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posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 08:24 AM
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Please ATS users, forget your beliefs for a second and read this. I find quite a lot of ATS threads to be written by people that are feeling like somethings going to happen, someones watching them, someones controlling them (government, men in black, aliens). These are all classical symptoms of Paranoia and may in fact be a symptom of something larger.

Paranoia is a disturbed thought process characterized by excessive anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. In the original Greek, παράνοια (paranoia) simply means madness (para = outside; nous = mind). Historically, this characterization was used to describe any delusional state.
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Paranoia is often associated with psychotic illnesses, sometimes schizophrenia, although attenuated features may be present in other primarily non-psychotic diagnoses, such as paranoid personality disorder and obsessive compulsive disorder. Paranoia can also be a side effect of medication or recreational drugs such as marijuana and particularly stimulants such as methamphetamine and crack coc aine. In the unrestricted use of the term, common paranoid delusions can include the belief that the person is being followed, poisoned or loved at a distance (often by a media figure or important person, a delusion known as erotomania or de Clerambault syndrome). Other common paranoid delusions include the belief that the person has an imaginary disease or parasitic infection (delusional parasitosis); that the person is on a special quest or has been chosen by God; that the person has had thoughts inserted or removed from conscious thought; or that the person's actions are being controlled by an external force. Therefore, in common usage, the term paranoid addresses a range of mental conditions, assumed by the use of the term to be of psychiatric origin, in which the subject is seen to generalise or project fears and anxieties onto the external world, particularly in the form of organised behaviour focused on them. The syndrome is applied equally to powerful people like executives obsessed with takeover bids or political leaders convinced of plots against them, and to common people who believe for instance that shadowy agencies are operating against them.

I'm not trying to be funny here, but feeling persecuted or feeling like some government agency or aliens are controlling us (other than adverts etc) is very suspect.

I've basically lost my closest friend to this mental illness, and I see the signs of this within some users of ATS. Please reread, rethink and seek help if you feel that your beliefs include feeling persecuted or that 'something' big is about to happen from the men in black.

Seriously, do it!

[edit on 11-12-2008 by Trojan_libido]



posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 08:26 AM
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It is a conspiracy website my friend. What do you expect?



I don't think there is anything wrong with users here (for the most part), just a little healthy paranoia and good times.




posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 08:31 AM
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Just out of curiosity, are you seeking help for your mental illness? Therapy would be helpful and there are medications that can help if you truly feel that you suffer from a mental illness.

I'm not paranoid. No really, I'm not. I know the difference between when I think people are watching me versus when they really are ... and when you are as beautiful as I am people are always watching you. Paranoid? Not a bit. Narcissitic? Well ....


In all seriousness, if you really feel that you have a mental illness you should seek therapy. I think many of us on ATS can keep things in perspective and come here to exchange ideas and beliefs. We are able to seperate what we feel is fact from what we feel is fiction and we can maintain a healthy mindset while enjoying ATS.

Thank you for the warning - I do think that your post may be valuable to some members of ATS though not the majority.

Jemison



posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 08:33 AM
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My impression is that there is only a very, very small number of members here at ATS which show any classical signs of paranoia. I have stumbled across a couple if posters which in my opinion could use a good session with at psychiatrist, but most seem quite rational and sane to me.

The vast majority of ATS members are simply out to learn more about subjects that interests them, to find answers, to get to the bottom of things. The fact that many of us doesn't buy into to the official version of the truth, but instead prefer to think and do research for ourselves, does NOT makes us paranoid or insane in any way.

In my opinion, of course.



posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 08:37 AM
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This brings up a good point for some of the newer people here who might not know some of us too well. the threads are deep and can be taken as insane. But discussions upon conspiacies and some one who never leaves the house because he has to keep this tin foil hat on at all times, are two TOTALY differant things.

The depth of conversations could reviel reality or just mire the original topic in murky translation.

I am sorry about the loss of your friend.



posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 08:37 AM
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I know I'm standing up and shouting 'WATCH OUT FOR CLOWNS!' at the circus...

But some threads I've read are littered with really bizarre paranoid posts.

