A Case for Genocide - A More Orderly & Efficient Reincarnation Process?

woah woops .. MODS can you please put this in Religious Discussion?
thanks. my bad.


WARNING - This is NOT a thread for Christian or Islamic discussion.

I believe in your right to think what you want to about reality based on books that you were taught to believe in...
But for the sake of this discussion PLEASE stay out.. as it will be
COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC.




Simple as day -

GIVEN the instance...
that reincarnation exists..as THE basic machinery of divine soul processing in our world... as every major religion save Christianity and Islam hold true..

IF the highest minds of our time, knew this.. or at least postulated it.. and created a sociological scenario that would produce the most efficient method of individuals actually "reincarnating" in the most DIRECT and efficient manner (rather than chaotic)...
What would that scenario "look like"... globally..?


What would the most ideal situation be, socially.... to exist in.. in order to produce the most efficient means of coming back into the "material world".. and evolving our souls through interactions with each other?

Would we base this on circumstance?

meaning.. that the "environment" that we are raised in .. severely / absolutely influences our ability to become more able in our surroundings.. therefor being more cognitive of our spiritual purpose.. technology and efficiency.. convenience. .be LESSENING the primitive drives and inefficient aspects of existence.. giving way to an existence that would equal .. "MORE TIME" to spend focused on interacting with one another and pressing ourselves toward more technological and spiritually advanced levels.

now..

if we actually take the world's population and reduce the rate of reproduction to such an extent.. that we eventually end up with

50% elites in a technocratic dictatorship of the world..

and

50% of a "serfdom" .. of individuals that "love to serve"..

then what we have done..

is created an environment..

where ...when we die..

we have limited the chances that we incarnate into an elite or a serf.. 50/50.


that's alot better than the rates now .. which are what?...

like if the elite are 2% of the planet.. that's 2% of 6.7 billion...
"As of November 2008, the world's population is estimated to be about 6.7 billion " en.wikipedia.org...

elite = 134,000,000

so say the feudal masses are reduced to the same number.
an easily controllable size, given the amassing of technological prowess and genetic / psychological knowledge obtained by the upper crust etc...

if REINCARNATION is the METHOD as to which we as SOULS thread ourselves in and out of existence...

then would it NOT be a most logical and BRIGHT idea.. to INCREASE the rate of chance as to how/when/where we reincarnate?

would you rather live in a world where you have a 1 in a trillion chance of reincarnating as someone who can see all the knowledge and collective information about life and existence and USE that knowledge to reach a higher state of "being"...

or would you want those chances increase to a 50/50 situation??

I mean that's the best you can do right?
and eventally.. over time .. reduce the amount of serfs until there is nothing..and we are ALL eventually reincarnating as the highest level of knowledge of our culture.

I mean.. you can nay-say the "elites" as people that want your doom all you want... but they're the educated.. the individuals that hold knowledge.. whether you like it or not.

whether you see this all as "evil" doesn't matter.
this is a CASE where..
we are literally.. one THING.. and it's being IMPROVED.

I'd like to say as an addendum here.. that I'm sure that if this IS being carried out as a specific means to an ends.. according to certain ideologies..

that YES .. there very well may be the "carriage" ...the "embarrassing weight of burden" of poisoned and dysfunctional souls.. the elites that carry the "higher than though" mentality" etc.. thus is going to be hastened...
the personalities most visible as "elites" in the daily press ... the media.. the "paris hiltons" etc... (embarrassing.. YES)... resultant excrement..

this archetype is a .."residue" of this transformational stage... and eventually shunned.. wiped off the cusp, as it were...
into the lower levels.. the first to be reincarnated lowest of low, beyond the lowest of the serfs....
JUST as the higher thinking serf are the FIRST to be reincarnated into th welcoming arms of the newly incarnated elites.... etc..


JUST hypothetically.. for all you worriers and finger pointers...


DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT SUPPORTING GENOCIDE.

