is this NASA video Proof that E.T.'s are trying to contact us ?

reply to post by _Phoenix_


the sts-75 nasa video contains optical illusions due to the conditions of the camera and the objects that look to pass behind the tether actually pass in front and are out of focus. The distinct shape of the objects with the hole in the center are an optical illusion due to the mirror that outlines the camera projecting a circle in the middle of each object. Ufo hunters shows this clearly.

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Freakin sweet, just like the crafts in the sts 75 vid mike serada uses. very cool, is seems like they come in from no where or interdimensionaly, or maybe enen into our viewable light spectrum. So cool

reply to post by Phage


Hi Phage,

I'm not so sure it's "blooming". Blooming tends to be a localized effect as far as I'm aware. This effect we are seeing is not really localized. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some blooming going on as well, but I'm pretty sure flare is the main cause behind the drop in contrast. Either way, it's pretty much a given that there will be at least some flare when the Sun shines into a lens.

Anyway, it makes little difference what it's called - as long as we can agree that pointing the camera towards the Sun is what is resulting in the drop in contrast.

Agreed, perhaps it's not a perfect circle... more like a pentagon (hexagon if that's another object under your circle @ 11 o'clock) if anything.

I 'm not saying it's likely, but whatever the formation, you have to admit that it's puzzling that individual objects, drifting along minding their own business, would one by one move together due to attitude adjustments. Not only that, but happening to stop at just the right time, holding that position in relation to others while all the while, more bursts of the thrusters are nudging the others into place.

It seems strange that one object is affected at a time, and the others are not affected by the attitude adjustments... highly improbable IMO, and on top of that, we have them matching the speed of the shuttle... it seems unlikely at best, but then so does ETs.

I'd like to see what a statistical annalist would make of this footage!

This is the one case where I'm staying firmly on the fence... almost anything is possible, so I'm keeping an open mind until someone can convince me otherwise.

Originally posted by Steve B

In this video it is possible that one of the objects are in the cloud layer, unlike all the other NASA videos that lack scale. However I have noticed that C.H.U.D. dosen't think they are even clouds. I am not an expert but you are, I would love your opinion on this video. It cloud be the most significant slice of NASA so far.

There are a few reasons why these could not be clouds...

Firstly - it's in space, and there are no clouds (at least not of the type we are familiar with here on Earth)
Secondly - it's in space...
Thirdly - it's in space...
Fourthly - it's in space...

Joking aside, there's just no way it could be clouds... clouds are only in our lower atmosphere, and our atmosphere is really only a very thin "film" that coats the planet... most do not realize just how thin.

Anyway, to be able to orbit, you have to be outside the atmosphere, well past the point where clouds are possible. Even the upper atmosphere, which is unbelievably thin would rapidly decelerate orbiting objects to the point where they would re-enter.

Also, if you look carefully at the footage, and when the camera points towards Earth, you can see where the clouds are, and where space begins - just scroll up to the "ring-formation" pics.

I think we can all agree that these are not clouds, but an effect created by the Sun shining into the camera????

Originally posted by GrayFox
If they REALLY want attention though, then they're just not doing it right. It shouldn't be too hard for them to land or send radio signals to different places around the world. However, if they're using some sort of communication we can't understand, then maybe they don't want to make further contact until we can actually understand somehow. Just my speculation though.

I think you are pretty close to the mark here. You could speculate Chimps think the same thing about Humans. "Those bald Apes just aren't doing it right, All they would have to do is jump out of their strange metal eggs and groom Charlice, eat some fleas and we are rockin!"

Queue planet of the Apes theme when we figure it out.

The creators of any craft capable of Starflight/Dimensional travel are probably quite far beyond us. You could say "well those same intelligences should be able to figure out how to talk to us", well yes... and no. If we figure out how to talk to Chimps right at this very second I don't think String theory is a topic we will share any time soon, Bananas and fart jokes-maybe.

Originally posted by silver6ix
NASA Masters? Now do you have evidence to support your wild speculation or did you just pulled that one out of the nether oooops the ether?

And it seems neither party won't budge from their proclamations but it is safe to say the believers are the ones who has the most outrageous claims with ZERO EVIDENCE to back them up, negating the mundane phenomenon of proven science and optics, comon sense and logical reasoning but embracing inured ignorance and deluded paranoia.

