Evolution is Science, Creationists Delusional

Originally posted by spy66
This is what happen when someone is under the Darwin spell. And it will not stop until there is no more to Google.

well if theres no more to google ill just go scan documents and post those

Now let me say.
I am a white man. And if i moved to Africa which would be a radical change of environment form where i am from "Norway". Would i become a Negro in a couple of yeas. No!!!

what part of evolutionary theory says you should?

Would i become a Negro after a 100 years. No!!!!

what part of evolutionary theory says you should?

and you would probably be dead which is the only real roadblock to evolution

Would i become a Negro after a million years. No!!!!!

you would still be dead so no

I couldn't even become a Lion if i tried. No cause or change could ever make that happen. The only thing that would change is my tan.

not when your dead it wont youll lose the abilty to tan and your skin to be tanned

What if i brought my Dog to Africa. Would it become a Lion after a year. NO!!!

what part of evolutionary theory says it should?

Would it become a Lion after a 100 years. No!!!

what part of evolutionary theory says you should?

and it would be dead too they live shorter lives then humans

Would it become a Lion after millions of years. No!!!

it would still be dead

My dog couldn't even become a Tree if it tried. No mater the cause.

well as evolution asys this cant happen then what exctly are you trying to prove? things die? and stay dead for long periods of time?

Can plants mate with animals or humans.NO!!! Just that thought should ring a bell.

that evolution says it cant heppen so if it did evolution would be wrong

Man that has to be one hell of a intelligent design. And what a cause and effect that would be.

not really

all you have proven is things die and not all species can produce viable offspring which is exactly what evolution predicts, and so does ID

You will never find my DNA in a Lion unless it eats me. But that dont mean a lion will become a Human. Even if it eats a lot of humans it will never become a Human.

no becasue it will become dead most likley, people frown on that kind of thing

and once again what part of evolutionary theory says it should?

I will not become a tree or flower just because i am going be buried in the ground when i die. You Will not find any of my DNA strings there ever.

what part of evolutionary theory says it should?

I laugh at this.

your not the only one

What noobfun is saying might be a fact, hell if i know. But that sure ain't the case now. The only thing a radical cause will do now is to make us instinct or reduced. If we loose our technology we would become savages again. Or maybe monkey's Hell if i know.

if we lost technology we would become an endagered species fast, as we are so reliant on it

natural selection in action, the less fit will die the more fit (those that retain knowledge to survive in natural enviroments will survive)

If we loose everything, do to a radical change maybe we would become something else then a human in a million years. Sound quite reasonable. Right noobfun!!! Maybe we will grow some tools LoL.

why would an organic organism grow none organic apendages?

we make tools not grow them, we dont grow cars do we? spades? matches?

If the planet had a new flood maybe the best swimmers would adapt gills and become fish,before they drawn.

nope not unles it was an extremley slow flood and even then most species would die out

And when the flood disappeared the fish would grow a monkey brain and monkey body and start human history all over again >LoL

probabily not

put through exactly the same enviromental stress's there are always more then one solution to the same problem so no guarantees, chances are no that wouldnt happen after mass extinctions the survivors go thier on ways ratehr then recreate what was there before

I wonder why we dont see the fish adapt to live on land more often.

because most fish dont livbe in enviroments it would be of any major benefit theres as much competition up here as there is in water now, but some still live inbetween making the best of both worlds

I wonder why we dont see more monkeys become human.

different evolutionary track, you thinking about what is here now not what was there then

Maybe we have to wait a billion years first. Because not all the monkeys where as lucky as we where a million years ago.

our luck really started abouted 10,000 years ago and the extremly stable enviroment the world is currently in, its starting to chnage more rapidly hough now so stick around and see what happens

Or maybe if we stopped hunting them they would evolve and become something else.

they are still evolving and us hunting them is part of the enviromental pressure they face

african elephants are evolving towards tuskless-ness becasue of predatorial pressure from poachers

This is just a bunch of bull. Humans are humans monkeys are monkeys,And fish is fish.

which is exactly what evolution says we should find today when we look at living organisms, your mixing what is with what was again

we dont find jurassic bunnies or precambrian bunnies

we dont find jurasic monkies or precambrian monkies

we do find them today becasue thats where evolution lead us too

Sorry but i am getting tired of this stuff. Keep up the good work guys!! you will figure it out. I have faith in you

2 hands in work can achieve far greater then a milion clasped in prayer

Originally posted by Aermacchi

Yeah and one types his "essay posts" as if a 5th grader and the other one has a 180 IQ! Isn't that special. That is what's so nice about the internet, you can say you are a rocket scientist or say you believe in multiverses and quantum universes

or say a book written in 2000 discusses and discredits something found in 2004? *cough* didnt you do that in the other thread?

ridicule is not a substitue for substance of argument brings facts figures not name calling and gross generalisations and misrepresentation

yet not believe in things that need no cause to exist

but cannot be proven to exist

and it cant be proven wrong/cant be proven right is not an exact 50/50 chance representation, probability shows if it cant be proven to exist the weight is shifted to the doesnt exist camp of thinking until such time as evidence is presented



