My Cyclical Universe Theory

A couple of years ago, I thought of a theory about how, in the simplest of terms, the universe works. I was pondering the theory of white holes (basically the opposite of a black hole, they push everything away from them) and what kind of effect they would have on our universe. I had sort of an epiphany when I realized that maybe the universe acts in the same way that everything here on Earth does: In a cycle. I began thinking of how everything works in a cycle, i.e. the sun rising and setting, life and death, etc. So I thought of this cycle in terms of the creation of our universe and came up with this:

Over time, as our universe expands, it creates black holes. These black holes, over billions and billions of years, eventually become so prevalent that they suck the entire universe into its void, all of the black holes merge into one, and the universe becomes one giant black hole. Now over some time, the black hole begins to collapse in on itself, becoming ever smaller, until one day it completely collapses in on itself. The matter eventually becomes so dense that it explodes, causing the Big Bang, or what I think could just be a white hole. This white hole pushes all light and matter and energy away from it, creating what we call the universe, and over billions and billions of years, black holes begin to form in the over-expanded universe; and so the cycle continues.

What do you all think of this theory? I'm not sure if anyone has discussed anything like this on ATS, but please feel free to add any input you feel is relevant! Thanks

[edit on 17-11-2008 by Gigliorononomicon]

That is one of the most interesting ideas I have seen in a while.
Seeing as how your notions are based on intuition rather than mathematics I would have to say there is some proving that needs to be done. After all is said and done, all of the great minds of humanity began with an active imagination.
Well done!!!

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I've heard something a little bit similar to this described by Nassim Haramein.

Have a look at this video

Google Video Link

It goes for 8 hours, but if you've got an interest in this area, it's well worth watching. I quite literally got sucked into it.

Hope you like it.

I've heard of this theory before, but a little bit differently. With yours it's the black holes that contract everything back. The other was the unviverse just collapsed back on it self inversely how it expanded.

Apparently Einstein's theories predict that our universe is either expanding or contracting, so i do believe there are some mathematics out there that help prove this theory.

Originally posted by i am who i amApparently Einstein's theories predict that our universe is either expanding or contracting

That's a tautology is it not?


The problem with this theory apart from the fact that its not really falsifiable, is that given enough time, black holes will evaporate. If our universe is to continue its current trend then we will suffer what is known as the Heat Death (en.wikipedia.org...). Another popular theory, which is very similar to yours is known as the Big Bounce (en.wikipedia.org...), which could give us a cyclical sort of situation.

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sounds interesting to me; but i don't see why these "white holes" are needed within your theory. I understand their "purpose" within your model, but couldn't another force accomplish the same thing?

Originally posted by science lol
black holes will evaporate.

explain?

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Originally posted by JPhish
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sounds interesting to me; but i don't see why these "white holes" are needed within your theory. I understand their "purpose" within your model, but couldn't another force accomplish the same thing?

Originally posted by science lol
black holes will evaporate.

explain?

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Hawking Radiation.

I'm not a physics PhD, so hopefully en.wikipedia.org... will suffice.

I'm sure another force could be at work other than white holes, I just thought it plays in well with the black hole/white hole cyclical comparison. To me, the white hole would literally just be another word for the Big Bang. What kind of force are you referring to though?

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i was under the impression that Hawking changed his stance on this. I may be wrong, but even if he hasn't; are we to blyndly accept that SR is correct even in light of contradictory evidence?

Originally posted by Gigliorononomicon
I'm sure another force could be at work other than white holes, I just thought it plays in well with the black hole/white hole cyclical comparison.

it does play well, i'm just inquiring so that i might understand your theory better.

To me, the white hole would literally just be another word for the Big Bang.

but the big bang is considered a one time singularity. There are, in theory, countless black holes within our universe. So your saying there are many of these "white holes" that are pretty much the equivalent of tiny big bangs?

What kind of force are you referring to though?

hyper accelerated photons is what came to mind for me, but i'm not referring to any particular force. Electromagnetism, light, and "gravity", among others could suffice.

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i was under the impression that Hawking changed his stance on this. I may be wrong, but even if he hasn't; are we to blyndly accept that SR is correct even in light of contradictory evidence?

SR = Special Relativity?

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oh, yeah, sorry, i'm use to writing short hand.

More specifically the "speed limit of light".

Originally posted by JPhish
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oh, yeah, sorry, i'm use to writing short hand.

More specifically the "speed limit of light".

Well SR and GR have held up to every test we've thrown at it with an extremely high precision of accuracy. Nothing has been able to falsify it.

I'm not sure what the consensus is on claims that people have gotten information to travel faster than light, but I believe most are skeptical.

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Its an ancient theory with a wide spread from the Mayans to the Upansaids... from the Hopi to Buddhism. Huxley wrote about it and it can be found in a huge number of myths and cosmologies.

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www.cbc.ca...

www.science-spirit.org...

not to mention that SR and GR are at odds with string and quantum mechanical theories as well.

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Its morning and I had to rack my brain to remember what its called:

The Perennial Philosophy (also the title of a book by Adlous Huxley) is the ancient idea that the universe is in a constant state of flux between being and non being in concordance with that is the notion of that which we call God create the universe by expanding outward and becoming it. Variations of both principles can be found in the majority of the worlds mystic and esoteric thought.

Physicists Niel Bohr and David Bohm touched on it as well.

It is a cornerstone of Hopi, Hindu and Buddhist theology as well.

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sounds interesting Grover, i'll have to look into it. Thanks for sharing.

basicly youre right the process of a sun starting is at the end of a black hole. when the sun is born it flashes this flash last for a few seconds there was a astronomy race to capture the flash and the germans got it saw it on discovery