To state that Aliens are controlling people, when we've not even established aliens as a fact never mind worked out their master plan, is deluded.

I'm aware that there are genuine discussions going on, and they can get weird and deep.

What actually made me post this is this thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Maybe this warning should be moved into the right subforum, but I feel its a valid warning and ATS should do its best to keep people right, while they discuss things.

[edit on 11-12-2008 by Trojan_libido]



posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 08:38 AM
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Paranoia's? No I don't think so. Attention seekers? Absolutely! Also, sometimes I think most people just like to stir the pot and see what comes to the top. This is a very diverse bunch. Now if you will excuse me I have to get back to chasing the almighty dollar! Hail Capitalism!



posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by Trojan_libido
To state that Aliens are controlling people, when we've not even established aliens as a fact never mind worked out their master plan, is deluded.


Don't mean to play devils advocate here because I for one don't believe it, but...

To state that Aliens are not controlling people, when we've not even established aliens as a fact, is deluded.




posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 08:41 AM
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Don’t forget, even paranoids have enemies...

Wait.
Is that someone at my door?
ZOMG!
If I’m not back in 10 minutes someone call Ghost Busters!





posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 08:45 AM
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Yeah Yeah, Just because your paranoid doesnt mean they're not after you etc.

I'm talking about paranoia regarding secret government agencies or aliens.

I've worked in a lot of companies (I'm a software developer), and not one of them could keep a secret, almost all of them were rotten to the core, and basically this is everywhere. So I'm not convinced we're even capable of keeping anything secret, or even organising ourselves efficiently yet!



posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by Trojan_libido
Yeah Yeah, Just because your paranoid doesnt mean they're not after you etc.

I'm talking about paranoia regarding secret government agencies or aliens.

I've worked in a lot of companies (I'm a software developer), and not one of them could keep a secret, almost all of them were rotten to the core, and basically this is everywhere. So I'm not convinced we're even capable of keeping anything secret, or even organising ourselves efficiently yet!


I think the things people worry about should always be guarded against. So even if someone is being a bit paranoid it doesn't mean it's always bad. If the person is just being paranoid then they have nothing to actually worry about, and so nothing will happen.

As for being chosen by god - I might say it is those who think they weren't chosen who are insane, but that is another topic in itself. But if someone thinks they need to change the world by force on a quest from God, well they are certainly delusional.

But I would worry more about those in power. As that guy in the Simpsons Movie says - Of course I'm going crazy with Power, nobody listens if you don't have power!

I like to hear the theories and the discussion. Can't let the lowest common denominator bring everything down.



[edit on 11-12-2008 by badmedia]



posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 08:57 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

In my time as a member, I have seen only three or four truly paranoid people here on ATS. And truthfully, I know more than that in RL.

There is a lot of difference between paranoia and healthy wariness. Because many of us don't trust the system to tell the truth, we tend to look at things in the light of "What could be being hidden that we ought to know about?" It's not parinoia, it's trust issues that most of us embrace.

Now before you say that's crazy; don't you think someone should have been asking questions about Governor Blaglavitch(sp?) of Illinois? Don't you think someone should have been asking questions of Warren Commission? Don't you think someone should have been asking questions about the Barksdale Missiles? (Oh wait, someone here was asking about the Barksdale fiasco before it went mainstream.)

Now the whole UFO thing is another kettle of fish. There's so much smoke that no one can see much of anything clearly. In this, and other things on the board, it helps to imagine the words "What if" prefacing a lot of these statements. What if there are aliens? What if their propulsion system uses XYZ? What if they like humans cooked in butter and then smothered in whipped cream?

And then we have a few loons, in all the forums. But paranoia isn't their problem, usually it's needing to have attention, loss of basic reality, or they need to get something cooking to present as a TV pilot for next season.

Relax. We're not crazy. We would be if we accepted the idea that there are absolutely no conspiracies going on. Then we would need some sound medical advice. As it is, we're just a suspicious lot who like bouncing ideas off each other.




As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 08:57 AM
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Originally posted by Trojan_libido
What actually made me post this is this thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...