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Originally posted by Aermacchi
Yeah and one types his "essay posts" as if a 5th grader and the other one has a 180 IQ! Isn't that special. That is what's so nice about the internet, you can say you are a rocket scientist or say you believe in multiverses and quantum universes yet not believe in things that need no cause to exist calling it illogical when logic goes out the window in the quantum world

You're the one that brought up my intelligence to begin with. I politely pointed out that I'm labeled as a genius by today's standards. That really doesn't matter at all though, does it? What matters is the points that are brought up - you know, the ones you keep ignoring...
You had a problem with the slim odds of abiogenesis, to which I (and noob) explained how it would be more than possible in our vast universe.
What else do you have?
More misunderstandings of evolution?

You fail to see that you expect atheists to have all the answers and yet you won't even look at the flaws in your own belief.
I'll make this clear right now: no one has all the answers, though many like to pretend they do.

Originally posted by spy66
Now let me say.
I am a white man. And if i moved to Africa which would be a radical change of environment form where i am from "Norway". Would i become a Negro in a couple of yeas. No!!! Would i become a Negro after a 100 years. No!!!!
Would i become a Negro after a million years. No!!!!! I couldn't even become a Lion if i tried. No cause or change could ever make that happen. The only thing that would change is my tan.

lol...
Just keep giving us evidence of how you know nothing about how evolution works.

Originally posted by spy66
What if i brought my Dog to Africa. Would it become a Lion after a year. NO!!! Would it become a Lion after a 100 years. No!!! Would it become a Lion after millions of years. No!!! My dog couldn't even become a Tree if it tried. No mater the cause.

Where do you get this stuff??
Seriously man?!
Just look at wikipedia's page on evolution for 2 minutes and you're realize how completely absurd your straw man argument is.
It's not that hard at all - just read for 2 minutes about what evolution is (on something OTHER THAN a creationist website) and you will at least know the basics...
This is just embarassing...

Originally posted by TruthParadox

You're the one that brought up my intelligence to begin with. I politely pointed out that I'm labeled as a genius by today's standards. That really doesn't matter at all though, does it? What matters is the points that are brought up - you know, the ones you keep ignoring...
You had a problem with the slim odds of abiogenesis, to which I (and noob) explained how it would be more than possible in our vast universe.
What else do you have?
More misunderstandings of evolution?

No actually it was you who started in with the "I'm smarter then YOU are Nyaa nya nyaa nyaaaa nyaaa" when you said:

LOL...
I criticized you for not understanding evolution

You fail to see that you expect atheists to have all the answers

You're the one with the 180 IQ Genius, so yeah I'd expect some but I ain't holding my breath.

Lets make something crystal clear Mr 180 I.Q. I don't expect Atheists to know jack squat and whenever I am in a debate over the creation or evolution threads, it is Atheists who are the lions share of those in opposition to me. If you want to say your IQ doesn't matter, let me also assure you it does not moreover if you are going to say it doesn't then don't make me the "excuse" you needed to mention it. I don't give a rats azz what your IQ is ESPECIALLY when you don't come off like anyone that smart. What are the odds of a 180 I.Q. like 1 in a million? No don't bother looking it really doesn't matter as the reason I mention this is simply that I DON'T BELIEVE YOU!

There it is oh and those other "points" you keep bringing up that you accuse me of ignoring wasn't me ignoring them, it was me

IGNORING YOU.

Or any other "blowhard" claiming to be such a genius acting as if they know what they are talking about when they don't. The questions you ask are great for another thread anout another topic but comparing evolution to God and how much more unlikely a God issue could have brought this or that about, is kind of silly to someone like me.

You see, where I come from, GOD can do anything he wants, even be illogical and if you don't like it I don't think he cares a whole lot about your itty bitty IQ when his is trillions and trillions of times higher or as you said "infintely" . Guess the only thing he can say to someone like you is that you are trillions and trillions more ignorant. Why would a God like that even care about lil ole us.

I don't know, why don't you come as a child and ask him yourself. His answer might surprise you. I never asked it and it was never important to me.

Both you and noob think you can destroy IC by showing some idiotic videos where the first thing they do in each of them is setup straw men?

taking a part of the preset complex system of an organism and then stating that it must have somehow got there by evolution. Then how did it evolve? You leave out all the biomolecular process in ignorance. And how could intermediate species incorporate it all.

Then we have the old standby called "time" where again given enough time blah blah blah. You know how silly you think creationists are for using the "God did it" answer?

I feel the same way about Darwinists when ever they say "Time did it"

Yeah riiiight

pffffT








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Originally posted by Aermacchi
No actually it was you who started in with the "I'm smarter then YOU are Nyaa nya nyaa nyaaaa nyaaa" when you said:

LOL...
I criticized you for not understanding evolution

No - I never said I'm smarter than you.
I simply pointed out that you don't understand evolution.
That's just a fact - as myself and others have seen you misunderstand evolution numerous times on this thread.

