Radical Homosexual Terrorism

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
I am a terrorist.

I declare war.

Either you're lying and according to the terms and conditions meriting a banning or you're not lying and there should be a law enforcement officer at your door.


[edit on 20-11-2008 by saint4God]

I'm gay and to say these fools speak for most "gay people" is just idiotic. Defile a church, assault others, etc, don't expect any ones sympathy.

Yeah those Rainbow flags... Spreading terror and discord wherever they are flown. Heralds of woe, of evil, of destruction! With such radical, militant tactics can Nuclear terrorism be far behind?



What a joke, this is hardly "Terrorism".

Originally posted by Catfish
Yeah those Rainbow flags... Spreading terror and discord wherever they are flown. Heralds of woe, of evil, of destruction! With such radical, militant tactics can Nuclear terrorism be far behind?

What a joke, this is hardly "Terrorism".

I think you forgot to look at the picture in the initial post. The group of people assembled are in masks and carrying weapons, are they not?

[edit on 20-11-2008 by saint4God]

Originally posted by saint4God

Originally posted by angel of lightangelo
Maybe I am overly ignorant about this church but what kind of church is it that they have security guards to begin with?

Churches historically had an open door policy with literally an open door during the day for people to just walk in. In cities these days, not only are the doors closed, but locked on non-service hours and have an alarm system. Any guesses as to why?

Little late to the party huh. I have no problem with someone answering me from paaaaaaaaaages back but since it has been answered several times and discussed and gone back and forth and yes, your answer failed too. Go back and read where I already knocked all that down and come back with something original please. Something that does not automatically assume each church is a victim in need of protection.

Seriously, to have a decent discussion here, you have to have it 4 times since no one reads threads anymore, just a few posts here and there and then a response. Sorry, kids. I will not give you the same argument that I already have, here, in this thread. Thanks for playing though.

Originally posted by arbiture
Defile a church, assault others, etc, don't expect any ones sympathy.

I appreciate this fair and even-tempered response. Many people have difficulty changing their paradigm it seems.

[edit on 20-11-2008 by saint4God]

OK - I remember when churches were open all the time.

I remember when they began locking them due to vandalism.

Its that simple.

I would be against protesters entering a church and disrupting service

A Christian group deliberately entering a gay neighborhood to pray for their souls - - is exactly the same as gays entering and protesting inside their church.

Originally posted by Annee
OK - I remember when churches were open all the time.

I remember when they began locking them due to vandalism.

Its that simple.

And thievery, even of the most basic and inexpensive things.

Originally posted by Annee
I would be against protesters entering a church and disrupting service

A Christian group deliberately entering a gay neighborhood to pray for their souls - - is exactly the same as gays entering and protesting inside their church.

Not exactly, neighbohoods are public access streets and sidewalks. Next, praying is quiet. Even praying aloud, it's not yelling at other people. Breaking into one of their homes during a gathering or a room where they're having a convention is more akin. The people barging in would also have to throw flyers that say God disapproves of homosexuality, kiss a member of the opposite sex in front of them and exclaim that the people they think are gay are actually heterosexual. That would do it and would be equally wrong.

[edit on 20-11-2008 by saint4God]

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And if you read the thread.

Absorbed the context.

You would know I was lying, to illustrate a point.

Thanks for the concern though Saint.

Originally posted by saint4God


Not exactly, neighbohoods are public access streets and sidewalks. Next, praying is quiet. Even praying aloud, it's not yelling at other people. Breaking into one of their homes during a gathering or a room where they're having a convention is more akin. The people barging in would also have to throw flyers that say God disapproves of homosexuality, kiss a member of the opposite sex in front of them and exclaim that the people they think are gay are actually heterosexual. That would do it and would be equally wrong.

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That may all be true but you seem to be missing something. There are churches that do terrorize and do commit heinous acts in order to let gay people know they are wrong. This happens. As I have said over and over and over. I live in New York. I can not find one church with security guards here. NOT ONE. Think there is less crime and vandalism here? When church is not in service, the doors are locked. It is very simple.
I asked over and over what this church did to become a target for this group. I asked what they have done to tell them that they need security guards. The only answers I get are "that is how church is now." No, it is not. Not here. Why there?

