is this NASA video Proof that E.T.'s are trying to contact us ?

Originally posted by spacebagel

Originally posted by Lee_K
Space Bagel... Isnt your avatar the same image that everyone said was a lens flare? Doesnt look like a lens flare to me!

Everyone else said that's a lens flare? Those people don't use proven facts and experiments to back up what they say.

Those are debris/ice particles being at close proximity and out of focus by the camera.

Everyone who owns a camera knows this.



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To the 'everyone else' who claims they are aliens spaceship, these people need to get their heads out of the tin bucket, get connected to reality, and look for the facts themsleves.

I don't want to waste time explaining a proven fact at the expense of 'everyone else's indurated ignorance.








[edit on 2-11-2008 by spacebagel]

"You dont want to waste your time explaining to us a proven fact"
So basically what your saying is that its proven that ice particles fly in formation, can start at stop and will and can FLASH.!!!!!

Please SpaceBagel, if your making an argument, at least make sure theres some substance to it.
Ive heard you use this line before.

You need to look at a broader view of things, and not live in a fairytale world where you think everyone has your best interests at heart.

Personlly, i think the NASA tapes deserve a better explanation as there are clearly anomolies that cannot be and werent explained.
Nasa as far as Im concerned, is CLEARLY hiding something.

[edit on 2-11-2008 by Outlawstar]

[edit on 2-11-2008 by Outlawstar]

Originally posted by mikesingh
I had posted this earlier with a video grab of that intriguing formation here...
Were Aliens Sending A Message To The Space Shuttle?

Here's that image:

Note the almost perfect circle the objects form with the 'boss' in the middle! Intelligent ice particles? Dust in space? Stars? White holes? Camera glitches? Reflection? ........ Or just plain UFOs?

Cheers!

Hi Mike

Nice photo, thanks for posting that and i think there should be a Mikesingh search engine for people looking up UFO/Alien info because in all the searches i did, your thread never showed up anywhere and i never thought to search the title.

that photo is amazing and after looking at that capture...how could anyone say it is just a random accident that ice particles did this ?

and yes it almost seemed like the "Boss" was in the middle and the others were waiting for him

could it have been some sort of signal saying....

Look ,we are here and you are interfering with our domain ?

thanks again and



oh.. edit to add that there has to be a Internos and Zorgon search engine also



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Hey well thats for confirming to everyone how real the video is, SB.

Really, no, seriously, lets get down to the point, I dont want to scare you out of the thread before we even get started. Can you tell us about formation flying among ice particles, check the ol handbook and see what the "official line" on that one is my friend.

Do they have a swimming coach up there instructing them on formation movement? Was this some super spooky plan by NASA to make pretty dancing ice particles appear in the sky and reanact George Lucas "Star Wars" for us?

I think you get the point here dont you?

Anyway, really, to me they look more and more like spacecraft in formation every time I look

Id now state 100% they arent Ice Particles or "Space Debris".

What about some secret NASA test of future space weapons?

Ive seen these videos before............
I think they are presented very well and really show that something is actually happening in space.
Excellent evidence of UFO's i think- Something that stands out from the rubbish in the UFO community.
Anyone interested in the subject should review these vids.....

reply to post by spacebagel

Yeah David Sereda? He's a QUACK.

He claims that water has memory. I don't want to waste my time explaining his theory because it's the most ridiculous thoery I've ever heard.

There goes his credibility down the toilet.

i guess your entitled to your own opinion of David and there's nothing wrong with disagreeing with someones theory but remember how people were labled a quack because they believed the earth was round ?

the only thing i disagree or see a problem with here is that you have made an attempt to discredit David's credibility without providing a counter claim or any evidence that supports your skeptism to his theory and in my opinion..that's not very nice

Excellent thread.

I have seen these videos time and time again, and I'm always interested in hearing others' opinions on it.

The possibility exists that some of these particles are debris, or as another rediculous claim by NASA, human waste from the space shuttle. LOL, I know...right? The people at NASA are either crazy, or think we are. They're so hilarious.

Can someone explain to me why they are debris, space particles...or "natural phenomenon?"

The reason why some of these things cannot be debris is pretty obvious, but few people seem to see it, so I'll break it down just a bit.

Space particles/debris cannot change direction, slow down, speed up, stop or go. Why? Because they are weightless(they're in space people) and they have no propulsion. So there goes that theory/claim directly out the window.

Any other theories for me to debunk? Yes, I am officially...a debunker.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they all can't be space debris...because some of them can be...I'm saying...it's impossible(yep...that's right; impossible) for all of them to be debris.

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I just had a random thought- What are the chances all these rich industrialists aren't going into space for "fun time" But rather are making deals with ET........

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I like that idea, if something not physical in appearance, however i do believe that they are physical beings/crafts of some-sort

Makes me think of the post not that long ago about the hidden-hand, and the one claiming to be from the elite bloodline that rules the world.. He mentioned something about densities, like the 3rd density, 4th 5th and 6th and so on

maybe they are some kind of divine being, preparing for something?

i don't know, i guess i just let me mind wander a bit much =)

excellent vid by the way.