Originally posted by Aermacchi

You fail to see that you expect atheists to have all the answers

You're the one with the 180 IQ Genius, so yeah I'd expect some but I ain't holding my breath.

IQ has nothing to do with having the answers.
I'm smart enough to know that I can't possibly have the answers.
People like you delude yourself into believing that you can know - true genius realizes that we're all inferior.

Originally posted by Aermacchi
Lets make something crystal clear Mr 180 I.Q. I don't expect Atheists to know jack squat and whenever I am in a debate over the creation or evolution threads, it is Atheists who are the lions share of those in opposition to me.

You sure like bringing my intellegence into the discussion rather than your own. I wonder why that is .
But you do expect atheists to have all the answers - in the sense that you will only take any of our beliefs with a grain of salt unless we have all the solutions. You then use this to say "see, you don't have all the answers therefore evolution is wrong and God must exist".

Originally posted by Aermacchi
If you want to say your IQ doesn't matter, let me also assure you it does not moreover if you are going to say it doesn't then don't make me the "excuse" you needed to mention it.

You constantly insulted myself and others by saying "sherlock", "genius", and my personal favorite - referring to me as a "six year old".
Since you know nothing of my stature, I can only assume that "six year old" was another jab at my intelligence.
Since the matter of intelligence was brought up by you, I thought it would be amusing to see your response at hearing my "Intelligence Quota". But the truth is, both you and I know that you weren't really insulting my intelligence, you were merely grasping at straws as you could not compete against the arguments that were presented.
Even now you prove this point.

Originally posted by Aermacchi
I don't give a rats azz what your IQ is ESPECIALLY when you don't come off like anyone that smart.

You only give a 'rats azz' about my intelligence when you're insulting it?
Ok, slick... Whatever helps you sleep at night.
I wonder what Jesus would have to say about your insults...

Originally posted by Aermacchi
What are the odds of a 180 I.Q. like 1 in a million? No don't bother looking it really doesn't matter as the reason I mention this is simply that I DON'T BELIEVE YOU!

Actually geniuses aren't as rare as most people think lol...
You don't believe me - that's fine.
Then ignore the number - it truly means little except in the respect of solving puzzles.
Instead look at the arguments.
Oh that's right - you can't. Ad hominem is all you have.

Originally posted by Aermacchi
There it is oh and those other "points" you keep bringing up that you accuse me of ignoring wasn't me ignoring them, it was me

IGNORING YOU.

But you aren't ignoring me.
You haven't missed a chance to insult my intelligence.
If you've been ignoring me, then you've been doing a piss poor job at it.

Originally posted by Aermacchi
Or any other "blowhard" claiming to be such a genius acting as if they know what they are talking about when they don't.

YOU'RE the one that claims to know the mysteries of the Universe.
YOU'RE the one that says that abiogenesis could not have happened, even though you know next to nothing about our universe to make such a determination.
YOU'RE the one trying to disprove evolution when you don't even know the basics.
All that I've said is that we don't have the knowledge of our universe to know 100%, but I did prestent answers to your quesions.

Originally posted by Aermacchi
The questions you ask are great for another thread anout another topic but comparing evolution to God and how much more unlikely a God issue could have brought this or that about, is kind of silly to someone like me.

Every argument against God is "kind of silly" to someone like you.
That is the effect of faith.

Originally posted by Aermacchi
You see, where I come from, GOD can do anything he wants, even be illogical and if you don't like it I don't think he cares a whole lot about your itty bitty IQ when his is trillions and trillions of times higher or as you said "infintely" .

That's your belief and you're welcome to it.
But you just made the point I was trying to make the whole time.
You try using logic against OUR belief, but when logic is directed your way, it suddenly doesn't apply.
Can't you see that? Or are you just blind?

Originally posted by Aermacchi
Guess the only thing he can say to someone like you is that you are trillions and trillions more ignorant. Why would a God like that even care about lil ole us.

He is a figment of your imagination - I hardly think he'll be saying anything to anyone besides you.

Originally posted by Aermacchi
Both you and noob think you can destroy IC by showing some idiotic videos where the first thing they do in each of them is setup straw men?

I've never presented a video.

Originally posted by Aermacchi
Then we have the old standby called "time" where again given enough time blah blah blah. You know how silly you think creationists are for using the "God did it" answer?

I feel the same way about Darwinists when ever they say "Time did it"

Time produces change.
If you don't like that fact then go read your Bible and delude yourself some more.
But where logic is concerned, you've made no compelling arguments.

Originally posted by Aermacchi
pffffT

PffffT, indeed.

