Obama & Biden To Protect Bush Administration Criminals

Originally posted by Total Reality


Biden said that he and Obama would be “focusing on the future,” adding “I think we should be looking forward, not backwards.

All youse that supported &/or voted for the 'change' candidate
now understand that the euphanism 'change' was wrapped in his looking-forward 'future'...
and meant nothing about revoking or replacing the current system 'Status Quo'

...BO & biden both know that if they attenpt to take legal action on the previous administration...then they are setting themselves up for prosecution at the end of their term !!
So any investigation of 'crimes' is a non-starter


just some renegade cheerleaders for BO (Barrack Obama)& boy biden, seeing if they can stir up some excitement.


**Just why hasn't 'BO' caught on yet, is it because B Obama hasn't been sworn in yet?
**i don't think 'BO' is more derogatory than the 'Bubba' we all called 'Slick-Willie' Jefferson Clinton...
**unless we are waiting for the Apollo Theater acts & audience to break-the-ice & call him BO first

[edit on 22-12-2008 by St Udio]

Originally posted by DrumsRfun
All I keep seeing is more proof that Obama is the same slimy ass politician thats always the guy who lands in power.The best deceitful manipulater wins.

Well, that's how it is. Being President is about deceiving the people these days. Bush and Obama work for the same crowd. But most people don't believe this can be true because they say nice words on the television.

That's how dumb we've become...

reply to post by NuclearPaul


Yea they say nice words to get elected and then shut their mouths and don't even mention it again for the next four years. Are we really stuck with no choice of action of our own? is there anyway WE could do what BO and Biden promised but probably won't do?

Maybe they can't say out loud that they are going to do anything, maybe it means their lives if they come out and say they're going to prosecute before they're sworn in.

Being President is a public relations position between the party and the people.

It has been so since the 60's. Media changed the operative element of electoral politics forever. Bottom line, it DOESN'T matter who is in the office. They CHANGE nothing without direction from the party ideologues who seem to be immortal.

The tired old phrase of "Looking forward, NOT backwards" is a euphemism for "we dare not examine the past lest we reveal how WE ALL were complicit in the tragedy of the evisceration of the Constitution."

They are all pathetically transparent now, aren't they?

As if the protection and adherence to the Constitution is 'backwards thinking.'

And the media sells it to the zealous delight of those who can't, or won't, see that it isn't about the contest of 'winning' the presidency. It's not a sporting event. It's about our NATIONAL SOUL..., although to them it's only a NOTIONAL soul.

It doesnt suprize me.. But i didnt vote for obama/biden

'Obama' buyers remorse yet?

[edit on 23-12-2008 by Cio88]

Originally posted by Total Reality
reply to post by DrumsRfun

 

Yea, I have to admit that during the campaigns I was sucked in by him too, but after he won my reasonable mind broke through again and I was like "wait, if he's so 'for the people' why did he get elected?" lol. I feel like we're screwed no matter what...

Too bad it took you and others like you until after the election to come to reality.

It's not like people weren't telling the truth about obama before the election, put it seemed so many were 'in love' with him (obamaphiles) for unknown and unknowable reasons.

In a related matter, I just started a thread about obama deciding to keep Bush's war team at the Pentagon basically intact.

Must be plenty wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth among the obamaphiles over that news.



[edit on 12/23/2008 by centurion1211]

So, Biden said that he and Barack are going to focus on the future.

And you've all interpreted that to mean that they're going to give BushCo a pass... Have I got that right?

How many of you have read the transcript or seen this interview?

Transcript

BIDEN: But the questions of whether or not a criminal act has been committed or a very, very, very bad judgment has been engaged in is -- is something the Justice Department decides.

Barack Obama and I are -- President-elect Obama and I are not sitting thinking about the past. We're focusing on the future. Obviously, that if the Justice...

STEPHANOPOULOS: But should the cases be reviewed?

BIDEN: Well, that's a decision I'd look to the Justice Department to make.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But you're not ruling it out at this point?

BIDEN: I'm not ruling it in and not ruling it out. I just think we should look forward. I think we should be looking forward, not backwards.

What makes you think Biden and Obama would run around advertising, "Oh, yeah. We're going to throw Bush and Cheney in prison as soon as Barack takes office."

