American and Russian Propaganda?

Russian country folk are not stupid, any more than American country folks. I may know American country folks, but more importantly, I know country, and country is the same everywhere. What I mean is that farmers and workers are the same world over.


Every thread at ATS needs a conspiracy, so here's the framework for this thread, stated in the words of Yuri Bezmenov, KGB defector:


Yuri Bezmenov Explains Soviet Strategy for Subversion 5 of 9


"[Americans think] Soviets are very proud of the victory in the second world war. This is another big myth, a lie. No sensible people would be proud to lose 20 millions of their countrymen in a war which was started by [genosa] Hitler and comrade Stalin and paid by American multinationals. Most of the soviet citizens look at this [soviet memorial] type of monument with digust and with sorry because every family lost fathers, brothers, sisters or child[ren] in the second world war. [...] I presume that millions of Americans had the wrong ideas about the sentiments of my nation, about what the soviets are proud of and what they hate."


So the point of this thread, is that both the populaces of Russia and the US are being lied to during the last century. Now, is this a real conspiracy? And is this conspiracy between Hitler and Stalin (and the rich people who fyunded them both) more important than 9/11? More importantly, arer 20 million Russians dead, enough of a war crime to indict Stalin and Hitler and if not, can we at least look at who funded them both?

Why would we be told that Russians are proud of their victory over Hitler, and be asked to ingest that idea, mentally? I think the better question is, are you looking out the rear window of the moving vehicle of history or the front window? It seems to me, that passengers in a vehicle, are more docile, when facing rearward, and being reactive.




[edit on 4-11-2008 by smallpeeps]

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Your link doesnt work... Fix it!

Originally posted by JanusFIN
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Your link doesnt work... Fix it!

Thanks!



...I love this quote from 5:30:

"Why would they bring lies to their own country?"

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You raise very interesting question to the table, and I look half from this fascinating interview what you send... I want to look the whole interview, 9 parts of it first, before I am willing to start talk about this more. Man seems to be very wise, and earn to be heard.

Thanks from good link, I will educate my self, and let you know my stance after, what? 1,5 hours... Huh!

But, fast answer to your difficult question.

Its much more important look to the great lies from past, than try to foresee those in our time and future. History educates us, and talk over the borders is the strong weapon we have... Free talk, and internet forums is one good way in educate our selfs.

It seems that all wars has started with false flags in 1900 and 2000, so we do have huge secret society of Elite in front of us, but we have to educate and fight against these lies we are trained to believe. And we have to compare the history to another possibility, to great lie they have told us.

Dead peoples can not talk, but they can show their ways, and they can not spread more lies to fog their steps. We have to look their steps to their finals, and see where they have lead us in today.

Catch you later...




[edit on 4-11-2008 by JanusFIN]

Originally posted by JanusFIN
You raise very interesting question to the table, and I look half from this fascinating interview what you send... I want to look the whole interview, 9 parts of it first, before I am willing to start talk about this more. Man seems to be very wise, and earn to be heard.

I don't know who he is, except what he describes here. There is little info about him, which makes me think his story is real and that he just has gone into hiding. This video is an interview done in the 80's I believe.

Its much more important look to the great lies from past, than try to foresee those in our time and future. History educates us, and talk over the borders is the strong weapon we have... Free talk, and internet forums is one good way in educate our selfs.

Very true, but also the lens with which we peer into the past, is certainly colored or warped, wouldn't you agree?

I choose to be not believing the lies which come from persons with power and money. I choose to believe one person with the ring of truth to their eyes and voice, and that is what I see here, in this Russian person trying to tell me, an American, of the danger he percieves.

BTW, In your link, who is this guy, and what he means to you? Why you want to share his thoughts with us?

I want to know more about him actually, and I hope someone can help us with that.

Why did I post it? Because I like humans, and I feel the only thing preventing me from haing good friendship and relations with soviet and russian peopls, is the simple obstacle of both governments! But like the russian, I as an American must simply shrug and say "Who can resist?" because both countries have plans for the people, while the people just want more freedom and basic things needed for a happy life like food, home, lack of stress, etc.

I like this guy also because he's really funny and sarcastic, which I respect. I wonder if his sarcasm translates well with Russians also? Americans love that sort of talk. He does seem to be bragging in this video, but who can blame him if that's all he's got left, being on the run?

Thanks for your comments!



[edit on 4-11-2008 by smallpeeps]

Some interresting quotes captured from long interview:

Part 2/9 time 01.25 Forward...