Originally posted by Aermacchi

No actually it was you who started in with the "I'm smarter then YOU are Nyaa nya nyaa nyaaaa nyaaa" when you said:

LOL...
I criticized you for not understanding evolution

you plainly dont when you think micro/macro evolution are two entirely seperate processes, like flicking a switch

macro is the aknowledgment of a build up of micro changes reaching a certain level of change within the breeding populations physiology and or genetics

You're the one with the 180 IQ Genius, so yeah I'd expect some but I ain't holding my breath.

we can hope cant we

Lets make something crystal clear Mr 180 I.Q. I don't expect Atheists to know jack squat and whenever I am in a debate over the creation or evolution threads,

see thats the problem we expect people to know what they are talking about before they wade in and start throwing personal comment and belief around willynilly

it is Atheists who are the lions share of those in opposition to me.

yes very few athiests hold to religeous creation myths, not really a suprise is it,

If you want to say your IQ doesn't matter, let me also assure you it does not moreover if you are going to say it doesn't then don't make me the "excuse" you needed to mention it.

so why spend so much of your wording dedicated to berating someones intelligence if it means so little? consistancy issues? again

I don't give a rats azz what your IQ is ESPECIALLY when you don't come off like anyone that smart. What are the odds of a 180 I.Q. like 1 in a million? No don't bother looking it really doesn't matter as the reason I mention this is simply that I DON'T BELIEVE YOU!

well at 1:1,000,000

with the earths population as of november 2008 bieng estimated at 6.7 billion shall we do some fun maths?

6,700,000,000,000(earths population) / 1,000,000 = 6,700,000 people with a 180 IQ if your 1:million is correct, 6.7million of them isnt really that rare

thats the beauty of the internet you dont have to believe him and we dont have to believe you have a clue what your talking about, the only way to really show anything is with data not just pretty wording that attempts to mislead and twist

Or any other "blowhard" claiming to be such a genius acting as if they know what they are talking about when they don't.

pot/kettle?

The questions you ask are great for another thread anout another topic but comparing evolution to God and how much more unlikely a God issue could have brought this or that about, is kind of silly to someone like me.

] when you spend so much time expressing the opinion poor grammar and spelling errors express a lack of intelligence(using spell checker does not require much beyond button pushing so is a poor measure) its best to not then make mistakes with yours

You see, where I come from, GOD can do anything he wants, even be illogical and if you don't like it I don't think he cares a whole lot about your itty bitty IQ when his is trillions and trillions of times higher or as you said "infintely" .

shouldnt that be infinitely?

thats nice for you, where we come from reality, data, observations, and accuracy and honesty are more important then just what you think is right

Guess the only thing he can say to someone like you is that you are trillions and trillions more ignorant.

whoa where did the clarity of text go?

more ignorant by a measure of trillions - has more clarity

well i think we shall await him, any idea when he will be arriving? ill get some coffee and biscuits ready

Both you and noob think you can destroy IC by showing some idiotic videos where the first thing they do in each of them is setup straw men?

a strawman is a simplification in order to attack the subject

a simplification to aid understanding is not a strawman,

"One can set up a straw man in the following ways:

1) Present a misrepresentation of the opponent's position, refute it, and pretend that the opponent's actual position has been refuted.

2) Quote an opponent's words out of context — i.e., choose quotations that are not representative of the opponent's actual intentions.

3) Present someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, refute that person's arguments, and pretend that every upholder of that position, and thus the position itself, has been defeated.

4) Invent a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs that are criticized, and pretend that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.

5) Oversimplify a person's argument into a simple analogy, which can then be attacked."

you do have a tendacy to use 1,2 and 5 when discussing evolution

taking a part of the preset complex system of an organism and then stating that it must have somehow got there by evolution.

are you refering to the abiogenesis video? where it is not taking somthing apart but a description of what has been created by the Szostak labs using nothing more then enviromental factors

Then how did it evolve? You leave out all the biomolecular process in ignorance.

it self formed and then became prone to competition (driven by osmotic pressures and thermodynamics) from other vesicles and enviromental factors, the very deffintion of natural selection its self

Then we have the old standby called "time" where again given enough time blah blah blah. You know how silly you think creationists are for using the "God did it" answer?

time did not do it! genetic mutation, natural selection and in higher organisms then lippid vesicle protocells breeding isolation brings about change, they can be measured in time but are not made by time

I feel the same way about Darwinists when ever they say "Time did it"

then they are as ignorant to believe evolution is driven by the passage of time

it is carried out in a universe that has time as one of its dimensions(ours)

time can be a limiting factor, but is not part of the process. evolution happens in any length of time that will allow the organism to breed



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reply to post by centrifugal


Your way of explaning things is "theist;" wanting to be Christian while still complying with modern science. Creation has MORE relavence to the facts we find today than evolution. Compare the simplest living cell to a watch. If you put all the parts of a watch in a box and stir it around, the chance of a flawless watch coming together is nonexistant.
Plus, when a giraffe "evolved" a long neck, at a certain length, when the animal bends down to drink, it's brain would implode from the blood rushing down the neck. Current giraffes have valves in the neck that prevent this from happening. The chance that the organ "evolved" purely by chance is also nonexistant.

