better suit ourselves, which could slow down our natural evolutionary processing...?]

While I'm an athiest and don't believe in a Creator, I do accept the possibility that a more evolved intelligence *might* have geneticially altered DNA in some early proto-life form which could have led to who we are now.

But I certainly don't accept that at face value -- so far, there's no evidence to suggest that. At present, evolution, the fossil record and history records suggest we evolved fairly naturally.

reply to post by Lasheic


I don't think the only signal we have sent out are radio signals.I also don't think that is what et's would use for comunication.Id say they would conscious thought as a technology and have found us that way.

Originally posted by Nohup

Originally posted by humanaqurian
I still can't understand why people have such a hard time with the idea et's could be visiting earth.I guess it a case of the earth is flat until proven otherwise.

Not really. It's more a case of there not being leprechauns, until proven otherwise. There's no good proof of ET life of any kind existing anywhere.

I'm not saying it's not possible. A lot of things are possible. I'm saying it has yet to be proven. If you know of any good, solid proof of alien life, I'm sure there are a lot of people who would like to see it, including me.

[edit on 5-1-2009 by Nohup]

Is there proof for god? We have been programmed to think he/it exists without having or needing proof ( I do believe in a great creator by the way ).

Can we prove exactly how a supernova happens? no but we observe the aftermath of their explosion. We have no proof of what they really are. We are just making an educated guess based of what we know and it is takin as PROOF.

All people on here are doing are putting facts and witness reports and 2+2 together and forming their own opinion and the common thing that most agree is that it makes sense that aliens exists and have been visiting us for a while.
Can we prove it ? NO ?
Is there proof ? Yes.......we are not in possession of it though.

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Sorry I don't agree.

reply to post by humanaqurian

Good topic!

I was thinking about the same things a few years, ago. Everyone knows about the unbelieveable processing capabilitys of the human brain, even compared to modern super computers. So aliens could probably make use of this processing power, while we're sleeping, for example. They just have to find a way to feed our brains with the data, which needs to be processed, and a way to receive the results back. It probably would be very efficient in terms of consumption. But i've no clue how efficient it would be compared to an alien artificial computer.

While there are several advantages in heaving billions of self feeding, self-defensive and reproducing supercomputers, i cannot get rid of the idea that i would have done it in a totally different manner. It doesn't seem very effective to me to let humans walk around, let them do things on their own, and waste energie for nothing. If i was an alien, i would probably choose a different method like the robots in matrix, for example. Just keep them in boxes, feed them, so they can process, and keep them, if necessary, in an artificial realitiy. But since i'm not aware of so many facts, which they might very well be aware of, i can't tell what would be the best way.

Maybe they figured out that an artificial intelligence also creates consciousness, and consciousness doesn't opertate effectively, if it's not "satisfied" with his existance.

Who knows...

Like different types of atoms work together collectively to form certain types molecules, which all work together to form us as a human beeing, the idea of human beeings working together collectively serving a higher purpose isn't that far fetched, if you ask me. In fact, the human species, or better "humanity" could be seen as one indiviual, too. Regulating, evolving and refining itself through each individual. We could also, like the atoms of our body, be part of something bigger. This might be aliens or whatever.

reply to post by LucidDreamer85


Everything is based on logic. There nothing illogical in existance. Something only would seem illogical, if someone is not able to comprehend the causal connection between 2 or more events. Free will would be a good example in this case, or the chaos theory.

So what is intelligence? Intelligence is the attempt of a beeing to observe, comprehend, and make use of certain laws and connections he can draw between causal events produced by this universal logic.

Logic, on the other hand, is a universal concept. It's everything in existance. You can think of it as an infinite intelligence, that every beeing in the universe is trying to grasp and make use of. This universal concept created us and everything around us. Our whole understanding of everything is based on this logic.

However, this doesn't have to mean logic is god, but it demonstrates how the universe is intelligence itself to probably an infinite amount, and how we and our intelligence are nothing more than logical parts of it.

So, if everything that we define as intelligence is logic itself, what makes you doubt that behind this concept of logic is anything other than an intelligence, which created this concept?

The fact that intelligence itself is nothing but reproduced logic points, if you ask me, to an intelligence beyond or behind this logic.

Ok, i know, this is far away from the topic, but it shows that god (a higher or the highest intelligence) is part of the universal concept or even behind it, and not programmed thoughts implemented into our brains by other humans. It's born out of the principle of causality.

reply to post by humanaqurian


Good topic!

I was thinking about the same things a few years, ago. Everyone knows about the unbelieveable processing capabilitys of the human brain, even compared to modern super computers. So aliens could probably make use of this processing power, while we're sleeping, for example. They just have to find a way to feed our brains with the data, which needs to be processed, and a way to receive the results back. It probably would be very efficient in terms of consumption. But i've no clue how efficient it would be compared to an alien artificial computer.

While there are several advantages in heaving billions of self feeding, self-defensive and reproducing supercomputers, i cannot get rid of the idea that i would have done it in a totally different manner. It doesn't seem very effective to me to let humans walk around, let them do things on their own, and waste energie for nothing. If i was an alien, i would probably choose a different method like the robots in matrix, for example. Just keep them in boxes, feed them, so they can process, and keep them, if necessary, in an artificial realitiy. But since i'm not aware of so many facts, which they might very well be aware of, i can't tell what would be the best way.

