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Originally posted by ipsedixit
I think nobody saw the flyover because everybody was watching TV news of what was going on in New York that day. Even if they saw a flyover, it would, as Craig has said, been just another example of a plane flying low in the vicinity of Reagan National. Big deal.
Originally posted by jthomas
So all those people on the roads, freeways, and bridges were either watching TV in their cars or you know for a fact that that none of them would have ever confused a jet flying lower, and faster, and in a different direction than any plane ever flew in any Reagan departure or arrival pattern.
Gotcha.
Originally posted by ipsedixit
Originally posted by jthomas
So all those people on the roads, freeways, and bridges were either watching TV in their cars or you know for a fact that that none of them would have ever confused a jet flying lower, and faster, and in a different direction than any plane ever flew in any Reagan departure or arrival pattern.
Gotcha.
Have you ever stopped to consider that a lot of those drivers on the roads may have been actually doing what you are supposed to be doing while driving, that is, watching the road and the other traffic?
Some of them may have been on cell phones. What do you have to say to that?
Originally posted by jthomas
Do you understand that neither you nor anyone else has the magical power to claim what an unknown number of people in a position to see a jet fly over the Pentagon would or would not see and you cannot guarantee that NO ONE would see the jet?
Originally posted by tezzajw
Originally posted by jthomas
Do you understand that neither you nor anyone else has the magical power to claim what an unknown number of people in a position to see a jet fly over the Pentagon would or would not see and you cannot guarantee that NO ONE would see the jet?
I've resisted posting in this thread until now.
Your paragraph here, jthomas, is enough to shoot down your own argument. I'm glad that you typed it.
You admit that you don't know how many people were in a position to see a possible flyover, as you don't have that 'magical power'. Perhaps there were no people in a position to see a flyover, you admit it's possible in your paragraph ('unknown number of people').
Originally posted by ipsedixit
CIT looked into the Pentagon incident and found that things were not as they seemed and that other logical inferences were possible besides the obvious inference.
posted by jthomas
Do you understand that neither you nor anyone else has the magical power to claim what an unknown number of people in a position to see a jet fly over the Pentagon would or would not see and you cannot guarantee that NO ONE would see the jet?
posted by tezzajw
I've resisted posting in this thread until now.
Your paragraph here, jthomas, is enough to shoot down your own argument. I'm glad that you typed it.
You admit that you don't know how many people were in a position to see a possible flyover, as you don't have that 'magical power'. Perhaps there were no people in a position to see a flyover, you admit it's possible in your paragraph ('unknown number of people').
posted by jthomas
First, thanks for admitting in your last post that AA77 hit the Pentagon.
Originally posted by SPreston
An honest open debate is much more desirable than deliberate distortions and misquotes and disinformation.
Originally posted by jthomas
Day 12
Can you imagine? Day 12 and no one has yet produced positive, verified eyewitness, media, or physical evidence that ANY jet flew over and away from the Pentagon.
CIT is still trying to get around the fact that Roosevelt Roberts did not witness any flyover.
Pilots for 9/11 Truth remains completely flummoxed as their flyover scenario was completely blasted out of the water.
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
Originally posted by jthomas
Day 12
Can you imagine? Day 12 and no one has yet produced positive, verified eyewitness, media, or physical evidence that ANY jet flew over and away from the Pentagon.
CIT is still trying to get around the fact that Roosevelt Roberts did not witness any flyover.
Pilots for 9/11 Truth remains completely flummoxed as their flyover scenario was completely blasted out of the water.
Day 12
Previous evidence submitted has been completely ignored by thread author as he forges ahead pushing blatant lies regarding what has been presented while continuing his clear campaign to antagonize and disrupt as a strategy to obliterate the possibility of civil honest discussion.
He has failed to quote the first critical flyover witness Roosevelt Roberts Jr. or bothered to even try to make a case why he refuses to accept this account while simply choosing to make hollow sweeping generalized statements of denial.