Is it possible, just possible, this church was a target for a good reason?

I am NOT condoning what these folks did, I have made that clear. But I refuse to get on the cross and stick up for this church without knowing what they do. If they were anything like the Westboro Baptist church, they are lucky it was not burned down, and I have no problem with people attacking that church after what it has pulled. So what did this church do to get the ire of this group? Why do they feel they need guards.

Originally posted by saint4God

Not exactly, neighbohoods are public access streets and sidewalks. Next, praying is quiet. Even praying aloud, it's not yelling at other people. Breaking into one of their homes during a gathering or a room where they're having a convention is more akin. The people barging in would also have to throw flyers that say God disapproves of homosexuality, kiss a member of the opposite sex in front of them and exclaim that the people they think are gay are actually heterosexual. That would do it and would be equally wrong.

[edit on 20-11-2008 by saint4God]

I stand by my position.

Semantics - a group of Christians by deliberate intent - - going into a known predominately gay neighborhood - - is intentional incitement "terrorism" (in my opinion)

The fact they are praying quietly - is irrelevant.

Originally posted by saint4God

I think you forgot to look at the picture in the initial post. The group of people assembled are in masks and carrying weapons, are they not?

Thugs?
Gang bangers?
Criminals?

A stereotypical depiction of a middle eastern 'terrorist', not a terrorist make.

Neither does () declaring one is a "terrorist".

We have been discussing this throughout the thread. Most feel, including myself, it is a sensationalist gross exaggeration to say what they did was "terrorism". I also do not feel what they did was something they should have done. I am not condoning.

But if this is considered terrorism, then pretty much anything would be.

You scare me sometimes Saint... you are a terrorist?.. Apparently I scared you earlier...guess I am?..

I may have missed it - I have been trying to read the thread.

Has anyone posted the other side? The explanation from "Bash Back"?

Originally posted by Annee
I may have missed it - I have been trying to read the thread.

Has anyone posted the other side? The explanation from "Bash Back"?

The church is completely innocent and did nothing wrong. Bash Back are terrorists. End of story so far.

Originally posted by angel of lightangelo

Originally posted by Annee
I may have missed it - I have been trying to read the thread.

Has anyone posted the other side? The explanation from "Bash Back"?

The church is completely innocent and did nothing wrong. Bash Back are terrorists. End of story so far.

Excuse me if I have a mind of my own?

I prefer to understand all viewpoints - therefore I researched their sites and newsletters.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by angel of lightangelo

Originally posted by Annee
I may have missed it - I have been trying to read the thread.

Has anyone posted the other side? The explanation from "Bash Back"?

The church is completely innocent and did nothing wrong. Bash Back are terrorists. End of story so far.

Excuse me if I have a mind of my own?

I prefer to understand all viewpoints - therefore I researched their sites and newsletters.

I was not attacking you for asking. If you had been reading, I have been asking the same types of questions and the answers I got were what I gave to you. I was sarcastically repeating the same BS I was getting. Sorry if you took that the wrong way.

[edit on 20-11-2008 by angel of lightangelo]

Ahhhh - angel of lightangelo - perhaps you were being a bit sarcastic.

I'm not sure about this particular church - but they do give a reason for a church in Lansing, MI. It doesn't sound like churches are random

Why Mount Hope Church?

The first issue we would like to address is the
nationally wide-spread question of, “Why Mount Hope
Church?” (MHC) Good question. The first thing to
realize is we did not just randomly pick a place, nor
did we pick the biggest place. A lot of issues went
into our decision; I will discuss the major ones:
First, MHC’s stance on queer identities. In their
recent press release, Dave Williams (or D-Willy as
we affectionately refer to him) states that they simply
see being gay as a sin equal to any other, such as,
lying or stealing. This is a sneaky way of getting off
the hook. You can see for yourself that they take it
much more seriously.