lets address somthing i skipped over earlier

or rather adressed incorrectly

Originally posted by AermacchiBoth you and noob think you can destroy IC by showing some idiotic videos where the first thing they do in each of them is setup straw men?

a strawman is a simplification in order to attack the subject, so can you show where they are and how they are strawmen arguments?

that religeons have creation myths that usually rely on an element of the supernatural of one form or another? with only 2 or 3 exceptions

that abiogenesis and evolution deal with very different things? 1 deals with how life formed, the other with what then happened

maybe its the 4 main creationist arguments

spontaneous generation of organisms is impossible, fancy words for life from none life which your self have said earlier along with the things cant just appear

poor use of probability? you did that only a few replies back

the exact words from Ben Steins infamous and well known sham of a documentary? and its not a quote mine either as it reflects accuratley the intention of what he maent when he used those words

that the miller uray experiment didnt produce life? i can find plenty of examples of creationists saying that, and as the experiment wasnt designed to form life it did exactly what it was supposed to

maybe its the comparative metaphors you object to? but they are not strawman arguments they are comparative metaphors

when i called strawman on your strawfish with a suntan and you called me on it i was honest enough too directly address it and show exactly what part and why it was a strawman argument

maybe you will be as honest and show us where it makes strawman arguments and why they are simplifications of commonly used arguments made in order to atatck them, ive reposted the video below, if this isnt the one then please repost that one and describe the strawmen and how they are such











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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS

Your way of explaning things is "theist;" wanting to be Christian while still complying with modern science. Creation has MORE relavence to the facts we find today than evolution.

really?

Compare the simplest living cell to a watch.

no we wont, the first living cells were no where near as complex as thier modern equivalents so its a failed analogy to begin with

lets compare it to a ball and a cup in a box, rattle it around see if the ball ends up in the cup, sounds like a fun game i call marketting rights

actually fatty vesicles attract and trap lippids so think of it as a cup with velcro inside, and a ball with velcro on the outside of it and rattle them around a lets see if the ball goes in the cup

If you put all the parts of a watch in a box and stir it around, the chance of a flawless watch coming together is nonexistant.

i agree

but organisms are flawed in one way or another were all mutanats after all,

and watches dont breed with variance and are not subject to natural selection,

so if i put a chopped up human in a box and stir it around and a living person doesnt pop out the other end this by your comparrative argument should prove that watch mechanics are faulty

and its not a game of chance, its not roulette, and this isnt even evolution its abiogenesis

Plus, when a giraffe "evolved" a long neck, at a certain length, when the animal bends down to drink, it's brain would implode from the blood rushing down the neck. Current giraffes have valves in the neck that prevent this from happening. The chance that the organ "evolved" purely by chance is also nonexistant.

well you have valves in your veins to prevent back flow of blood, and if we have them and almost all(possibly all) mammals has them then why should the giraffee be any different?

it uses exactly the same system to combat gravity to get blood to its brain when upright as it does to prevent gravity rushing blood to the brain when it lowers its head, its a modified version of that found in almost all mammals

so as its neck got longer and the system evolved to keep a steady flow of blood going up it also has a strong enough system used in reverse(simple muscle contractions) to stop it rushing back down

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TruthParadox


No - I never said I'm smarter than you.
I simply pointed out that you don't understand evolution.
That's just a fact - as myself and others have seen you misunderstand evolution numerous times on this thread.

Hey guy,,,, Just because I don't agree with your nonsensical explanation of evolution does NOT mean I do not understand it, I just don't see ANY PROOF! Note: the last words you hear Dawkins say on this clip and then tell me at what point does the essence of life in Darwinian terms actually begin? You will hear what I have already said in my first post and the Idea that Dawkins believes but can not prove where Mel says I am wrong in my interpretation looking at Dawkins quote from his own website, we see the truth given to us in that video by BigWhammy who by the way is a member here and one who has owned so called genius's on these boards in so many debates it would be hard to count.



If you can answer that then tell me what you think the "essence" of life is? What is it that makes us animated. What can make life from non living matter?

IQ has nothing to do with having the answers.

Then why did you tell us what yours is and don't say I keep bringing it up when YOU are the one who used it in the same dialogue we are having regarding Darwinian Evolution. You can try to turn this around all you want and accuse me of being a name caller but I see you save your indignation when it comes to noobfun who has done that to everyone in this thread who opposed his worldview.

I'm smart enough to know that I can't possibly have the answers. People like you delude yourself into believing that you can know - true genius realizes that we're all inferior.

