The real problem with the education system

I know there are lots of problems with our education systems but here's what I think the real problem is.

Money for new school buildings and maintenance of those buildings.

In my local school district alone we need $40 million to build a new middle school. The only apparent way to get this done is to fund a bond by raising our property taxes.

Now imagine for a minute all of the thousands of schools like this that are needed around the country (USA) and the thousands that need repaired, refurbished, or fixed up. and you're looking at billions and billions of dollars. Alot of that money "does" come from education budgets.

That's the real problem.

money only goes so far. it takes a village to raise a child. if the teachers parents and the students themselves don't care then all the money in the world wont make a difference.

all the money in the world would make a huge difference. money is more than paper, it's belief. it's not like the govt would write a check for 100 billion and just let it ride the wind to the nearest bank.

of course the students and teachers would have to be involved. that's like saying to have a good pizza you need dough and cheese. tell the fed that all the money in the world wouldn't do any good to keep an entire nation in debt slavery. go tell the pope that he can change all of the money into pennies and throw it down old faithful because it's inconsequential.

i'm sorry but that's just stupid and you're degrading the fact that materialism is just as important as spirituality. all things to moderation.

haha, fart.

reply to post by Mozzy


obviously you completely miss the point. im not saying money isn't necessary im just saying that a school is only as the people in it.

there are many schools that lack funding but still have high test averages. on the other hand you have school with alot of funding and poor grades.


no where did i mention materialism and spirituality.

I can tell you whats wrong with the US public education system.

The Janitor he makes 38 K a year. The teachers Around 40K. The coachs make around 60K a year. The vice principal makes 80K a year and the Principal makes 120K. The superintendent make 400K.

You'll note that those that work the hardest make the least.

Pile that onto standardized testing and Ritalin pushers and it should become clear what you have is not a school but an indoctrination camp.

You say the pledge from kindergarten through highschool and I know many support that but I would ask those supporters to ask a 6 year old what words like indivisible and allegiance. In other countries we would call it propaganda or brainwashing but here its patriotism. You go through school life and re-learn your fractions through grades 3 through 8 but only one school year is spent on US government and it doesn't even teach the true nature of US politics to the students. Then you have zero tolerance policies charging child as sexual predators for playing "you show me yours and I'll show you mine" and police terrorizing student and teacher alike in un-announced drills.

Does an environment like that sound like its geared to teach students how to think? OR does an environment like that sound like its geared to create fearful, compliant, automatons?

OP is absolutely right. I have no solution but I see the problem clear as day.

I live in Taxachusetts, and we have ridiculous school projects popping up all over, and no way to pay for them. I'm talking $200 million high schools in suburban towns. I'm not exaggerating when I say that they are already taxing us to the absolute max here. If they try (and they will) to squeeze any more out of us, we will pop!

How will we pay for all these upgrades? That is a scary thought. My small town, for instance, had to decide this year if we were going to keep an elementary school open or pay $600,000 to fix the roof of the 3 year old police station. The roof won.

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Agreed. X10
I served my twelve year sentence of public school. My teachers encouraged collectivism and compromise, while discouraging the exercise of intellectual inquiry, twisting it instead into meek subservience to authority. Let all those escape it who can, any way they can.

Question: If Americans had the internet in the 1800's, do you think they would have still sent their kids to schools?

reply to post by amazing


Hmmm... sorry, but personally from my perspective, the education system's problem is that they are making it harder and harder for the parents to educate the children at home .... where they belong.

Aside from that, the next problem would be that they are teaching our children opinions more often than the basics.

The buildings are the least of what I care about. I care about the precious souls and what they are being taught to believe in INSIDE those buildings.



[edit on 19-11-2008 by justamomma]

The main problem in the educational system is there is no discussion, like Mill said, no idea should be silenced even if it its false. It is way to one-sided in every aspect. No amount of funding could fix that problem.

I disagree that that is the real problem with education.

In my opinion the real problem with education is manipulation and indoctrination.

The problem with out education system is that it was designed by Rockefeller and his cohorts.

i didn't miss the point, you did. the op stated that schools needed money. not children that are worth spitting on or teachers that are willing to do it. we have those in abundance. what we don't have is MONEY!

as far as the "village raising a child" is concerned, that is not an admission of failure. that is a declaration of truth. a village WILL raise your child whether you like it or not. if that village happens to be broke a&& retarded incompetent people then guess what?

Well let me state that I do agree that good teachers and a community that care and payscales and all the rest are a big problem.

Too often they say let's raise funding for education and they do but too much of that money goes to building or replacing schools and not where it's needed.

I don't have all the answers, what I do propose is a federal program (they're going to spend our money anyway) to build all the schools that are needed instead of relying on the cash strapped communities and school districts to do it. That way the school districts can focus on fixing some of the other issues such as school supplies, well stocked libraries, training for teachers, hiring new teachers etc.

Thoughts?