Israeli tank column enters Gaza: witness

Whats going off big time? Can you actually see any difference in what is going on, on the ground, or just how the media (CNN) is sensationalizing it?

I noticed on Fox a bit ago they are saying that chatter is coming out now about a possible attack on the US and Israel. Who knows...probably BS but it all seems to be "ramping up" because the MSM does what it does best. Tries to keep folks tuning in.

Originally posted by shauny
Going off BIG TIME as we speak

i have my tv (IN THE UK) on CNN

madness, utter, utter madness

this is going to get real people.

Hours in the Ground Assault and only 40 Hamas Reported Dead by the IDF..hmmmm where are they all.

GAZA CITY? they dare not go there!

If Hamas was so tuff step out of the dark and fight, enter Israel and attack them.

This is not surprising and a bunch of hippies on this board will change little. I share my feelings with you that this is an injustice. But just how much shelling should Israel take. They're showing Hamas that they are harder. I've said before that BOTH sides need to realise that they cannot win before they will talk. Maybe this is it.

Funny how a people who was haunted and killed no more than 50 years ago are doing the exact same thing what happens to them to their neighbours.

israel army is now conducting genocide towards civilians to try to catch an invisible enemy....

Best of luck to the civilian Palestinian people

Loke.

Of course Israel could shift to using MOAB variations. That is an area weapon.

The thing about high explosives - they bust stuff. Stuff you want busted, and a bit more stuff.

Hey, if my enemy calls me out, and brings a knife to a gunfight, then he is SOL.

He is so very screwed.

You want to slap a bear, pull the tail of a lion? You go right ahead, but don't come yelling to me about it when that animal turns on you with its full wrath.

Acftually the Israeli's are targeting Hamas members specifically. How is this genocide?? That doesnt even make sense. I hear folks on here throwing that term around SO loosely and it wreaks of ignorance. Especially given that the Israelis are targeting actual fighters and Hamas is lobbing rockets indescriminately at Israeli population centers.

Originally posted by Loke.
Funny how a people who was haunted and killed no more than 50 years ago are doing the exact same thing what happens to them to their neighbours.

israel army is now conducting genocide towards civilians to try to catch an invisible enemy....

Best of luck to the civilian Palestinian people

Loke.

reply to post by Loke.


They are not doing even close to what was done to them in ww2. I don't believe protecting your own citizens from rocket attacks is genocide. Also, warning citizens in advance that they will be bombing certain targets is far from genocide. Hamas is killing their own people.

And they are only invisible because they hide behind children like the cowards that they are.

They've just mentioned that they believe Hamas has some Chinese made rockets that they can use against the Israeli tanks. I seem to remember an Iranian(?) official saying something about Hamas having a secret weapon up their sleeve that they could use against the IDF, could these Chinese made weapons be it?


edit to add link:

Secret Weapon?

[edit on 3-1-2009 by Chris McGee]

The IDF is showing Force to get Hamas, with the help of the world community, to sue for Peace....a meaningful CeaseFire that both sides (Hamas broke the last one and didnt want to renew when expired) will honor. Let's pray that there will be Peace quickly.

Originally posted by Chris McGee
They've just mentioned that they believe Hamas has some Chinese made rockets that they can use against the Israeli tanks. I seem to remember an Iranian(?) official saying something about Hamas having a secret weapon up their sleeve that they could use against the IDF, could these Chinese made weapons be it?

Secret weapon sounds like the ark of the covenant to me. It got swiped.

Originally posted by ClearCut
And they are only invisible because they hide behind children like the cowards that they are.

Wow, because the whole israel army is not populated with youngsters 18-25.

I am a free man living in a free country, i can say, mean and even protest what i mean, and my meaning is israel got a country handed 50 years ago because what a 2000 year old book has written in it.

israel has no intentions in living in peace with anyone none orthodox jewish people amongst them and around them, pure racist thought in my world. But mark my words, israel will one day really gonna feel for the oppression the have putted the Palestinian people under the last 50 year, while silently stealing their contry with UN´s accept.

Best regards.

Loke.