Yeah well you aren't as smart as you just said because you are typical of those who condemn information from any other then label it and never investigate it because you simply have not listened to it. Like the issue with IQ you start playing tit for tat, ok fine, Ill set you straight on that too. like the issue with MY intelligence, saying I don't understand evolution when I simply don't agree that anyone can prove molecules to man macro evolution because I have seen no mountain of proof. O yeah, I HEAR about the so called mountain by every evolutionist on these boards but there is a bigger mountain of fraud deceptive art renderings that they just allow and then we have people like noob saying Science corrected problems like piltdown but for forty five years Darwinists back then did the same thing you are thinking you got all the answers when your answers fall flat when you look at the evidence

true genius realizes that we're all inferior.

Ironically, that is EXACTLY what I think, that we have ALL sinned and fallen short and that is what I am told reading the bible. So when you say things like the below quote:

You sure like bringing my intellegence into the discussion rather than your own. I wonder why that is .

First of all Mr 180 IQ it is "Intelligence" NOT "intellegence", and this is why you see, it isn't that I am bringing your intelligence into the discussion but rather calling your intelligence into question. Isn't that really why you felt it necessary to disclose your 180 IQ? I know you wouldn't admit that anyway so I guess Ill have to suffer through reading more of your staggering intellect, the same intellect that confuses said sarcasm for a genuine complement actually saying thank you to me then using it again when it is convenient to accuse me of making some sort of ad-hom in the same voice you describe your own posts as "polite".

Since the matter of intelligence was brought up by you, I thought it would be amusing to see your response at hearing my "Intelligence Quota".

If you think it would amuse you to hear my response than just let me tell you how much it amused ME when you said it. I found it hysterical and you groping for straws. I mean after all isn't that what YOU said I was doing when you couldn't make up your mind about my calling your IQ into question?

Here let me re-cap for you.
You said :

You constantly insulted myself and others by saying "sherlock", "genius", and my personal favorite - referring to me as a "six year old". Since you know nothing of my stature, I can only assume that "six year old" was another jab at my intelligence.

Then you said:

the truth is, both you and I know that you weren't really insulting my intelligence, you were merely grasping at straws as you could not compete against the arguments that were presented.
Even now you prove this point.

So which is it?

More than that is where you I couldn't compete against the arguments that were presented. I find this additionally more hilarious, again Ill say WHAT ARGUMENTS? I have seen NONE and have only seen the typical rhetoric passed off as facts of science by Atheist/evolutionists which in fact is what you, Mel and noob all are. Nothing you have said impressed me as evidential proof of anything but your own religious like faith in a dogmatic anti theist presuppositions of an old theory which has no basis no cohesive cogent argument and Ill suggest to noob not to bother with answering me as I will not suffer through his garbled dis contextual muffed up mixed up spelling and grammar errors. Trying to read all that "stuff" is just too much exercise trying to decipher such poorly written posts. If it is worth posting for him then it should be worth posting well enough for the average reader to understand it.

You think I haven't seen this kind of Atheist sophistry before? I have and it is the same kind of garbage that ONLY makes sense when one already believes Darwinian Evolution is true otherwise it makes no sense because it isn't Science when you make the evidence fit the theory. Ken Miller does this all the time and makes the logical fallacy of assuming the consequent.

EXAMPLE:



while noobfun announces his explanations of accumulated attributes over time this idea was proven wrong long ago and was accepted as wrong as evolution is wrong and caught dead in its lying pathetic and stupid tracks. Just like Louis Pasteur killed the idea of life coming from non life and millers experiments have been debunked so has this idea of accumulated genetic change over time:



Noobs Video about how the eye was formed again uses the logical fallacy of assuming the consequent and again fails the Scientific method.

You only give a 'rats azz' about my intelligence when you're insulting it? I wonder what Jesus would have to say about your insults...

Atheists, always trying to get us to live up to that goody goody Christian Reputation as if Jesus loves the Atheist and came here to save them too. First, what the hell do you care when you don't believe in God, and second, why are you changing your mind again? I thought I was only grasping at straws because I wasn't smart enough to counter the competing arguments?

Every argument against God is "kind of silly" to someone like you.

Yes I think that is what I said

You try using logic against OUR belief, but when logic is directed your way, it suddenly doesn't apply.

Try using it and see what happens. So far i have seen nothing but your predispositions to your Atheist doctrine of Evolutionist blind faith just as i have seen with Noobfun. Evolution is dead dude, The Cambrian explosion steps on it, DNA concluded it, living fossils refute it, mathematics annihilated it, paleontology argues against it. The complexity of the eye in creatures that have not changed in millions and millions of years having eyes as complex as ours disproves it.

Stuff like this just cracks me up as it isn't something to think about as the creator of the video says at the end



But it is something to laugh about. Anyone believing in such idiocy is delusional. By the way, just like the many transitions from fish to man you see in the video, the Cambrian doesn't show that and the few plausible transitional they have are too few in number and too much speculation surrounding them with the rest being out and out frauds that are busted again by what few honest people left in what Ill call Science's answer to their own red light district, Evolutionary Biology.

This is the camp I see here and as much as Atheist / Evolutionists may disparage this piece of work, they can not deny it is exactly what we find when in the halls of academics at today's Universities.