Maybe they figured out that an artificial intelligence also creates consciousness, and consciousness doesn't opertate effectively, if it's not "satisfied" with his existence.

Who knows...

Like different types of atoms work together collectively to form certain types molecules, which all work together to form us as a human beeing, the idea of human beeings working together collectively serving a higher purpose isn't that far fetched, if you ask me. In fact, the human species, or better "humanity" could be seen as one indiviual, too. Regulating, evolving and refining itself through each individual. We could also, like the atoms of our body, be part of something bigger. This might be aliens or whatever.

Just my thoughts on it...


reply to post by LucidDreamer85


Everything is based on logic. There nothing illogical in existence. Something only would seem illogical, if someone is not able to comprehend the causal connection between 2 or more events. Free will would be a good example in this case, or the chaos theory.

So what is intelligence? Intelligence is the attempt of a beeing to observe, comprehend, and make use of certain laws and connections he can draw between causal events produced by this universal logic.

Logic, on the other hand, is a universal concept. It's everything in existence. You can think of it as an infinite intelligence, that every beeing in the universe is trying to grasp and make use of. This universal concept created us and everything around us. Our whole understanding of everything is based on this logic.

However, this doesn't have to mean logic is god, but it demonstrates how the universe is intelligence itself to probably an infinite amount, and how we and our intelligence are nothing more than logical parts of it.

So, if everything that we define as intelligence is logic itself, what makes you doubt that behind this concept of logic is anything other than an intelligence, which created this concept?

The fact that intelligence itself is nothing but reproduced logic points, if you ask me, to an intelligence beyond or behind this logic.

Ok, i know, this is far away from the topic, but it shows that god (a higher or the highest intelligence) is part of the universal concept or even behind it, and not programmed thoughts implemented into our brains by other humans. It's born out of the principle of causality.



[edit on 7-1-2009 by hackbart]

we are the workers on a slave planet ... get use to it... that is why we feel like we dont belong on earth... but we are here... we treat everything with respect except the earth the ultimate dumping grounds.

Hey there!

This post reminds me of a series of book that I've read about this very thing.

It's called the Soul Rider series by Jack Chalker. The are 6 books in this series.

The world in the books is actually a series of portholes and galactic gates on seven points around this planet run by supercomputers, Guardians and Soul Riders.

Check it, I think you'll enjoy them.

SeeYa!!!

Originally posted by Lasheic
reply to post by Nohup

 

Considering the size and scope of the universe - it's almost certain that life exists elsewhere in the galaxy. It's extremely likely that intelligent life exists out there as well. The question is, however, is that intelligent life capable of interstellar travel capable of reaching us, and if so, are they visiting us? The latter questions are what really require extraordinary evidence of.

...or, they having been here before our species even emerged, and after initially mingling with us, stayed back in hidden subterranean facilities, out of sight, only emerging at sites located in remote wilderness, again... out of sight.

this option suggests no need for this 'extraordinary' feat of interstellar travel.

this 'feat' being one which I think the vast majority of humans put on too high of a pedestal of achievement, most likely because of scientific concepts / methods / ideas they've not been exposed to, which have been suppressed.

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Originally posted by InfaRedMan


The point Nohup makes is valid, and even though I've witnessed 3 UFO's up quite close, I tend to agree with the meat of Nohup's post. Sure I've seen, and I believe in the reality of UFO's/Aliens, however that does not make them 'proven' beyond doubt.

ok your confusing me here

first you said you have seen UFOs up close (so have I)

then you turn around and say "i believe in the reality.."
and THEN you say "That does not make them proven"

Um YES IT DOES! LOL

Its proven to you personally and that is all that is possible.
I have seen them and it was my personal proof and it convinced me 100%.

UFOs are a "you gotta see it to believe it" kinda thing essentially

and in reply to the OP, i personally feel your theory is about half correct

I do not think earth is a alien created computer, But I do however think Earth is a natural quantum computer.

And I do feel aliens are gathering information from this "quantum computer" so to speak.

My terms are loose, as the ideas I wish to convey are difficult to articulate.

All atoms = computers
Earth = massive super computer (in a sense)

so no matter what aliens are doing here, or what type of research/investigation they are conducting

you can look at it as "them" studying our "Earth data" that the "earth computer" generates

catch my drift?

Ill add this, nasa is 50 years old.In that time they have been to the moon,sent satellites to the outer planets,placed probes on mars and detected planets that could possibly support life.I find it hard to believe that a civilization that could be million's of years old wouldn't have the technology to detect our planet in that time scale.They wouldn't haveto know there was life here. Only that the conditions are correct for the possability.Surely when we get the technology to travel to planets we think could support life they would be the first we visit.Or it could be that in the 4.5 billion years earth has been here it was seen as a possilbe planet to populate with life.Then the needle in a hay stack nolonger matters.

I really grow tired of people insisting that there is absolutely no proof of any of this, the ufo phenomena, there is undeniably proof of something going on which is related to ufo's, and has been going on for decades. You must not grasp the concept of government cover up all to well, or you would never even run around saying there isn't any proof, the proof is staring you right in the face. (PS: awesome theory, one of the most intelligent theories on ATS so far aside from my insight of course)