"There is a great possibility that system (USSR) goes sooner or later and will be destroyed, cause there is so destructive mechanism built in to like any socialist, or communist, or fascist system, ... because the system do not rely upon loyalty of its population."

After this tape, USSR did collapse, and cause of that could just be mentioned in this predicting tape. Look at USA today, witch can compare to fascist regime and imperium raising, do you see the same problem growing over there, where "system do not rely on loyalty of its population anymore?"

www.youtube.com...

And forward we go...

Originally posted by JanusFIN
Some interresting quotes captured from long interview:

Part 2/9 time 01.25 Forward...

"There is a great possibility that system (USSR) goes sooner or later and will be destroyed, cause there is so destructive mechanism built in to like any socialist, or communist, or fascist system, ... because the system do not rely upon loyalty of its population."

Yes! And notice how he looks directly at the camera when he says that! It is a message to the US citizen, as he says very plainly, "Americans think they are living [in] 'peace-time'... This is false."

This is a very true video, almost world shattering for Americans, if they get to the part where he talks about organized gulag-style slave factories in Russia which American oligarchs will be running, even as they "pray to be killed." ...I think that's in part 8.

[edit on 4-11-2008 by JanusFIN]

Another very interesting quote from posted interview...

If you think meditation is somehow good for you, and idea of meditation as useful tool to greater understandings, look what KGB think about that! (And dont think CIA thinks somehow otherwise)

Part 6/9 From 03.00 forward...

"... To meditate, in other words to isolate yourself from the current social and political issues from your own country, to get you in to your own bubble, to forget the troubles of the world, obviously KGB was fascinated from such a beautiful school! ..."

And continue with very hard facts from Secret Service brainwashing methods!

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KGB Strategy for Ideological Subversion In Nutshell You Will Find From:

Part 8/9 From 03.50 Forward...

www.youtube.com...

... And how far KGB has gone inside of US society, still today with its tactics >

Four steps in brainwash:

1. De-moralization!

... And you are stuck with that, right now!

Continue in part 9/9 from beginning ...

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2. De-Stabilization

3. Crises

4. Normalization

...

Everyone should look this, really, what high rank KGB officer, Yuri Bezmenov has to say to US people about conspiracy behind our back, his warning from something witch has come true in present day! NWO!!!

Please, look at least the part 9, but I suggest to look from part 8 to the end.

A MUST SEE!!!

This information is very up to date right now!

Just listen this, see your self, it will open your eyes.

Thanks op, very good post, in very good timing!

Yuri Bezmenov Explains Soviet Strategy for Subversion 7 of 9

quoted at 7:50:
"The KGB of course knew it --and the CIA knew it! That was most infuriating becuause when I defected and I explained to the CIA debriefers that they should watch out because East Pakistan is going to erupt at any moment, they said I was reading too many James Bond novels. Anyway, so, East Pakistan was doomed.

One of my colleagues in the soviet consulate in Calcutta, when he was dead drunk he ventured into the basement to relive himself and he found big boxes which said "printed matter" to Dhaka university (capital of East Pakistan) ...And since he was drunk and curious he opened one of the boxes and he discovered NOT printed matter, he discovered kalshnikov guns and ammunition in there. Anyway it's a long story. When I saw the preparations for the invasion into East Pakistan, obviously I wanted to defect immediately."

wiki/Dhaka_University


Then here's a bit on the situation he talks about, in March of 1971..

wiki/1971_Bangladesh_atrocities

Bangladeshi authorities claim that 3 million people were killed,[1] while the Hamoodur Rahman Commission, an official Pakistan Government investigation, put the figure as low as 26,000 civilian casualties.[2] The international media and reference books in English have also published figures which vary greatly from 200,000 to 3,000,000 for Bangladesh as a whole.[1] A further eight to ten million people fled the country to seek safety in India.[3]

[...]

Numerous women were tortured, raped and killed during the war. The exact numbers are not known and are a subject of debate. Bangladeshi sources cite a figure of 200,000 women raped, giving birth to thousands of war-babies. The Pakistan Army also kept numerous Bengali women as sex-slaves inside the Dhaka Cantonment. Most of the girls were captured from Dhaka University and private homes.