Here are a couple quotes from people who actually DID have a Higher IQ than say,, you and I.

"The entire universe is a cryptogram set by the Almighty." - Sir Isaac Newton

"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details." -Albert Einstein




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I will not waste another 15 minutes of my time re-explaining my words to you. Simply reread my last post and try to understand it this time. If that doesn't work then try taking some reading classes.

But just to respond to a couple things:

Originally posted by Aermacchi
Here are a couple quotes from people who actually DID have a Higher IQ than say,, you and I.

"The entire universe is a cryptogram set by the Almighty." - Sir Isaac Newton

"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details." -Albert Einstein

Yay - another creationist who mistakenly beleives that Albert Einstein was a creationist... There's a new one .
Oh, and Sir Isaac Newton? That's not really fair - he couldn't have known any better... There were really no alternatives to Creationism then...

Originally posted by Aermacchi
First of all Mr 180 IQ it is "Intelligence" NOT "intellegence"

Yay. Even though I spelled it right all the other times (6) in my post and it was clearly a typo - you hand pick the one time I slipped up in an effort to (once again) attack my intelligence.
Good for you.

Originally posted by Aermacchi
and this is why you see, it isn't that I am bringing your intelligence into the discussion but rather calling your intelligence into question.

Same thing...

Originally posted by Aermacchi
Isn't that really why you felt it necessary to disclose your 180 IQ?

Please refer to my last post where I explain everything to you as I would a "six year old".

Originally posted by TruthParadox


Yay - another creationist who mistakenly beleives that Albert Einstein was a creationist... There's a new one

.
Oh, and Sir Isaac Newton? That's not really fair - he couldn't have known any better... There were really no alternatives to Creationism then...

There is REALLY, no alternative today either genius and oh by the way,, I never DID say what I thought einstein believed. I just quoted what he said and,, presumably,,

what HE believed.

Yay. Even though I spelled it right all the other times (6) in my post and it was clearly a typo - you hand pick the one time I slipped up in an effort to (once again) attack my intelligence.
Good for you."

Yeah and it just happend to be THAT one! Jeez guy if the "i" key was any further away from "e" key I'd have to believe it was intentional and not a typo, which is why it is such a stretch for us to believe it was a typo and not a mis-spelled word.

Yeah that's some IQ you got there

sheesh

I didn't feel like reading through 14 pages of misinformed opinions so this question I am about to ask may have already been asked...

Is the Universe conscious of its own existence? If not where did our consciousness come from? If so, is it possible that the universe, nothing at first but fully conscious of itself and what it could become, created itself according to a process which evolutionists, have observed and measured and now call evolution or what creationists call creation?

I probably won't get a sensible response but if one exists in the previous 14 pages, could someone give me a point in the right direction? I really want to know what you believe.


Either way, how could us, who are alive and conscious of this fact, come from something that is neither living nor conscious?

Originally posted by Aermacchi
There is REALLY, no alternative today either genius

Umm yes there are lol...
Several.
Just because all YOU can imagine is creationism doesn't mean there aren't alternatives - it just says something about you .

Originally posted by Aermacchi
and oh by the way,, I never DID say what I thought einstein believed. I just quoted what he said and,, presumably,,

what HE believed.

But that's my point - he didn't believe in God. He made that fact very clear. He was agnostic.
So your assertion that I should listen to those with a higher intelligence is flawed because Einstein was not even talking about your God. He was talking about a "theory for everything" which was his goal.

Originally posted by Aermacchi
Jeez guy if the "i" key was any further away from "e" key I'd have to believe it was intentional and not a typo, which is why it is such a stretch for us to believe it was a typo and not a mis-spelled word.

Typos aren't all due to big fingers lol. Mine are quite small, and the distance between keys doesn't matter - it's more of a mental slip up.
But no - let's have it your way. I knew how to spell it the other 6 times in that post and then God hit me with a lightning bolt and I forgot for one second, thus proving your idea that it wasn't a typo lol...
Either that or I was telling the truth and it was indeed a typo. ...

You're so eager to 'get me' at all costs - this is really quite pathetic.
Just give it up - all the hate and anger.
Your goal should be to seek the truth and not bash those that are looking for it.

Originally posted by Aermacchi
Yeah that's some IQ you got there

IQ means very little.
I've told you this before...

On the subject of you insulting my intelligence, however, I thought I would bring this up:

Matthew 5:22 "but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

Originally posted by Aermacchi
Hey guy,,,, Just because I don't agree with your nonsensical explanation of evolution does NOT mean I do not understand it, I just don't see ANY PROOF! Note: the last words you hear Dawkins say on this clip and then tell me at what point does the essence of life in Darwinian terms actually begin? You will hear what I have already said in my first post and the Idea that Dawkins believes but can not prove where Mel says I am wrong in my interpretation looking at Dawkins quote from his own website, we see the truth given to us in that video by BigWhammy who by the way is a member here and one who has owned so called genius's on these boards in so many debates it would be hard to count.