As Usual for the Sceptics and Debunkers

YOU WONT LOOK AT OR EXPLAIN THE TRUTH!

Look at my post here

PROOF FULL STOP NO ARGUMENTS DEBUNK THIS!

Layers of words over scientific facts to keep your "Norm" and Belief structure alive.

kind regards,

Elf.

reply to post by MischeviousElf


Hey Elf,

Yeah, most of us heard about the other "phenomena", and that's exactly what it is "another phenomena"- that we don't understand yet. It could be anything, but there's no reason to assume it's anything to do with ET.

I don't think anyone is denying that we don't understand it all. Heck, just a few years back we discovered a new form of "lightning" called a "sprite"... these things are HUGE, and enormously powerful, but no one had any inkling they existed till now!

Remember, these things are here on Earth (well, in our atmosphere anyway), and what we are talking about is up there in space... It stands to reason that we will know less about things only ever seen in space.

I will say this though - I've never heard of this phenomena outside of conspiracy circles, so NASA seems to have kept it pretty quiet, and the public in the dark about it - why, I don't know, but there could be any number of reasons...

hahaha
it think that the thread title says it all. but still, i guess that could sort of tie into what my thread is about. basically, some theroies about e.t.s and if we need help.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by C.H.U.D.


We do actually have clouds in our outer atmosphere aswell but not like the ones were used to seeing, however I dont believe these are clouds in this video...

reply to post by C.H.U.D.


ATTENTION
This is Steve B. Sorry the computer I am on won't let me log in for some reason so I have to reply anonymously. Thank you C.H.U.D. for your reply.

There are a few reasons why these could not be clouds...

Firstly - it's in space, and there are no clouds (at least not of the type we are familiar with here on Earth)
Secondly - it's in space...
Thirdly - it's in space...
Fourthly - it's in space...

Oh whats that big thing centre frame? thats right the earth! I know it happens to be in space but also forms clouds on its surface.

Joking aside, there's just no way it could be clouds... clouds are only in our lower atmosphere, and our atmosphere is really only a very thin "film" that coats the planet... most do not realize just how thin.

Seriously whats your point whether clouds form in the upper or lower atmophere or not? Are you saying they would be invisible from space? As for how thin the atmosphere is you can actually see this, watch the first video I posted you can see a layer that surrounds the horizon, our atmosphere.

Anyway, to be able to orbit, you have to be outside the atmosphere, well past the point where clouds are possible. Even the upper atmosphere, which is unbelievably thin would rapidly decelerate orbiting objects to the point where they would re-enter.

Once again I don't see the relevance of this point? Are you saying the satellite can not take pictures of our atmosphere and the clouds in it unless it is also in it? It is above our atmophere taking pictures of clouds in our atmosphere.

Also, if you look carefully at the footage, and when the camera points towards Earth, you can see where the clouds are, and where space begins - just scroll up to the "ring-formation" pics.

So now you can see clouds I thought that was impossible

I think we can all agree that these are not clouds, but an effect created by the Sun shining into the camera????

No, what you have given me is poor reasoning IMO, I do notice the flare all the way to the left of screen but there are clouds in this video. If you watch the first video I posted you can see what I am referring to as cloud across the whole screen in a patchy pattern.

Also what about the lightening coming from the 'clouds' on the right just before the end? another effect from the sun in the lens?

reply to post by Lee_K


Good point... NLCs are rare exception to there being no clouds in the upper atmosphere... but even they are way down below the altitude the footage was taken from, as I'm sure you are well aware.



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reply to post by C.H.U.D.

but even they are way down below the altitude the footage was taken from,

that may be true but who's to say that the ufo didn't come from that part of the atmosphere ?

when that particular ufo shows up in the video you can't tell where it came from imo and it could have gone thru a cloud.

reply to post by C.H.U.D.


Thank you C.H.U.D. for your reply, I finally worked out what was wrong with this computer if an anon post comes up with this just ignore it.

There are a few reasons why these could not be clouds...

Firstly - it's in space, and there are no clouds (at least not of the type
we are familiar with here on Earth)
Secondly - it's in space...
Thirdly - it's in space...
Fourthly - it's in space...

Oh whats that big thing centre frame? thats right the earth! I know it
happens to be in space but also forms clouds on its surface.