That thread made me also nearly drop my pants. I felt seriously offended by such crap being in the Aliens & UFO forums, and it is yet there.


The gullibility in the UFO & conspiracy scene goes through the roof, no wonder that real scientists are laughing there arses off it. There goes the credibility of ufology down the toilet.

But is it paranoia? Or sensationalism? Or just wanting to feel special? It's gotta be all of them, and they all are damaging the "scene" as a whole.

EDIT to add: I'm not saying that all users here are so, but there is a very active fraction that affects all.

[edit on 11.12.2008 by SiONiX]



posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 09:05 AM
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reply to post by SiONiX
 


The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



But is it paranoia? Or sensationalism? Or just wanting to feel special? It's gotta be all of them, and they all are damaging the "scene" as a whole.


Yes, to a degree. But it's like cooking. You never use all the spices on the rack. Some of these things are out there for whatever reason the poster feels, any of those you listed and a few others I can think of, but that doesn't mean you need to do more than taste them to know they don't go well in you dish.

It's all about what you come away with, not how many different items there are in the cupboard.




As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 09:32 AM
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You are being paranoid.
(This is not my paranoia speaking)
Some people are being surrounded by ideas!
Kick your ideas onto ATS.
Watch carefully



And now, something completely different!!! (fanfare)
Scenery changing, implies movement.
Move on my friend, you're being watched!
Ignorance stares you down...



posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 09:38 AM
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Well if there are members being paranoid as you observed, is it any better to induce more paranoia on top of the already exsisting paranoia?

That seems like what this is all about.

I think the best advice to the paranoid is to simply relax, take a deep breath, smoke em if you got em, have a cup of joe and look forward to a nice day.




Cheers!!!!



posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 09:48 AM
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I'm not trying to induce more paranoia, I'm asking people to examine their beliefs with skepticism and ask themselves if they're being paranoid. Questioning is fine, believing your being persecuted could mean many things:

an attention seeker
really being persecuted/followed etc.
someone who really wants to feel special
or someone having mental issues or clinically paranoid

I guess this should really be in the UFO thread, as its at its worse there.

I myself believe there was something big going on around 9/11. We've all watched the events unfold, and many believe, including myself, that it had to do with oil and getting laws passed that go against human rights.

I'm not sure if I believe in a NWO though, that mean people would have to share power, and that goes against what I know about power.

[edit on 11-12-2008 by Trojan_libido]



posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 09:57 AM
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Speaking of mental illness, what about the people who use forums like the gray area as a 'catch 22' shield to tell people they are aliens, so that their claims can't be challenged?

Paranoia is one thing, everyone is a little paranoid from time to time, and a little bit of paranoia is actually healthy in some cases, but I can't think of too many cases where constructing a fantasy world where you believe yourself to be an alien, and then getting others to believe it too, would be healthy or normal.

I won't say names but there's at least one who has a cult following of people who froth at the mouth and go into convulsions if you speak a bad word about their 'enlightened' extraterrestrial friend, who is so enlightened that he tends to refer to humans as 'those bastards' etc.


I'm not a psychiatrist but even I can tell you that unless they are perpetrating a hoax they are showing signs of some form of psychotic delusion, and possibly even a dissociative identity disorder.

I think mods should be looking at things like this VERY closely and putting the 'kai bosh' on it. It's dangerous, creepy, and just flat out wrong. To allow it to run rampant like it does is enabling or supporting mental illness.



posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 09:59 AM
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Well I would be the last on this planet to stand in anyone's way of asking for truth, be it 9/11, space, aliens, ufo's or worries about nwo.

But if what your implying is true, that 80 percent of members here seem paranoid to you, arent you sort of curing the disease by killing the paitent by saying ask yourself if your parinoid?

Im not a psycologist so I could be wrong, Im an engineer.




Cheers!!!!



posted on Dec, 11 2008 @ 10:03 AM
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"To be paranoid means to believe in delusions of danger and persecution.
If the danger is real, and the evidence credible, then it cannot be delusional.
To ignore the evidence, and hope that it CANNOT be true, is more an evidence of mental illness."
-William Blase


That sums up what I was going to post anyway...

Peace



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