According to one of MHC nearly all forms of sexual
expression (and specifically homosexuality) are
considered “sexual addiction”. Openly lumping homo’s
in with such sinners as peeping-Toms, flashers and even
rapists!!! These “addictions” they work to “cure”
through strict “support groups” such as Dunamai
(see web link at bottom).And at times even send men to
live in brainwashing camps such as Pure Life Ministries (see
bottom). They also organize with other ex-gay organizations
such as Love in Action, Homosexuals Anonymous, and L.I.F.E.
Ministries. It is clear that MHC takes an active approach to
repress queer identity and all forms of sexual expression
outside of the Christian, straight, married and husband
controlled structure. This ruins people’s whole lives and
families by making them repress their desires so completely
that they grow to hate themselves and/or act out against or
ignore their spouses and families. This church is nothing
short of a disease in the community, and in the minds of
those who attend.

bashbacknews.wordpress.com...

In a way I think that maybe these Christians needed to stay home and pray for those people ....thats what I would do ....because really in a way it is provoking (or would be percieved as provoking ).


I dont think we need to be all up in their faces everywhere they go .....And protest against everything they protest ....it just really does not help matters any at all in my own personal opinion ...........
Neither does standing in front of abortion clinics ....actually I think they ought to have an office in the clinic too and the women given both sides to the abortion issues .....I was given that choice in the Family Planning Clinic myself ..and I appreciated it ..(I was not there for an abortion ..I was a teen who was pregnant and my Dr asked me to go and talk with them ) ....
Why cant the religious crowd do that >>? They get to go into prisons and other places ..why not there in an abortion clinic too ? ....would be worth checking into anyway ..I would think that would be a better way to be more effective than haveing showdowns in the street ........


Praying is what Christians should be doing the most of with people that we disagree with .....not raising all hell in the streets with them (or glaring at them while praying ...(some really do hate them inside of their hearts and will still go and act like they are praying for them just to upset the crowd..it gets taken as a slap in the face and a spitting on the sidewalk sort of gesture ..just the fact that they are there interrupting their parades even . . ) ..during their protests or their parades ...............I can see why that would be upsetting to these people ...

Surely you joust (forgive the pun, blame Ray Stevens).

Do you have any idea what would happen if I had to put up with what LGBT individuals have to in our society? Any idea what would happen to the great state of California if they took away my right to marry? Well I'm not gonna violate the T&C by discussing illegal activities, but let's just say that if California starts oppressing drunken straight white union men, you should buy stock in the company that makes police tape IMMEDIATELY (oh, and also in a beer company- the next time I'm sentenced to confinement I plan on being properly sedated for the occasion- it's a REALLY boring process).

I'd say that homosexuals, especially the ones I know, are taking this whole "not having basic human rights that even slaves were given 150 years ago" (the right to marry among themselves) thing with a hell of a lot of class and restraint.

The only problem I have with those who decide to actively respond to the scapegoating they have been targeted for is that I believe if they intend to mount a legitimate rebellion (and one that I think our founding fathers would give the nod to I might add) the government, and not the political constituencies which indirectly brought about the offending acts of government, ought to be the sole target. A little revolution now and then is healthy, but wanting to destroy your fellow man is generally less healthy than wanting to destroy your government, and in this case the latter would be as effective as the former, so why not do it that way?


And although Jesus may not have been homosexual, he was regularly accused of being a homo in the parlance of the day. The accusation against Jesus that he associated with gluttons and drunkards was euphamistic (Christians themselves will tell you this when they are using it to argue that Jesus was not married)- the point of that accusation is that for his culture and his time, there was something suspicious about a guy who runs around congregating with a bunch of other single young men instead of getting married and having a big family.

If the American religious right had been poking its nose in the middle east 2000 years earlier, they would have been ALL OVER Christ and the threat he posed to traditional family values.

I'm sorry but if a religion or government can't be just a little bit enlightened about this kind of stuff, they don't deserve to be followed and they do deserve to be subverted by groups like Bash Back.

[edit on 20-11-2008 by The Vagabond]

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Bam, there ya go. "Pure Life Ministries." I have seen enough.

I will not condone what anyone did here but I sure as hell will not stick up for either side either. The church is no more innocent than anyone else that day.