Then my seargent, Seargent Woolwich, Woody, he called and he said, hey, rob, listen, we gonna threatcon delta. As I hang up the phone, the plane hit the building. It all came at the same time, watching the tv, it was like, it was almost timed for preciseness. So, as I hung up the phone, and I ran to the center of the dock and I looked up and I saw another plane flying around the south parking lot, it's about like 9:12, 9:11 in the morning. And then there was dust and stuff coming from the ceiling, you could hear people screaming. So, what I did was, I turned around and drew out my weapon, and I didn't know what was going on. I thoughts we was being invaded, I didn't know what was happening. So I ran back into South Loading and I start forcing people out of the building.
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Not to mention he also completely ignores the fact that we provide 13 witnesses who unanimously and independently place the plane on the north side of the gas station which scientifically proves a flyover....
So, as I hung up the phone, and I ran to the center of the dock and I looked up and I saw another plane flying around the south parking lot, it's about like 9:12, 9:11 in the morning. And then there was dust and stuff coming from the ceiling, you could hear people screaming.
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
reply to post by jthomas
Sorry but Roosevelt does NOT claim he was reacting to the plane hitting the WTC on the TV while he was at the Pentagon!
You completely made this up as it's 100% clear that he says "the plane hit the building" he is referring to the Pentagon.
We know this for a fact because he mentions "dust and stuff" (obviously NOT on the TV) and elaborates about starting to help people out of the building. Listen to what he says and pay attention to the words you are quoting
So he was simply wrong about the time which is a normal mistake, because obviously he wasn't describing a 30 minute gap here!
We confirm with him direct that he immediately reacted to the BOOM inside the Pentagon (not on TV) and was outside seven steps later watching the plane with jet engines at less than 100 feet flying away from the building.
THIS is what he told us and the library of congress and I am certain any honest person who bothers to listen to the interviews will understand this.
"Pentagon Defense Protective Service (DPS) Chief John Jester "directed (Deputy Chief John) Pugrud to notify DPS Communication Center to raise the Force Protection Condition to Alpha, meaning that a general threat of possible terrorist activity existed which required enhanced security.
"Pugrud had the phone in his hand dialing the center when Flight 77 hit. He heard the crash more than felt it. When the phone call was answered, he could hear the center's alarms activating and radio calls taking place. The dispatcher yelled, 'We've been hit! We've been hit!'"
- "Pentagon 9/11", Page 152
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
reply to post by jthomas
You've lost all touch with reality.
You are wildly spewing a completely unsupported fantasy that you made up without quoting Roosevelt and while ignoring what he already confirmed with us direct.
You are completely ignoring his 2008 interview with us where he specifies that it was "10 seconds tops" or "seven steps" after the explosion at the Pentagon when he saw what he thought was a 2nd jet at LESS than 100 feet above the south parking lot banking away!
He does not describe seeing the plane 30 minutes before the explosion. He says it was seven steps after!
He would not associate this jet with the attack or call it a "2nd jet" at all if he was talking about seeing it a half hour before the attack!
The entire notion that the 2nd jet airliner he describes was 30 minutes BEFORE the explosion at the Pentagon is completely insane and you know it since...
1. This is not what he says.
"So, as I hung up the phone, and I ran to the center of the dock and I looked up and I saw another plane flying around the south parking lot, it's about like 9:12, 9:11 in the morning. And then there was dust and stuff coming from the ceiling, you could hear people screaming."
2. There is no possible explanation for a commercial jet "just above the light poles" coming from the west and banking over the south parking lot at 30 minutes before the attack or ANY TIME anyway!
At least this thread is giving a lot of attention to Roosevelt Roberts' critical account and the only people you can possibly fool with your blatant spin efforts are those who refuse to listen to the interviews, and like you already have a deep-rooted confirmation bias in favor of the what the government told you about 9/11.