Saturn and Venus

Hello ATS,

First of all I want to emphasize that this is a theory that resonates with me. That is why I want to share it here and read your feedback.
This post has been posted on the Dutch forums by my friend Dodeca.
He is the source for your reference.

Saturn/Venus,

The "Enuma Anu Enlil" records have been used by the Saturnians as one of the sources for the concept that Saturn was known in antiquity as "the Star of the Sun" and in fact was considered to be the Sun. Cardona and other Saturnians who used the essay "Sun and Saturn" (1910) by Morris Jastrow have been faulted for ignoring Jastrow's comments, to quote Leon Ellenberger..

"According to Morris Jastrow, Jr., in his 'famous' and oft-cited article 'Sun and Saturn,' Saturn was not given a specific name until after Venus and Jupiter were named, which is surely strange if Saturn was the primordial deity described by the 'Saturnists.'"

-- Ellenberger, "An Antidote to Velikovskian Delusions" in Skeptic (1995) or at abob.libs.uga.edu...

This sequences of naming, and similar faults, are entirely resolved if consideration is given to the sequence of events as I have proposed in this essay. The records in question all date to after 747 BC, although Jastrow suggest that some predate the period of Hammurabi (ca 1700 BC).

That Saturn is called "sun" (Shamas) is no surprise. Until 3114 BC Saturn indeed was the Sun, and certainly the "sun of the night." After 3114 BC, and until 2250 BC, with some interruptions, Jupiter assumed the role of the "Sun of the night" and was called Shamas. Some 1500 years after Jupiter disappeared from view -- became a star -- the Babylonian astronomers were suddenly pressed into service by the Assyrian kings. The names of the planets to be watched were derived from a 3000 year old tradition. Duplicated names could be sorted out when seen in context. Additionally, some tablets are annotated with indications of whether the daytime or nightime Sun was meant.

What none of the Saturnian commentators have done is to elucidate some of the truly strange wording of the tablets, like...

"Saturn stands in the halo of the moon"
"The moon has a halo around it and Saturn stands in it."
"When the sun stands in the place of the moon.."
"When a mock-sun stands over the moon (or) under the moon.."
"If Samas has a halo around it, there will be rain."
"When Jupiter [stands] in the sun.."
"If Venus approaches Samas, the King will perish." with a note explaining that here by Samas the Sun in meant.
A "sun-crown" above Venus...
"Dilbat [Venus] is decked with two crowns."
"A 'Samas' crown above the moon, is explained as 'Lu-Bat [Saturn] [standing] by the moon.'"
"If a mock-sun stands above the moon or below the moon.."
"If Mars reaches the road of the sun [the ecliptic] .. there will be a famine."
"The mock-sun and moon appear together," explained as "on this night Saturn approached (or 'was near') the moon."

On this last note, specifically, Jastrow starts to justify the texts of the tablets in uniformitarian terms, as..

"It would appear, therefore, that the association of sun with Saturn was carried to the extent of using even the term which stands for an image of the sun due to atmospheric conditions to represent Saturn. Naturally a 'mock-sun' or parhelion cannot stand above or below the moon or be seen anywhere near it."

"The term was intended to apply to a "mock-moon" and this phenomenon of a second moon was explained as due to the presence or reflection of Saturn near or standing by the moon."

"I venture to think, that we have in this naive explanation of an atmospheric phenomenon which seems simple enough to the modern astronomer, a suggestion as to the origin and meaning of this interesting association of the sun with Saturn, leading to the wide spread usage of the signs for Samas (An-UT and Amna) to represent Saturn."

"Strange as it may seem to us, the planet Saturn appears to leave been regarded as 'the sun of the night' corresponding to Samas as 'the sun of the daytime' and the cause of such light as the night furnishes. It was argued, that since there was a sun furnishing the light of day, so there must be some corresponding power which causes the illuminations of the heavens at night."

Besides the fact that such reasoning degrades the intellectual abilities of the Babylonians, none of these suppositions are necessary. The "crescent of the Moon," seen below, above, even on both the left and right, or seen in multiple units, are simply the diffraction of the light of a bright planet on approaching the last remaining band of the equatorial rings. It would be placed some distance away, probably 1/4 or 1/2 degrees, and thus make it appear as if the planet were placed within a Moon.