I AM MERELY SAYING if OUR SITUATION WAS THAT THERE WAS A 50/50 CUT AMONG ELITES AND SERFS AND REINCARNATION WAS REAL .. AND WE REINCARNATED AS BOTH.. IN AND OUT OF THE TWO SECTS.. WHICH SITUATION WOULD BE BEST.. MANY SERFS OR NOT SO MANY.. IN COMPARISON TO THE HIGHER MINDED...



I'd prefer a hard and honest cut and dry SPIRITUALLY minded analysis of this presentation of ideas.


remember... no christian /islam bible/koran thumping... ...
and this discussion is based on the ASSUMPTION.. that REINCARNATION is FACT... I'm not saying it IS.. I'm just saying that this conversation says it is.. before you start thinking.

and no satan, jesus, lucifer, talk please...

(MODS can you please pay attention to this as that would be off topic thanks)


thnx.

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[edit on 19-12-2008 by prevenge]

Well, how many souls want to actually incarnate at all?
By cutting the population down by any means, you automatically lengthen a possible 'waiting list' to be allowed to (re)incarnate.

IMHO, we choose our lives beforehand, where we want to go, what we want to learn and what we want to teach. I don't think I'm a better person because I happen to be one of the (statisticly) few people on this planet that have had breakfast, are literate, even have a job AND the honour of having a day off!


BB,
Sammy



(p.s. and that splitting headache is reminding me that I wasn't a good soul yesterday :lol

Originally posted by Aldolas
Well, how many souls want to actually incarnate at all?
By cutting the population down by any means, you automatically lengthen a possible 'waiting list' to be allowed to (re)incarnate.

well sammy..
I've thought of that many many times...

and what was the waiting list last century, when around 1950, we had around 2.5 billion humans born and conscious on this planet...



what is it now? 6.5?

It's a question that can be asked upon itself inversely.
And what I mean is that ..was that "reincarnation waiting list" a lesser one in the 1950's? and when you're "waiting" to be reincarnated.. are you applicable to material-world laws??
are you playing to space-time the way we know it.. when you pass over to another state of being after your physical body dies.. do you experience "time" the way WE know it? and if not.. then what's the problem?.. and also..
IS that our responsibility to care about??..
because ..WHAT other route do we take.. when we compare resources and space, energy and ecology?...mouths to feed etc...

we're situating ourselves in an environment, where, because of the massive urge to "rutt" (reproduce).. and the exacerbated numbers of us.. combined.. that we're in a situation where it's expanding exponentially.. and we don't have the rudimentary ability to REACH EACH MIND as efficiently as we would if there were less.

IMHO, we choose our lives beforehand, where we want to go, what we want to learn and what we want to teach. I don't think I'm a better person because I happen to be one of the (statisticly) few people on this planet that have had breakfast, are literate, even have a job AND the honour of having a day off!

I've thought of the "we choose our lives" .. methodology before.. I've read about it etc...
and if we truly want to bring about a "living in spirit" lifestyle.. here. on earth..
then eventually we're going to have to understand the QUANTIFIABLE ACTUALITY of ...
how and why that WORKS..

as in.. why do you choose a specific genetic pool to reincarnate into?

obviously this wont be that important as we begin to experience this all consciously.. but EVENTUALLY.. in the DISTANT future.. we're going to be able to scientifically quantify WHY we actually need to go to other specific human genetic combinations in order to learn and improve ourselves.


But regardless of all the technicality of that all..
It still leaves a chasm of understanding in ....

this .. thinning.. thickening....

of more people existing.. more souls...

less people existing...less souls...

are those souls waiting in a timeless space?
some people say we don't reincarnate as "people" all the time...

I don't pledge to that ideology.. I think reincarnation is mainly an intellectually "ascendancy" process where .. you pretty much RISE in awareness...


so maybe if there are less people to be reincarnated INTO...

we can take a more intellecual and precise methodology in exacting ..
who goes where..
and take ACTION on this.. and make it our OWN?...

just some thoughts.. thanks for your response.

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[edit on 19-12-2008 by prevenge]