Are the US and UK Being Destroyed by Design?

In my lifetime I have seen the US economy reduced from a thriving behemoth into a shivering wreck. The UK is in the same boat.

Just as in the UK the borders have been opened and wages decimated.

Just as in the UK children are given ritalin and prozac and anti psychotics.

Just as in the UK authorities are pushing the fluoride agenda.

The entire world is wrapped in chemtrails.

Most people are completely hypnotized by the telly.

There is not enough money in the world to cover the 1.5 quadrillion in
derivatives that are outstanding.

Our productive capacity no longer exists.

Only war can save us it seems, or perhaps.........www.army.mil...

reply to post by marsha law


My brother in law and I talked about this very thing this AM. It is quite strange, but apparently not alarming enough, that Russia has it's ships camped just outside of our backyard and with the condolences of no other than Hugo Chavez at the ready. they say it is for the up coming "war games' they intend to initiate, and the PTB's of the USA don't have any worries, and if they don't worry, guess I shouldn't either, I will watch my own "You know what!" and let them deal with the thought of yet undealt probabilities if and when the time comes.

The USA and the UK are in a very vulnerable state if you ask me, "yes." we are the western worlds power house, but that may be in a "Pretence" references as of now."Who knows.....they, PTB's probably do, but they ain't a talking."

We as a civilization have been wandering down hill with all the miss use of finance and thought perception problems. I don't think I am a part of the fault, really can't say I am part of the answers we need, but I do know it is all F'ered up and there will be one hell of a battle existence to pay if someone decides it's time to call us out on our own soil here in the USA or for you blokes there in the good ole UK. IMHO...

Originally posted by marsha law
In my lifetime I have seen the US economy reduced from a thriving behemoth into a shivering wreck. The UK is in the same boat.

Just as in the UK the borders have been opened and wages decimated.

Just as in the UK children are given ritalin and prozac and anti psychotics.

Just as in the UK authorities are pushing the fluoride agenda.

The entire world is wrapped in chemtrails.

Most people are completely hypnotized by the telly.

There is not enough money in the world to cover the 1.5 quadrillion in
derivatives that are outstanding.

Our productive capacity no longer exists.

Only war can save us it seems, or perhaps.........www.army.mil...

Much of the changes in both US and UK economies are the result of 3rd world production of goods, and now many services. The cost of paying some one in China to make some thing or India to answer a phone can be a LOT cheaper. (have you talked to call center for something recently?) Its simple and short sighted economics. I consider it less conspiracy then greed and short sighted profits. And I am an avowed capitalist. Some things that require repetitive work can not now be profitably made in the US or Europe.

We solve that problem, by doing what what do best. We are innovative and clever. The US needs to retool its industries not over ten but no more then two years, we can and must do this. Technology can keep our basic industries going. We need to stop importing food from China or Mexico which HAVE NO CONTROLS on safety. We pay in the US, less for food then just about any where on the planet. That will have to change, or we suffer the consequence.

Today Obama stated he was stunned that the US automakers showed up wanting hundreds of billions FROM THE TAX PAYERS!! They were clueless, had no plan. Sorry guys. We give you cash, your out on your ass. Mabey charge with criminal stupidity. Private jets? Basterds!! Sell 'em and give the money to the food shelves, they can use it. And the auto-czars can shovel @#$%^& for the rest of their life. Or go to jail.

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How do you work your way out of a hole when you have no means of production?

We cannot rely on our resources and anyway most profits are internationalized and disappear tax free.

If the high and mighty powers had us in their plans they would have protected our economy.

We are, in the words of Mr. Kissinger, 'worthless eaters'.

Honestly I think the best plan is to max out all your credit cards and head for Tibet. Or maybe Samoa.

Originally posted by arbiture
Much of the changes in both US and UK economies are the result of 3rd world production of goods, and now many services. The cost of paying some one in China to make some thing or India to answer a phone can be a LOT cheaper. (have you talked to call center for something recently?) Its simple and short sighted economics. I consider it less conspiracy then greed and short sighted profits.

I'm in third world, prior to the crisis, sometimes I ponder how frustrating my life is.

Say people in the US/UK doing exactly the same job I do(IT analyst) but they can afford their own cars, their own homes, have a happy family. Live a happy fulfilled life.

While me, with the same job, skills, talents and productivity, got nothing, I spend very little on everything, even though cost of living is low, there's still very little you can do with life. I've been to US for six months and woke to a reality of the things I'm missing in life! While thanks to outsourcing, I have a job, but can you imagine how ridiculous this is ?!

From what I've seen yes. The inflation of the dollar, bail outs, and troop increase it seems like the PTB are moving to their predetermined goal. It seems that we are stuck in a system in which we are too helpless to fight back.

-Ign0RanT

I had made mention of the cuurent affairs between Venezuela and and Russia and the "War Games" they are intending on activating on Dec. 1st 08.
They will be carried out on open seas, and the consideration of having such events are common placed for militaries of the globe.
I guess what hits me crooked is "Why fake battle with a possible future enemy adn show them your weaknesses/strenghts?"

"If the Venezuelans and the Russians want to have, you know, a military exercise, that's fine, but we'll obviously be watching it very closely," US State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said Monday.
"I don't think there's any question about who ... the region looks to in terms of political, economic, diplomatic and as well as military power," McCormack added.
The US has expressed concern, however, about Russian arms supplies to the oil-rich OPEC country.
The two countries have signed 4.4 billion dollars in bilateral arms deals since 2005, including radars, 24 Sukhoi-30 planes, 50 helicopters and 100,000 Kalashnikovs.
Medvedev was expected to expand arms deals during his visit, as well as economic and energy ties, including plans for a joint civilian nuclear reactor.
"Russia is a friend which held out a hand to us," Gonzalez told AFP in a recent interview.
"We want to be very strong, but in a highly dissuasive direction. So that any country in the world thinks not once but 10 times before coming here."
In September, two Tu-160 Russian strategic bombers carried out training for several days in Venezuela.
The Russian warships were due to sail into La Guaira, near Caracas, and Puerto Cabello in northern Carabobo state.
"Until a few years ago, we did a lot of maneuvers with the United States. Now we don't do maneuvers with the United States, of course. We got out of that defense system and we're creating our own system of defense," Chavez said Monday.
The fleet includes five aircraft and several small ships, and Venezuela will provide eight aircraft and 11 ships, Gonzalez said Monday, adding that 1,150 Russian forces and 600 Venezuelans would take part in the exercises.
"Nations frequently exercise with each other. Russia is free to exercise peacefully with anyone that they want to exercise with," Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said Monday.

This particular story is approx. 13 hr's old, but gives it in great detail of the goings on between the two countries.

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