Mesopotamian "Star and Crescent" images show the star inevitable well within what would be the orb of the Moon, a situation which would not happen if the crescent genuinely belonged to the Moon.

The left and right diffraction, when a bright object were centered on the band of the equatorial ring, would result in an image identified as the 'double axe' in antiquity, although I would assume that the 'double axe's was more likely seen in remote antiquity, before 2349 BC, when the ecliptic dipped completely behind the still intact Absu. Jupiter, with its gigantic coma, would have been the candidate for this imagery. The handle of the axe, which is frequently, but not at all times, shown, is probably the south polar plasma plume. The double bitted battle axe is a fantastical invention of the current age. Even the tomahawk does not appear until the late Bronze Age.



Jastrow and others allowed that the situation of Saturn, or another planet, might be seen above or below the Moon because the Moon frequently runs off the ecliptic by some 5 degrees. What has not been accounted for, of course, is to have the Moon's crescent appear on the top or bottom. That does not happen in real life.

It is the same diffraction of the point light source of a planet when behind the last of the equatorial rings which causes the depiction of planets as a four and eight pointed figures.

It should also be pointed out again that this last equatorial ring was red. It would cause Sirius to appear as red when the axis of the Earth shifted.

The ring was recalled as a rope in the sky by the low-land Maya -- "and blood ran through it." In the "Popol Vu" it is called the "river of blood."
The only hint at color comes from the tablet which reads, "If Mars reaches the road of the sun [the ecliptic] then.." Mars, colored red, would be nearly invisible behind the red ring and would appear to suddenly enter on the 'road of the Sun' as its travels along the ecliptic took it from behind the equatorial ring.

These conditions, including the 'planet within the crescent,' would only occur near the equinoxes, where the ecliptic crossed the equatorial ring in the sky.

During the Mesozoic, proto-Saturn (Ouranos) orbited the Sun in what is now the asteroid belt. It was probably the only body orbiting the Sun, its immense size locking it into a binary system which astronomer's believe to be the more usual solar system formation. Earth and other satellites orbited proto-Saturn which dominated the skies, almost to the complete exclusion of the Sun and other celestial bodies; in comparison, the Sun was an insignificant body, proto-Saturn being the main source of heat and light.

The Earth was dominated by the large single super-continent Pangaea, with the World Mountain at its epicentre, and surrounded by a fresh-water shallow Sea. Only a non-rotating synchronous orbit, with the super-continent locked into and facing proto-Saturn, would account for this stability.

The climate was sub-tropical with high humidity. The synchronous (syn-, chronous: together with Saturn?) orbit meant constant light and heat, and hence no variation in temperature. There were no tidal forces in the large shallow Sea, and hence no sedimentation. There were no seasons and hence minimal tree rings.

Birds, mammals and our ancestors inhabited the planet during the Mesozoic, and co-existed with the dinosaurs. In much the same ways as our diversity exists today, cultures varied from the sophisticated, who lived towards the World Mountain, to the primitive who lived towards the ends of the super-continent. Giantism was common in this era of reduced gravitation, and size and bulk were no disadvantage.

The Earth and original satellites of proto-Saturn separated some 15,000-20,000 years ago, and the Golden Mesozoic Age came to an end. Proto-Saturn separated into may parts, to form the gas giants Neptune and Uranus. Proto-Saturn became Saturn. Part of the smaller debris became moons of the outer planets, and much remained in the original orbit as the asteroid belt. The events were witnessed by the peoples of the Earth, and became the basis of the ancient catastrophic mythologies, beginning with the Genesis event "Let There be Light". During separation, Earth was saturated with radiation from proto-Saturn, which caused much mutation and was the catalyst for new sequences of evolution for many generations. The same radiation rendered all forms of radiometric dating useless causing grossly exaggerated time-scales.