I'm not sure what they're going to do, and I hope they go after Bush, but what did you expect him to answer?

Frankly, if I had to choose to have ObamaCo focus on jailing Bush or creating 3 million jobs, I'm gonna pick the latter. And I'm no fan of Bush and Cheney. They belong behind bars. And I hope it happens. But I'm sort of glad ObamaCo will be focusing on the future, the economy, the shape of this country. If I see Cheney in the perp walk, that's just icing on the cake.

I think you guys are reading a lot more into this than is there.

[edit on 23-12-2008 by Benevolent Heretic]

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


I take it you feel that the Justice Department will handle this matter? Or that is what Biden meant? Or implied?

Shall we assume that Biden can speak for Obama on this matter? Or will this be another case of simple political rhetoric - later to be amended or revised as simple 'TV chatter'?

What is it about the law that brings only empty platitudes and the perennial 'it's someone else's job' statements flying around?

Now I wont deny the title of this article reveals the 'spin' intended. However, unless someone of President-elect Obama's magnitude pushes this issue - do you think the "justice department" is actually going to pursue this on their own impetus?

Focusing on the future is what we do when we are conscious, it is how all complex processes are accomplished. Do you think saying "we're focusing on the future' has a special meaning? I feel this is a politician's way of saying 'yeah, whatever.'

Was there ever any fire and zeal for the pursuit and confrontation of these instances of injustice or "very, very, very bad judgment?"

"...very, very, very bad judgment" there's a telling spin if I ever heard one. To me it seems very, very, very troubling that war crimes can be confused with "very, very, very bad judgment"

Max,

I actually have no idea what the Justice Dept will do. And I'm not assuming that Biden is speaking for Obama. I'm not assuming anything. I think that's the difference between me and the majority of other members in this thread.

My thought is that when Obama becomes president, he will fulfill his promises as outlined in this post. I have no reason at this time to think otherwise. I fully expect him to direct Eric Holder to look into it and I fully expect Holder to do so.

When Biden says he and Barack are "focusing on the future" I think he means that they have a huge plateful and the country is in a state that REQUIRES immediate attention. Jobs, energy and economy being the big 3. He also probably doesn't want to answer directly without having spoken specifically with Obama about releasing to the public what they plan to do about Bush, if anything.

Originally posted by Maxmars
"...very, very, very bad judgment" there's a telling spin if I ever heard one.

You're only reading half the comment... If I say someone is either an idiot or a genius, I didn't just call them an idiot. Talk about spin! He said, "a criminal act has been committed or a very, very, very bad judgment has been engaged in". That's what I mean. You're not taking everything he said into account. Only reading half his words.

I'm not willing to defend Biden here. What is important to me is what happens after inauguration. This is all speculation and a high degree of inaccurate perception of his words (which we ALL know have a reputation for being a bit "off" sometimes). I just wanted to point out the twisted interpretations I'm seeing here.

It's funny how people make fun of Biden for his infamous gaffes, but take these few words of his as though they're law... :shk:

Carry on. We shall see what happens when it happens and I'm not going to judge the new administration, before it's even in office, based on what past administrations or politicians have done. I will wait and see.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


I agree. I wish to wait and see myself as well. I suppose I need to keep my cynicism in check until such time as action is forthcoming.

I am a bit jaded, of course, the last 8 years have been a significant factor in that sad commentary. It's just that I fear that the new administration will use as an excuse the current economic debacle etc. But no one is asking the cabinet or President to 'drop everything' to settle this matter. I know it's a big job and much needs to be done, but that's what the executive branch has always been responsible for..., everything. With missing emails, and double-speaking ideologues in appointed positions that seem to supersede the elected representatives, I feel this will 'slip away' with vague platitudes and TV-speak about political witch-hunts and 'looking back' - meanwhile people are dead and maimed - and no one will answer for it....

or maybe not... like you said... we'll see.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
So, Biden said that he and Barack are going to focus on the future.

And you've all interpreted that to mean that they're going to give BushCo a pass... Have I got that right?

How many of you have read the transcript or seen this interview?