This quote will be in whammy's video? I'll see Dawkins actually mouthing these words?

Originally posted by Aermacchi
"I believe but cannot prove we are the product of Darwinian Natural Selection and random mutation - Richard Dawkins"
If you can not prove it then don't buy it?

If you tell me it is, then I'll watch it. It will be 10 mins of my life I'll never get back, remember - and I know the neuron-destroying qualities of whammy vids.

The problem was that you appeared to be dishonestly making Dawkins quotes up, I wanted to know where it came from in an effort to see you as less of a rogue. It was nothing to do with interpretation, quotes are quotes. And making quotes up is sort of bad sport.

we see the truth given to us in that video by BigWhammy who by the way is a member here and one who has owned so called genius's on these boards in so many debates it would be hard to count.

rofl

Whammy is totally incapable of intellectual honesty. Birds of a feather and all that jazz comes to mind. Indeed, much like you, whammy had a thing for misrepresenting Dawkins.

Have a happy New Year - Darwin 150!

Originally posted by TruthParadox
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I will not waste another 15 minutes of my time re-explaining my words to you. Simply reread my last post and try to understand it this time. If that doesn't work then try taking some reading classes.

Heh, it's like groundhog day, dude. You'll get used to it in time. There is a solution, though!

Originally posted by melatonin

Originally posted by TruthParadox
reply to post by Aermacchi

 

I will not waste another 15 minutes of my time re-explaining my words to you. Simply reread my last post and try to understand it this time. If that doesn't work then try taking some reading classes.

Heh, it's like groundhog day, dude. You'll get used to it in time. There is a solution, though!

lol that pic is getting saved

two lines and i promise its on topic.

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lol I want that robot .
I'm starting to think that the creationist strategy is: Just keep saying the same thing. He/she will eventually get tired of correcting you and at that time you can claim victory. If that doesn't work then try insulting his/her intelligence without a reason to support it.

Either that or the truth is to scary.

Originally posted by TruthParadox

Umm yes there are lol...
Several.
Just because all YOU can imagine is creationism doesn't mean there aren't alternatives - it just says something about you

.

Oh you must mean those all those having to do with that load of crap called evolution. You know the one that has no proof the one that ID has it been so discriminated against by the one creationism has been so ridiculed and harassed by. Naah that ain't science either then for it fails the same scientific method so I think it's time they all just get rid of them and put them in a philosophy course and quit calling them SCIENCE

Originally posted by Aermacchi
and oh by the way,, I never DID say what I thought Einstein believed. I just quoted what he said and,, presumably,,

what HE believed.

But that's my point - he didn't believe in God. He made that fact very clear. He was agnostic.
So your assertion that I should listen to those with a higher intelligence is flawed because Einstein was not even talking about your God. He was talking about a "theory for everything" which was his goal.

Dude! LISTEN! TRY WILL YOU FOR GODS SAKE WHAT DID I SAY! READ MY POST AGAIN! I said what? Show me where I said anything about what Einstein believed! I merely posted a quote of his THAT IS ALL!

I never said what I thought he believed YOU ARE SAYING I AM, and THAT IS MY POINT, GOT IT!

Originally posted by Aermacchi
Jeez guy if the "i" key was any further away from "e" key I'd have to believe it was intentional and not a typo, which is why it is such a stretch for us to believe it was a typo and not a mis-spelled word.

Typos aren't all due to big fingers lol. Mine are quite small, and the distance between keys doesn't matter - it's more of a mental slip up.
But no - let's have it your way. I knew how to spell it the other 6 times in that post and then God hit me with a lightning bolt and I forgot for one second, thus proving your idea that it wasn't a typo lol...
Either that or I was telling the truth and it was indeed a typo.

...

You are right it was more of a mental slip up another words Genius,, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO SPELL IT! Well,, you do now.

You're so eager to 'get me' at all costs - this is really quite pathetic.
Just give it up - all the hate and anger.
Your goal should be to seek the truth and not bash those that are looking for it.

Don't flatter yourself pal, you weren't a challenge from the moment you said I didn't understand evolution and what a freakin high IQ you had. Most people I hear say that kind of thing usually have it coming to them and you are no exception

Originally posted by Aermacchi
Yeah that's some IQ you got there

IQ means very little.
I've told you this before...

On the subject of you insulting my intelligence, however, I thought I would bring this up:

Matthew 5:22 "but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

Yeah and what kind of fool is he talking about there Genius?

Those who say in their heart that their is no God are fools
Maybe it is YOU who should give it up, you see I enjoy making fools out of Darwinists, I'm sadistic like that. Oh and what makes you think you haven't insulted MY intelligence? After all you are saying we are all the product of a BIG FAT LIE! The ever lying illusion of evolution.


That is ONE DEAD IDEA and it's about time they get rid of it from polluting anymore of our children in our public schools. Hell just thinking they have to suffer through such hogwash makes me sick.