Israeli tank column enters Gaza: witness

reply to post by jheated7


there is no link to any phone conversation - it never happened and gamergal made it up.

pleaase call msnbc and they will tell you the same thing , that it never happened.

and the troll is going round in circles to detract from the fact that she has been caught out.

reply to post by Harlequin


Why would you even call MSNBC in the first place, if there was any truth to this wouldn't there already be a thread about it??? I mean wouldn't this be the best piece of propaganda in the media war yet? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know this story was fabricated...

reply to post by jheated7


i called msnbc because thats where gamergal claimed to have seen it - over 50 time she said she saw it .

so i called them because i know its not true , you know , would have been all over the worlds press by now - 72 hours after she claimed it did.

and msnbc said they never broadcast any conversation , and don`t know what she is talking about.

but gamergal is playing with words and going round in circles playing with words.

Msnbc in GazaCNN can't even get in. More lies gamer girl.
The only ones having live images from Gaza are Ajazira, and they use local people to send in video feed.Maybe someone should call NBC and ask them if they are in Gaza city.My 2 cents they would say they are not even close.
Ohh boy you are full of disinfo.You spread it all around you.

Here let me ruin it for you.

news.trendaz.com...

Dozens of journalists waited at Israeli-Gaza border, watching the military operation in Gaza, as Israel refuses to let any media cross into the strip, reported Xinhua.

Since the Israel Defense Forces "Cast Lead" operation in Gaza Strip began 11 days ago, the Israeli Supreme Court has agreed to allow a limited number of journalists into Gaza, but Israeli army has not fulfilled its promise yet.

[edit on 6-1-2009 by pepsi78]

Originally posted by pepsi78
Msnbc in Gaza

CNN can't even get in. More lies gamer girl

Yeah she's really getting pathetic now. Even the link I posted in the OP to a CNN stream, only shows Ben Wiedemann at the border of Gaza. Nor is there any footage available of Israel infantry fighting Hamas.




Anyhow, to get back ontopic:

Israel's ground offensive is reaching a critical stage where its forces may soon have to face Hamas fighters on their chosen killing ground, the narrow, winding alleyways of Gaza City.

Despite the days of relentless air strikes, Israeli commanders admit that the Islamist movement still has large quantities of weapons and up to 20,000 trained men to use in a bloody campaign. The Hamas arsenal has been smuggled in through the intricate network of tunnels that dip under the Egyptian border, a network that has also provided the economic lifeblood for the Palestinian territory suffering from severe and punitive sanctions imposed by Israel.

The fact that these tunnels have played a key role in keeping Hamas in political and military power has made them not only targets of Israeli attacks but also a key issue in any ceasefire.

There are believed to be hundreds of tunnels criss-crossing the nine-mile wide barren border between Gaza and Egypt along what has become known as the Philadelphi Corridor. Constructed over years and varying in depth and width, the tunnels have carried everything from rockets to cattle. Some also allow access to routes for supposed VIPs to have quicker entry and exit from the Palestinian enclave.

Professor Efraim Inbar, director of Israel's Bar-Ilan University's Begin-Sadat Centre for Strategic Studies, believes the Israeli government bears a degree of responsibility for the existence of the tunnels. "They did not take them seriously at first and did not invest enough money and resources to detecting and stopping them. The problem they now face is that they have to destroy all the main tunnels and then also make sure that they are not rebuilt in the future."

In the past the Israelis have considered a number of options to deal with the tunnels, including digging a moat flooded with seawater, deterring smugglers with the risk of drowning. The plan was dropped, however, after it became apparent it could contaminate Gaza's crumbling underground aquifer. The Israelis have also asked the US to provide its Army Corps of Engineers to build an underground wall on the Egyptian side of the Philadelphi Corridor. The Americans are said to have agreed in principle although it is unclear whether the Egyptians had also given the green light.

Jerusalem's demand that there should be stringent checks carried out by an international force to monitor any ceasefire shows the Israeli anxiety about the underground routes being reopened. For the moment, the Israelis are trying to destroy the network with pulverising bunker-busting bombs acquired from the US. Nicholas Pelham, an analyst with the International Crisis Group, said closing the tunnels permanently would be a major and lengthy undertaking. "Without occupying a fairly broad stretch of territory, it is hard to see how you can maintain the closure of the tunnels long-term," he said.

The more immediate concern for Israel is how Hamas's armed wing, the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, have used the tunnels to prepare for battle. The militia is said to have sent thousands of members for training to Iran and Lebanon, where they have drawn on the tactics used successfully by Hizbollah against the Israelis in 2006.