Then here's the world events of March 1971 as per the wikipedia timeline:

wiki/1971#March

[edit] March
March 1 - A bomb explodes in the men's room at the U.S. Capitol; the Weather Underground Organization claims responsibility.
March 1 - Pakistani President Agha Muhammad Yahya Khan indefinitely postpones the pending National Assembly session, precipitating massive civil disobedience in East Pakistan.
March 1 - Canadian John Robarts ends his term of office as the 17th Premier of Ontario.
March 4 - The southern part of Québec, and especially Montreal, receive 42 cm of snow in what became known as the Century's Snowstorm (la tempête du siècle).
March 5 - The Pakistani army occupies East Pakistan.
March 6 - A fire in a mental hospital at Burghölzli, Switzerland, kills 28 people.
March 7 - The British postal workers' strike, led by UPW General Secretary Tom Jackson, ends after 47 days.
March 7 - Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, political leader of the then East Pakistan delivers his great speech in the Racecourse Field in Dhaka. He called the mass to be prepared and fight for national independence.
March 8 - Boxer Joe Frazier defeats Muhammad Ali at Madison Square Garden.
March 12 - Hafez al-Assad becomes president of Syria.
March 12–13 - The Allman Brothers Band plays their legendary concert at the Fillmore East.
March 16 - Trygve Bratteli forms a government in Norway.
March 18 - A landslide at Chungar, Peru crashes into Lake Yanahuani, killing 200.
March 23 - General Alejandro Lanusse of Argentina takes power in a military coup.
March 25 - The Pakistani army starts Operation Searchlight in East Pakistan from midnight, after President Agha Muhammad Yahya Khan, a military ruler, voids election results that gave the Awami League an overwhelming majority in the parliament.
March 26 - East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) independence is declared by Local Awami League Leader Hannan Sarker on behalf of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman from Kalurghat Radio Station, Chittagong.
March 27 - East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) independence is repeatedly declared by Army Major (later President of Bangladesh) Ziaur Rahman on behalf of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman from Kalurghat Radio Station, Chittagong.
March 28 - The Ed Sullivan Show airs its final episode.
March 29 - U.S. Army Lieutenant William Calley is found guilty of 22 murders in the My Lai massacre and sentenced to life in prison (later pardoned).
March 29 - A Los Angeles, California jury recommends the death penalty for Charles Manson and 3 female followers.

Anybody see the propaganda which was being used to distract Americans? How does the Manson event compare with a few thousand similar events in Bangladesh? ...For the brainwashed idiot, the answer is clear. But this guy says he knew that both sides (American and Russian) were being moved by a central hand, toward revolutionary spirit and then crackdown, i.e. the dialectic.

Originally posted by JanusFIN
Please, look at least the part 9, but I suggest to look from part 8 to the end.

A MUST SEE!!!

This information is very up to date right now!

Just listen this, see your self, it will open your eyes.

Thanks op, very good post, in very good timing!

JanusFIN, you are very welcome, and I like how you phrased it, "Cross-border communication via the Internet is one of the most powerful tools we have." ...I agree with you.

In your other thread, you mention that you yourself have been to Russia lots of times and have a decent trading and personal knowledge of Russian people (and I am not sure how this term 'Russian' relates to the other concept of USSR) ...So therefore I would like to hear you talk more about how you percieve this man's character here, in the video, and if you could just comment on what, in your opinion, makes you think he is telling the truth?


...To answer the question myself, I believe him because of his harsh and bitter tone when speaking about the "wonderful benefits of Marxist/Leninist reality like catching fleas on your body and sleeping on planks of wood." ...That made me laugh. He is also a funny person.

Also he makes the point, "I was one of the people who was most positioned to benefit from the soviet system. I had the respect of my nation, I had a great career. Why would I want to defect and to be called Macarthyist?" ...He really is making a good point which is that even being a respected KGB man was not enough to keep him there. and for why he says people hate the soviet system, his reason are that the members of soviet marxist/leninist or socialist society must be "duplicitous" and having "split personality", and "paranoia". ...I do believe him at this point in the video, because the soviets are very cult-like where each member is spying on every other member so as to maintain an overall "hysteria of loyalty". It would be hard to live with that, and I can see why he would want to escape.

Also he mentions that there is no asylum in Indian soil for any soviet citizens? That's pretty sad if they are trying to escape. Sound like Berlin wall but Hindu-style?

JanusFIN can you also talk a bit more about how you see the new Soviet NWO structure taking place? I you were to imagine outward for say 24 months, what moves do you think would prove that your prediction of Russian NWO and return of the czar in Russia, to be thereby coming true?

I am personally not interested in becoming a vassal of some modern day Dracula or Stalin, so what do you think Americans should do? I am understanding here that you have travelled a lot, so your opinion is wanted here!


If what you are predicting comes to pass, in what way can Americans position themselves for a future less-bleak and painful than what these videos seem to describe?

[edit on 12-11-2008 by smallpeeps]