Marrs' Fourth Reich

This website is immense. I suppose this thread really belongs in Mr. Marrs' own forum, but I can't figure out how to post anything there, as there is no NEW THREAD button.

I just picked up Mr. Marrs' Fourth Reich book, my first by him, though I have been aware of his work for some years now. In fact, I just heard him on a recent podcast at Beyond the Grassy Knoll.

In the introduction, Mr. Marrs is pointing out how we have become more socialized under this current administration. He reports from a USA Today article that government benefit programs are dramatically up since 2000. This is near the bottom of page 15.

This statement floored me, and is contrary to everything I see and hear about the Bush administration. A common practice of 'it' (Bush) is to de-fund programs and make them inefficient, non-functional. The Administration continually cuts social programs. We the American people have been suffering greatly from the Administration's preferential treatment of corporate interests.

I am having trouble getting past this point of the book as it seems to be laying the groundwork for what I am about to read.

I'd appreciate some discussion on this point of the socialism promoted by the current Administration. Has anybody read this book?

Sorry I've not read it yet, asked for it as a Christmas gift but never got it, I may go and buy it now...

So what is wrong with a more 'socialised' society? I am sorry but I do not get the American way of thinking.

I am not judgmental about socialism...it's just that I think it fits the Reichian definition of socialized nationalism.

My question was twofold: Does anybody know why I can post here but not in the section to as Mr. Marrs a question? I did not find anything about premium pay privileges.

The other question, if that's what is was, is if I'm reading this correctly. I don't see the Bush administration doing anything for anybody other than self-serving interests. They seem to be trying to shift the wealth in many devious ways, using disasters (incl. ones they've created) to take more and to strip us of our Constitutional privileges.

As for USA Today, I don't trust anything that comes out of the corporate-controlled media.

I don't know Mr. Marrs' politics at all. If he sees the Bush administration as providing more social services to the general public, I don't think I'll be able to swallow the message here. I guess I have my own conceptions on the subject and was hoping Mr. Marrs shows the strong links between the Bush family and Nazis. Grandfather Prescott was indicted for his banking support of the Nazi party, even during the war, I believe. I see that Mr. Marrs included numerous comments about Prescott. He also included a stand-alone section on the Kennedys and the Nazis. I was hoping the Bush family would also warrant its own topic section...but not.

I decided to go for another Marrs book today, the one on 9/11. I have read up on this topic quite a bit and I can tell we are aligned.

So...back to the Fourth Reich. I'll see what Mr. Marrs has to say on this.

Comments most welcomed about Bush as an agent of socialsim. (I don't see it that way at all.)

Originally posted by Wotan
So what is wrong with a more 'socialised' society? I am sorry but I do not get the American way of thinking.

Yeah and you didn't get as powerful as america either!! no one did!! (i'm canadian-it's just true)

Originally posted by heyo

Originally posted by Wotan
So what is wrong with a more 'socialised' society? I am sorry but I do not get the American way of thinking.

Yeah and you didn't get as powerful as america either!! no one did!! (i'm canadian-it's just true)

I am sorry, but I dont get what you are trying to say.

This is not a one line post.

reply to post by Hott_Nutz


Memo to Nutz: You have to have accumulated (I think) 250 ATS points to post in the Marrs forum, or you have to have posted 250 times in these forums (can't remember which, I think it is the latter). Why this is I do not know.

I have read The Rise of the Fourth Reich. It's an awesome book, the theme of which, is the infiltration of Nazi ideology and thinking into the institutions of the United States. It's a big topic. My suggestion. Read the whole book, write down questions as you go and when you have posted 250 times in other forums, ask Mr. Marrs.


[edit on 29-12-2008 by ipsedixit]

Originally posted by Wotan
So what is wrong with a more 'socialised' society? I am sorry but I do not get the American way of thinking.

Personally, I think a combination of capitalism and socialism is the way to go. America should be more socialist. There would be a lot less crime if the less fortunate were taken care of there the way they are in a more socialist country like Canada, or the Scandanavian countries.

Mr. Marrs's politics could probably be described as "libertarian". He doesn't think the state should be legislating things like no smoking in bar and restaurants, etc. He thinks that should be left up to bar owners and their customers. Mr. Marrs is a compassionate man. I don't think he would be against improved medical care for American citizens, but he balks at intrusive state interference into people's personal lives.

What's going on in the United States with regard to Nazi ideas and methodologies is far more sinister though and is aimed at comprehensive control of the society by the industrial oligarchs.

[edit on 29-12-2008 by ipsedixit]

Thanks for the info about accumulating 250 posts before being able to post a question to Mr. Marrs. I looked around the site and found no information like that. It seems self-defeating, with such a requirement as it encourages useless posts, as people try to hit that magic number.

And thanks for the background to Mr. Marrs. Good idea, to read the whole book. This statement of Mr. Marrs about all the social programs initiated by the Bush administration really took me down. We who are not in the highest percentile of the rich are really getting raped by this administration. Rather than getting more socialized as a nation, I see we are losing what little that we have left. When Bush came into office, they invited the banks to rewrite the bankruptcy laws to their advantage. A common practice of the Administration is to cripple programs by underfunding them. Ask the poor in Baton Rouge about Mr. Bush's social programs. Ask the returning Iraq vets about how well they are taken care of.

There appears to be a shift in wealth going on. We are hopelessly in debt, personally and as a nation. And we lost our homes to the predator lender scandal. Remember Elliott Spitzer, gov of NY with a taste for poontang? The day after he was busted, an important story about predator lenders and the Bush administration came out in The Washington Times. Spitzer Speaks

I don't see the socialized side of Bush. However, I am anxious to learn more about the shift to the Reich.

Originally posted by Hott_Nutz
And thanks for the background to Mr. Marrs. Good idea, to read the whole book. This statement of Mr. Marrs about all the social programs initiated by the Bush administration really took me down. We who are not in the highest percentile of the rich are really getting raped by this administration.

The Nazis (so called National Socialists) used socialist ideas to help get power, but when power came they purged all the real socialists in government and cosied up to the industrial oligarchs and the army. In Nazi Germany, the ordinary citizen was simply a cog in the machinery of state.

The Nazi Party was like a criminal gang with the higher ups grabbing all the swag they could. Sound familiar?