Transcript

BIDEN: But the questions of whether or not a criminal act has been committed or a very, very, very bad judgment has been engaged in is -- is something the Justice Department decides.

Barack Obama and I are -- President-elect Obama and I are not sitting thinking about the past. We're focusing on the future. Obviously, that if the Justice...

And remember who Obama has picked for his Attorney General.

Obama Considering Commission On Bush Admin Torture

For his part, Obama's expected nominee for Attorney General, Eric Holder, has long spoken out against the Bush administration's torture policy.

In 2004, for example, Holder told an American Constitution Society conference, "The notion that the Department of Justice would in essence sanction the use of torture as part of the President's plenary power over military operations is as wrong as it is shortsighted. This position flies in the face of the entire history of American law, helping to create a climate in which unnecessarily abusive conduct can somehow be considered legitimate."

Could it be that Obama plans on letting Holder take up the investigation once things get rolling?


[edit on 12/23/2008 by Keyhole]

reply to post by Keyhole


Wow I didn't even think of that but Jesus I hope so. We should flood the white house with requests for the prosecution of all the bush admin. criminals

Well the whole thought of the Bush Administration being criminals is completely theoretical. It's is unreasonable to expect anything to happen over the matter. The 9-11 theory's can not be proven true. The false evidence for the war in Iraq cannot be pinned on anybody. Not yet. In my honest opinion there is a good chance that there could have been false evidence that was reported as facts.

Part of the reason I believe that some of you are truly nuts is because these conspiracy's cannot be wide spread. You can't have that many people in on something without it leaking. What could happen is that you could have a select few people in charge that could manipulate a good amount of people. That could happen. And in that case can you really blame Bush for what he believes is right given what he was told. Key words being what he was told.

People on this website believe crazy things everyday based upon articles and videos that someone one else made. I don't hold yall responsible for some of the things you say or believe.

On another note. Do you guys really believe that Bush was the mastermind behind this whole thing? Do you?

reply to post by Styki

How can you say such a thing? Do you sympathize with Bush? Bush has done terrible things. He's basically gotten rid of all of our freedoms via the patriot act, he's wasted 4,000 lives, and he's trying to implement midnight laws to make it harder for the Obama administration to make changes. I think that Bush shouldn't be charged on trials... but... I do hope that Obama tries to undue as many of the things Bush did when he was in office.

If you guys want Obama to open the Pandora box, so be it. Just don't be crying when the next Republican administration goes after the Obama administration for any kind of crime they commit during their time in office. It will be a punishing administration for many many years every time the opposing party comes into power.

What many of you fail to realize or choose to ignore is that Congress has and had the authority to go after anybody in the Bush administration they felt committed some kind of crime. They, nor Obama or Biden himself, never went after any one of them. According to you guys the whole world knew that the Bush administration committed crimes, therefore; the assumption has to made that even Congress, Obama, and Biden were aware of the facts but chose to do nothing. This means Congress is just as guilty as Bush.
Imagine you as a civilian having knowledge that somebody was going to blow up a building or are in the process of blowing up a building but told nobody. You would be charged as an accessory even though you weren't present because you had knowledge that the crime was going to or was being committed. Why should Congress get off the hook easier than the average citizen? But I don't hear you guys screaming for Congresses head.

Finally, I believe that Congress has already given Bush and his people immunity for just about every alleged crime he has committed. Therefore, Obama and Biden can't do much even if they wanted to.

The only kind of justice any of these beast-worshipping globalists that front for the PTB will get is of the eternal variety. And it will be perfect justice, fear not.

The excuses for why Obama’s administration will ignore the crimes of his predecessor are already all over the leftist propaganda outlets. It’s obvious that it’ll be business as usual. We did get fooled again.

So what?

reply to post by resistor


Maybe what Obama meant was that he'll go after the people in the Bush administration. I don't think he's going to seriously try Bush or Cheney but I can guarentee that at least someone will be tried. I hope that at least some people from the Bush administration are tried... maybe not Bush or Cheney and co... but the Bush administration is still in power so they can't do anything/can't say much that would hurt their transition (my opinion).

Also, Bush potentially has the capability to pardon everyone that committed any wrong doing, so, they all may get out of this alive.

[edit on 24-12-2008 by Frankidealist35]