According to one Hamas commander, one of the lessons learnt is to reduce the risk of taking return fire by not detonating missiles on site. Fighters "dig tunnels and use lengths of detonation wire so they can launch missiles from a distance. So we lose a tube or a firing frame worth $10, not soldiers".

Abu Bilal, a commander of Islamic Jihad, which operates independently from Hamas in Gaza, acknowledged the rocket attacks have been psychologically damaging for Israelis but have little military impact. "We can't do anything but fire the rockets and hope they enter Gaza," he said. "We are praying for the tanks to come so we can show them new things. All our fighters wait for the chance to kill them."

Hamas's weaponry includes Qassam missiles, mainly manufactured within Gaza, and Chinese copies of Russian-made Grads smuggled from across the border along with mortars, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, heavy calibre machine guns, mines and improvised devices. Hamas also inherited a stockpile of US-made small arms and ammunition abandoned by the rival Fatah movement when its fighters were driven out of Gaza in 2007.

Hamas has also upgraded its military structure with five brigades under separate commanders who report to Izz al-Din al-Qassam chiefs but have also been trained to carry on as individual units when necessary.

Independent


[edit on 6-1-2009 by Mdv2]

Tom Aspels the MCNBC reporter sitting on the border with the rest of them.....

oh and heres his report about the second UN school to be attacked today

www.msnbc.msn.com...


grrr can`t get there pplayer to work:@

its the `israel shells gaza school` video link 1/2 way down the MSNBC page

[edit on 6/1/09 by Harlequin]

[edit on 6 Jan 2009 by neformore]

I don't know what is more sickening. The fact that Israel is not letting humanitarian aid into the country, the fact that it's difficult to get the wounded civilian population out of Gaza to get treatment, or the apparent indiscriminate destruction of obvious civilian targets by Israel.

As I have said earlier in this thread, this is going to be genocide. This is ethnic cleansing. I know that Israeli officials have said that the Palestinian people aren't targets. But how often do they have to have "accidents" in order for people to wake up and realise that it's a complete lie.

Hamas fighters I certainly doubt would be using a school to house rockets or to fight in. I doubt they would be welcome inside of houses or anywhere women and children are. I don't care how much people proclaim Hamas as a terrorist organization. They wouldn't put their own people into harms way on purpose like this.

One point to note, Israel is doing this in part because they don't know what Obama's reaction might be to this sort of humanitarian nightmare. They know that George W Bush doesn't give a [snip] so they feel that this is the time to take out what they consider trash. That trash is the Palestinian people of Gaza.

I've watched gamergirl....from a distance...in this thread

She has been arguing non stop for I would guess 5 to 7 days with more than willing trolls.

Together, they've gassed eachother up.

It's really sad.

You guys need to figure out if your here to entertain yourself (at the expense of the thread, pages of bickering and off topic arguments) or to learn.

[edit on 6-1-2009 by ConservativeJack]

Originally posted by jheated7
reply to post by Harlequin

 

Why would you even call MSNBC in the first place, if there was any truth to this wouldn't there already be a thread about it??? I mean wouldn't this be the best piece of propaganda in the media war yet? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know this story was fabricated...

Yes if there had even been a phone link for interview MSNBC would have a record of it. They would be able to tell the enquirer who the reporter was. I guess it is pure fantasy but a certain person is insistent.

I notice you are new here so may I suggest that you read the whole thread again carefully to get a feel for the trolling, lies, name calling and lack of evidence throughout the thread.

Oh...don't forget Pallywood

take care all
res

[edit on 6-1-2009 by resistancia]

reply to post by resistancia


actually Pallywood exists - i never said it didn`t in the 90 odd pages spanning a number of threads; what i did say , on more than a few times is that Richard Landes and Ruthie blumm (reporter for the Jeruslem Post) have workd together for that paper and have a close and personal relationship - so when you watch pallywood - do so with an open mind that its not quite as unbiased or objective as the authors want you to believe.

so go ahead and watch the pallwood stuff - and look for the israeliwood stuff as well , as its been proven that israel fake alerts when they want to stir tension (missile alerts when other leaders are in israel being one)

in this region - truth has allready been dead , buried dug up and cremated.

then buried again.

[edit on 6/1/09 by Harlequin]

reply to post by pepsi78


We have no Australian journos in Gaza. Like all the others they are somewere in Israel and we get feeds with Gaza in the background.

I think that this gives free rein to the propaganda machine - for both sides.



take care all
res

reply to post by Harlequin


I think you may have misunderstood my reply to jheated7.

I was not directing anything at you...it was directed at the troll, savvy?