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Wow someone in NASA needs to hire this guy. The government needs someone to identify space junks in space but they have their hands full with all sorts of experiments in space I think they would need someone in the field of UFOlogy to identify all the aliens spaceships out there.

you might be right ? they may need someone to help clarify what is being seen in space...

reply to post by easynow


If anyone knows what's going on in space...it's NASA. The thing is...they don't want you to know.

Originally posted by spacebagel
Yeah David Sereda? He's a QUACK.

He claims that water has memory. I don't want to waste my time explaining his theory because it's the most ridiculous thoery I've ever heard.

There goes his credibility down the toilet.

Actually it was discovered by Jacques Benveniste, as im sure you well know.

He was debunked by the Medical Cartels and drummed out, does that sound about right?

Interesting you want to attach the idea to David Serada, he must be a very interesting guy

reply to post by sdrawkcabII

Excellent thread.

I have seen these videos time and time again, and I'm always interested in hearing others' opinions on it.

The possibility exists that some of these particles are debris, or as another rediculous claim by NASA, human waste from the space shuttle. LOL, I know...right? The people at NASA are either crazy, or think we are. They're so hilarious.

thanks for your post

yes i wanted others opinions as well because to me this was a smoking gun video that shows there is something going on in our atmosphere or orbital space that cannot be explained away as ice or debri as NASA would like you to believe.

scary to think human waste would be smart enough to form a circle pattern and illuminate itself

Originally posted by feydrautha
humans tend to connect dots and form patterns from randomness, our brains are geared toward pattern recognition. its not always accurate, big example: stellar constellations are imaginary.

like the patterns seen in space flotsam from our orbiter.

aliens advanced enough to come to this planet would be advanced enough to know how humans communicate.

they would have no need for the elaborately coy, ambiguous and vague displays that many naive enthusiasts offer up as 'proof'.

they could simply land on the whitehouse lawn and hold a press conference, certain that our news outlets would find the event newsworthy enough to cover.

there are countless other ways direct communication could take place, if that was their intention.

any advanced race who study humans even for a brief period of time could easily figure out how to communicate with us.

yet they do not.

either because 1. they do not wish to be discovered or 2. they do not exist.

i defer to Occam's razor in this case.

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Let's say that the objects in the first video are actually energy-based alien lifeforms that can fly in space without a spaceship, and can illuminate themselves. How then can these lifeforms communicate with us? Does not seem simple to me.

Originally posted by sdrawkcabII
reply to post by easynow

 

If anyone knows what's going on in space...it's NASA. The thing is...they don't want you to know.

well i am not 100% sure they know exactly what's going on in space. but i think they have somewhat of an idea.

i think the secrecy (cover up)about what they know is because it would be bad for the Big oil companies and other members of the Military industrial complex for the public to find out that there is Alien technology that could give us free energy.

i also believe that the Goverments would lose control over us if we found out that there are E.T.'s watching what they are doing to us.

some people can see the picture and they are the ones that won't be as shocked when this all comes out.

Easy E...easy does it - again.

Great thread...

You know, one sure tell sign that you have something of worth here - none of the "heavy weights" have chimed in...

Only the rookie debunkers...and for obvious reasons - as these videos clearly (opinion here) show craft of intelligent origin...unlike most of the debunking posts on this thread...





grammar edit!

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Originally posted by GrayFox
c. The aliens are stupid.
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I think someone else is stupid.
Between you and me, it's not me.

Guys,

The "clouds" or "fog" you're seeing in this footage is actually "lens flare". This happens whenever sunlight hits the front element of the camera lens.

Originally posted by snowen20
Im sorry, every ounce of my being is trying to accept what I see are space aliens and intelligent craft, But the adult in me says it's space dust.

Wow. that was incredibly smug I apologize.

I want to believe it is alien craft flying in formation but it is just SCREAMING "SPACE DUST"..

Why space dust though? What in that video would lead you to conclude that what you are seeing forming a circle pattern and lighting up permanintly/ and pulsating makes you think " HMMMM space dust ! " ?????????

Originally posted by C.H.U.D.
Guys,

The "clouds" or "fog" you're seeing in this footage is actually "lens flare". This happens whenever sunlight hits the front element of the camera lens.

No they arent. Lens flares dont pass behind objects.

Originally posted by silver6ix
reply to post by Darthorious

 

Actually its been :claimed to be debunked.

Smart people might tell you lens flares really dont behave anything like that especially since theres more than one moving in very specific directions, although im fairly sure someone would love for the "debunk" to stick

Bottom line, careful who you trust, like Mulder said, trust noone. People have a brain and my best advice to anyone would be to use it, make you own mind up on EVERYTHING. Truth in the modern age is transcient and deceptive. Someone tells you they are telling the truth, you can be pretty sure they might be lying.

Doubt it when they re-created the effect to perfection everyone but the scientist they have employed was pretty let down by it. I'm sure the video's on youtube. It pretty much takes the 99% real 1% chance it's lens flare and flips the table the other way.