If man kind is to survive, religion must end

While religion has it's bad points and good points, and most are bad, how exactly are you to retain humanity's ways without having religion? Because with imagination comes the ability to imagine an afterlife. In other words, you can;t eliminate religion without eliminating imagination. because if you were to get everyone to say no to religion, there would always be a kid who never grows up and thinks the ghost he saw as a kid was real and will not admit being wrong. And if you were to create an isolated society of atheists with religion removed, like all nations, there would come a time when interaction, trade, or other contact would be needed, and like it or not, multiculturalism is a natural result of trade and the likes. And like it or not, someone in a society will always think something opposite to the accepted way.


So exactly how do you see your religion-less world ever existing?

Originally posted by robwerden

Oh and guess what, logic tells me I just got a whole bunch of people angry, and they are going to want to debate me on this. So im not going to debate anyone here, by simply not replying to any comments that show disagreement, because you are exactly the type of person who I do not want to associate my self with.
So If you don't like what I have to say, then put me on your ignore list, because that is where you are going as well.

The purpose of ATS is to debate issues to get at the truth. Why are you posting here if you are not willing to debate issue's. This is not a Blog???

Eliminating religion? If that includes eliminating the elite's ancient religions as well, then I'm all for it!

The New World Order, the New Age, the Occult, Freemasonry, OTO, Wicca, Satanism, Theosophy, Scientology, Extreme Zionism, Socialism, Capitalism, Militant Jihadism, the Illuminati, the Global Banking system, the Mass Media... These are but a few arms of the great beast. The beast is the enemy of freedom. True freedom should be the ultimate goal of civilised mankind...

Increased governmental regulance, worship of the self, allegiance to the state, greedy fat armchair politicians that make decisions for us, and religious extremism that threatens other's rights to happiness and equality... ...Should all be discarded if are ever to move forward as a truly free society of peaceful people. Those things are whats really impeding our progress!

Religion is just another tool used by the elite to control us. Take it away, and they will find another.

[edit on 15-4-2009 by mostlyspoons]

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How praytell is wicca a tool of control? I am just curious on what you base this assumption on knowing what I know of it.

And incidently here's an excert from a review of a book that argues with Richard Dawkin's "The God Delusion" that sums it up nicely the fallacy inherent in blaming relgion for mankind's idiocy and calling for its banning because of that.

The seraph begins by politely nailing Dawkins’s first sleight of hand which, as loads of people have now pointed out, dishonestly bundles all religious belief and practice into one crude bag that supposedly equals fanaticism.

This is rather like suggesting that all science is dangerous because it has brought nuclear weapons; or that all education is mistaken because children have been whipped by so-called educators.

It is child’s play to denounce a subject by pointing to the myriad ways in which it may be misapplied; misuse and misapplication are rife in all areas of human understanding: politics, science, education, medicine, religion. But it is faulty logic to conclude that this is necessarily the fault of the set of ideas being traduced. I attended a primary school where the strap was still applied. Does it follow that I should not have attended primary school? Is psychiatry a bad thing because schizophrenics were once made to take bromide?

SOURCE:entertainment.timesonline.co.uk...

Originally posted by darkclaw1256
Not only religion must be abolished, but other type of sinister wrongdoings such as corrupt politics must end. I agree with you that these will help mankind to become better and have a strong chance of survival, but there are also other things that must change regarding the ways humans express themselves.

Man should strive to be better and violence has to stop. Everyday, people are dying because of something wrong in the world happening so if violence was to end, there won't be anything to argue about. With ending religion and also ending corrupt politics, mankind would finally be a beautiful utopia.

You want to abolish religion, but I notice your avatar is that of a "grey." I suppose you believe the aliens are coming to save us? Do you commune with them?

And this is not a religion? And you say violence must stop, but you want to force your views on everybody else and how do you propose to stop people from having their own ideas about God separate from yours unless you just kill them, or torture them, put the fear of the grays, or whatever, into them that they only believe as you say they should.

Just like in 1984. After you've been tortured long enough you will agree that 2 plus 2 equals 5 and you will get down and kiss the feet of your oppressor.

Is that how it goes?

haha, this thread is a good one. although we are still a very primitive species, its good to see some people can see through the looking glass

Ahh... the old religion thing again. I notice how anti religious rants must from time to time lift it's head and speak, but be that as it may, those that hate religion should understand.

1. God is not a religion, He is a person.
2. Jesus is not a religion, He is a person.
3. Salvation is not a religious experience, it's a relationship experience.
4. Doing justly, loving mercy, and being humble is not religion but life conduct as it should be.

Religion is a set of rules to follow for man's attempt to impress God. God is not impressed with our show of piety, but the condition of our heart. But so far as religion is concerned, the only good that can come from it is that it cares for the homeless, the orphan, the widows, and the sick and those in prison. Righteousness however comes from God. Salvation comes from Jesus Christ.

The best thing for humanity is God.

There is already a movement which potentially could eradicate all religion. It's the people who contribute to the DSM doctrine, this all started about a few centuries ago but got a major boost because of pharmaceutical developments. With public schools which don't teach religion (at least in my country) and more people swapping religion for the truth that is called science, overtime religions will fade away until there will only be a few worshippers left.

Currently DSM is spreading over many countries, I'm sure it will become a dominant force in the world. It's just a lot easier to take a pill rather than think about life's deeper mysteries, to wait for a messiah or to wait for some researcher who has found a cure, it is not a difficult choice for many. Sure you can have both but there will always be folks who believe disease is God's punishment and they should endure, ultimately it cannot be reconciled. Medication is also cheaper and is less of a hassle, don't have to think about causes just take a pill each day, you only live once so what is the use of knowing about the spiritual. It's cheaper because a person might be able to function in society, consume and pay taxes, instead of having all kinds of afflictions which come with faith.

Also recent news about abuse in certain churches but also the media reports about people going on a killing spree because they heard Jesus say they should or some other religious delusion only act as catalysts.