And yes I know about Pallywood. I read and view everything and that is why I remain objective.


take care all
res

reply to post by Retseh
[Obviously they need to learn the meaning of "Don't bite the hand that feeds you"]

And the Israelis have to keep them on a leash too, right?

Were talking but no one can see the fight, how about tactical stuff? What is really happening there.Where is the Israeli army and where is Hamas.Who is fighting who.CNN is not reporting on the war, just on the mess the war made.Not that I like to be entertained but I for one would like to know more.

reply to post by pepsi78
[Were talking but no one can see the fight, how about tactical stuff? What is really happening there.Where is the Israeli army and where is Hamas.Who is fighting who.CNN is not reporting on the war, just on the mess the war made.Not that I like to be entertained but I for one would like to know more.]

They wouldn't show any intelligence that would place the IDF soldiers in danger (by showing their relative locations), but I suppose at the same time it'd be easier for atrocities to take place if 'the cameras are taken out '

Certainly the more violent war seems (visual evidence), the less support is given for it, and the warmongers behind this war know it.

This is the first war that I do not have feed of. We saw the Iraqi war, the war on Georgia, Serbia but not this one.At least people would have something else to talk about besides the bashing.I wonder if there is close combat range going on.

reply to post by StevenDye


I for one have never bought the "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter", BS. This kind of thinking draws a moral equivalence between people who fight a legitimate war against a military opponent and simple thugs who deliberately target unarmed civilians.

Although the UN can't seem to agree on a definition of terror, terrorism, or terrorists. I can.

Here are my definitions.

Terror is the intentionally inflicting pain, fear, or horror on an unarmed civilian populace. A good example is a bus bombing by a suicide bomber.

Terrorism, is involving civilians in a military conflict, or using them as human shields because you know that the media will show their deaths and blame the enemy.

Terrorism, is the act of waging war on an unarmed populace because their military is too strong to defeat.

Terrorism, is the deliberate targeting of civilians or civilian housing. Like tossing a hand grenade into a shopping area.

Dropping a bomb on a military target and missing, is not an act of terrorism.

Engaging an enemy who is holding innocent people hostage is not terrorism.

Engaging a military target which is placed on or in a hospital, school, airport, etc. is not terrorism.

If you are without uniform, not a member of a regular military unit, and your targets are unarmed civilians, then you are a terrorist.

If you are an individual or group that chooses to act without the backing of an official government or military then you are a terrorist.

If you are a uniformed member of a regular military organization, then you are a soldier, not a terrorist.

If you choose your targets to inflict pain, fear, and panic, in a civilian populace, then you are a terrorist.

If you choose your targets because you know that they will be unarmed and unable to fight you, then you are a terrorist.

If you choose targets who are unarmed civilians because the military of your enemy is too strong to confront, then you are a terrorist.

If you choose targets who are the civilians of a nation that you have not declared hostilities against, then you are a terrorist.

Please not that I said, "declared hostilities" and not "declared war". There really is no difference but many here in the US seem to think that a declaration of war needs to have the word war somewhere in the declaration, it does not.

For me the distinction is clear.

reply to post by pepsi78


Considering the one sided representation of the 2006 conflict between Israel and Hezbollah, then it is perfectly understandable that the Israelis would not make that mistake again.

Why allow jounalists to accompany you when they tip off the enemy to your location?

Why bring them along when they distort the facts?

Why bring them along when they focus on the military operaton but ignore the terroristic acts?

Even so, we saw the Israeli Army positioning itself on the border. We saw them move into Gaza. We see the airstrikes. We are still seeing a lot.

Originally posted by Harlequin
reply to post by GamerGal

 

its a shame you are a troll and paid for for this - MSNBC called you a LIAR and you carry on tring to spread your LIE.

by attempting to use the play on words for VIDEO you are attempting to detract from the issue that you LIED.

gamergal you claimed that palestinians were shooting children in the knees and throwing them under a tank

your only `proof` is that you watched it on TV.

you cannot supply any recording of this from any source.

so the only evidence you can supply is your word.

i called MSNBC on the number supplied a few pages back and MSNBC have said they never broadcast what you claimed.

i even suggest anyone can call them and they will say the same thing

why do you lie?

First, if I'm getting paid, where's my money? I'd love to get paid too listen to you scream for the video I, and MSNBC, said never existed. Second, you show no proof you called MSNBC. And after your story went from video, too show, too MSNBC never aired, too MSNBC never talked too someone on the phone, I'm guessing you never called. Third, I didn't claim they did it, a guy on the ground reporting what he saw claimed it.