Separated from proto-Saturn, planet Earth commenced rotation and the charge focused on the World Mountain dispersed. Together, the Earth lost its inherent stability and with the new centrifugal force, the super-continent separated, and "drifted" changing the pear-shaped Earth into it present shape. The dispersion of the charge together with piezo-electro effects in the rocks, enabled the separation to take place in hours, rather than millions of years.

The survivors of the catastrophe found themselves in a completely new environment: lower temperatures, seasons, diurnal variations, a changed atmosphere, and an apparently greater gravitational effect. This was neither the environment, nor the "solar" system, in which life had evolved.




Imagine these currents increased. A circle of big electric current could melt a
circular section of the surface of Saturn, and thus promote the formation of
a new planet inside this ring. Even if Saturn is not hollow, a cylindrical piece
of crust could break away and being pretty hot, reshape into a sphere and thus
form a new planet. On the other hand the aurora ring could be evidence of a
section of the surface having already broken away. It is also evidence of a
large current travelling through the centre of the planet.

Venus is the only 'God' which is almost universally recognized as having been 'born' during historic times, because the birth was seen by humans in 4186 BC

Venus out of one of the spokes of saturn, like eve out of the rib of adam.

BR
PPL

So what do you think ATS? Does it resonate with you?

LINKS
saturniancosmology.org...
wikicompany.org...:Occult_symbolism

I've been reading about this theory for some time, originally I thought nothing much of it. I'm still sort of on the fence but the more I learn of it the more compelling it becomes.

Here's another link on the theory.
www.kronia.com...

Here's a trailer for an upcoming documentary on the subject, some aspects are extremely strong I think, but as I said still on the fence but fascinating none the less. Thanks for the thread.

Two mysterious hexagons surround the north pole of the planet Saturn; the main one is 15,000 miles across and, per infrared photos, extends at least sixty miles down into the planet's interior. It does not move with the wind driven clouds, but rotates every ten hours and thirty nine minutes, as do Saturn's radio emissions. This is probably the period of axial rotation. Physicists and astronomers currently have no explanation for any of this.

Source of info.


At least as late as Johannes Kepler (1571-1630), a belief in the geometric underpinnings of the cosmos persisted among scientists. Kepler explored the ratios of the planetary orbits, at first in two dimensions (having spotted that the ratio of the orbits of Jupiter and Saturn approximate to the in-circle and out-circle of an equilateral triangle). When this did not give him a neat enough outcome, he tried using the Platonic solids. In fact, planetary orbits can be related using two-dimensional geometric figures, but the figures do not occur in a particularly neat order. Even in his own lifetime (with less accurate data than we now possess) Kepler could see that the fit of the Platonic solids was imperfect. However, other geometric configurations are possible.
source of info.


IMO: Imagine our solar system like a The dynamo, it uses rotating coils of wire and magnetic fields to convert mechanical rotation into a pulsing direct electric current through Faraday's law. A dynamo machine consists of a stationary structure, called the stator, which provides a constant magnetic field, and a set of rotating windings called the armature which turn within that field. On small machines the constant magnetic field may be provided by one or more permanent magnets; larger machines have the constant magnetic field provided by one or more electromagnets, which are usually called field coils.

If our solar system was the field coils and Combined with earths waking consciousness (Creating more Energy to boost the power Earths Coil) what effect would that have on all the other Planets, Hexagon forming on saturns north pole and a Vortex in the south, what about a pole Shift for earth all this with the idea that is the earth is speeding up and global warming is the effects of that extra speed will also mean more energy to the Sun and other planets...

What little we truly know about ourselves and the world and planets around us - wake up sheeple (lol).

Ever wondered why there are not enought hours in the day?

And as the earths population increases so does the energy output of earth.
Are we seeing the effects of the energy spike within the last 200 years the population say 8 Billion 2008 During the twentieth century, the growth rate among the European populations fell down and was overtaken by a rapid acceleration in the growth rate in other continents, which reached 21 per thousand per year in the last fifty years of the millennium. Between 1900 and 2000 C.E. the population of the world increased by 277 percent; the European component increased by 124 percent, and the remainder by 349 percent.

Since We are Just Batteries of energy what happens when we release it.
Cause And effect.
ZD