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They may be referring to the RPG - 29. They've been seen in Syria, Iraq (though Syria) and Iran.

Good weapons designed to defeat almost all armor.

The thing is, you've got to have the testes to stick urass out there and use it.

Originally posted by Loke.
Funny how a people who was haunted and killed no more than 50 years ago are doing the exact same thing what happens to them to their neighbours.

israel army is now conducting genocide towards civilians to try to catch an invisible enemy....

Best of luck to the civilian Palestinian people

Loke.

These Israelis are largely not the same as the people that were killed in the Holocaust who were mainly Western Europeans. They were not zionist and many of the respected senior rabbis died in the concentration camps. Most Israeli are Eastern Europeans and a very few number of Polish Jews that survived the camps because they were there later on in the war.

Interestingly enough, those Jews that survived the Holocaust in Germany and Austria were nazis and fought for Hitler. They brought their skills to Palestine in 1946.

Hitler's Jewish Soldiers

The Untold Story of Nazi Racial Laws and Men of Jewish Descent in the German Military

Bryan Mark Rigg

On the murderous road to "racial purity" Hitler encountered unexpected detours, largely due to his own crazed views and inconsistent policies regarding Jewish identity. After centuries of Jewish assimilation and intermarriage in German society, he discovered that eliminating Jews from the rest of the population was more difficult than he'd anticipated. As Bryan Mark Rigg shows in this provocative new study, nowhere was that heinous process more fraught with contradiction and confusion than in the German military.

Contrary to conventional views, Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s. Rigg demonstrates that the actual number was much higher than previously thought--perhaps as many as 150,000 men, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals.

As Rigg fully documents for the first time, a great many of these men did not even consider themselves Jewish and had embraced the military as a way of life and as devoted patriots eager to serve a revived German nation. In turn, they had been embraced by the Wehrmacht, which prior to Hitler had given little thought to the "race" of these men but which was now forced to look deeply into the ancestry of its soldiers.

The process of investigation and removal, however, was marred by a highly inconsistent application of Nazi law. Numerous "exemptions" were made in order to allow a soldier to stay within the ranks or to spare a soldier's parent, spouse, or other relative from incarceration or far worse. (Hitler's own signature can be found on many of these "exemption" orders.) But as the war dragged on, Nazi politics came to trump military logic, even in the face of the Wehrmacht's growing manpower needs, closing legal loopholes and making it virtually impossible for these soldiers to escape the fate of millions of other victims of the Third Reich.

Based on a deep and wide-ranging research in archival and secondary sources, as well as extensive interviews with more than four hundred Mischlinge and their relatives, Rigg's study breaks truly new ground in a crowded field and shows from yet another angle the extremely flawed, dishonest, demeaning, and tragic essence of Hitler's rule.

www.kansaspress.ku.edu...

I find it unbelievable that some here are saying "this or that" is happening.
Unless you are there you can't say SH*T about what is going on.
NO, you heard something from some source is not the same thing as actually being there, so I think those people should just be quiet.

reply to post by ClearCut

Getting hidden around the city and shooting from the cover of a concrete block, from windows was done many time in history.Hidding among the children is just far fetched and exagerated.Guerila war is totaly normal and has no negative impact on an image of a paramilitary force.

Of course you are going to need cover, you are not just going to go out in an open field like an idiot and get shot.

Originally posted by Gregarious
reply to post by Peruvianmonk

 

OK, you have a cease fire. One side starts lobbing missiles into the others' land. Who broke the ceasefire?

The systematic starvation and prevention of humaitarian aid by Israell is what started it

reply to post by Taikonaut

I've been hungry before, and firing rockets to slake my hunger never crossed my mind.

I'll have to try that.

You get hungry, and attack someone else.

Yeah. That makes sense. That will work!

prior to the death toll from the missle attacks,Is there a total number of kills/estimation since they invaded gaza?

I've been hungry before, and firing rockets to slake my hunger never crossed my mind.

Dooper what don't you get? Israel broke the agreement by going in Gaza and killing Palestinians before any rocket fired.It's plain and simple.