Joking aside, there's just no way it could be clouds... clouds are only in
our lower atmosphere, and our atmosphere is really only a very thin "film"
that coats the planet... most do not realize just how thin.

Seriously whats your point whether clouds form in the upper or lower
atmosphere or not? Are you saying they would be invisible from space? As
for how thin the atmosphere is you can actually see this, watch the first
video I posted you can see a layer that surrounds the horizon, our
atmosphere.

Anyway, to be able to orbit, you have to be outside the atmosphere, well
past the point where clouds are possible. Even the upper atmosphere, which
is unbelievably thin would rapidly decelerate orbiting objects to the point
where they would re-enter.

Once again I don't see the relevance of this point? Are you saying the
satellite can not take pictures of our atmosphere and the clouds in it
unless it is also in it? It is above our atmosphere taking pictures
of clouds in our atmosphere.

Also, if you look carefully at the footage, and when the camera points
towards Earth, you can see where the clouds are, and where space begins -
just scroll up to the "ring-formation" pics.

So now you can see clouds I thought that was impossible Maybe I don't get what you mean here?

I think we can all agree that these are not clouds, but an effect created
by the Sun shining into the camera????

No, what you have given me is poor reasoning IMO, I do notice the flare all
the way to the left of screen but there are clouds in this video. If you
watch the first video I posted you can see what I am referring to as cloud
across the whole screen in a patchy pattern.

Also what about the lightening coming from the 'clouds' on the right
just before the end? another effect from the sun in the lens?

Originally posted by easynow
that may be true but who's to say that the ufo didn't come from that part of the atmosphere ?

when that particular ufo shows up in the video you can't tell where it came from imo and it could have gone thru a cloud.

OK, first of all, what particular UFO are you talking about, and secondly, what's the point you're trying to make here?

I don't know why people claim that NASA lies. NASA has some of the most brilliant minds. If they really thought for a moment it was an alien technology, you'd never see it. That people suggest they leave a machine to find eyes-only, top secret material is ludicrous. They also don't accidently "miss" things. If it alien technology, they intend for us to see it.

As far as this one goes, it could be man-made, something to consider. Who knows what our government or other governments have floating around our planet by this point.

Originally posted by ufoorbhunter
Not quite sure why there's an obsession here with ufo orbs creating a perfect circle. There is an obvious gathering going on. Why the need to form a perfect circle? Get a group of nine people to get together and they too will form a similar circle as they come from different directions like sports players do. They will form a circle but it will never be precise, why should ufo orbs be expected to be perfect? They too are individuals like humans.
The one in the middle is probably something high up on the scale, maybe like a super angel, the ones on the outside like disciples. These things are very real and the US and UK militaries have been denying them ever since the Foo Fighter phenomenon of WW2 which was certainly the same entities.

Exactly! Its a rather embarrassing attempt to grasp at straws when trying to explain this one away. I seriously think to ponder and then actually suggest a non-perfect circle as an actual argument is absolute rubbish. Pathetic even. Fantastic pseudo skeptic science at its best.

reply to post by C.H.U.D.

OK, first of all, what particular UFO are you talking about, and secondly, what's the point you're trying to make here?

this one..



there are actually two UFO's at the point of the arrow and one is black colored and the other is a similar color to the clouds making it hard to see untill it lights up later in the video.


my point is that these two ufo's to me do not appear to be at the same altitude as the others at this point in the video(i could be wrong)

this makes it possible that it was actually going thru a cloud that was in the extreme upper atmosphere.


www.usatoday.com...
science.nasa.gov...

then you said this...

NLCs are rare exception to there being no clouds in the upper atmosphere... but even they are way down below the altitude the footage was taken from, as I'm sure you are well aware.

so really my overall point was that it is certainly possible that the UFO i pointed out could have gone thru a cloud and it is possible that these particular UFO's did come from a lower orbit or perhaps the upper atmosphere and were gaining altitude during the sequence.

so my response was because of the above quote and it seemed as if you were saying the ufo could not have passed thru a cloud and i beg to differ.

if i have mistaken your thoughts or misjudged what you were saying then i apologize in advance

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reply to post by easynow


Hey easynow, I think the light dot to the right of the object in question is actually land. It moves with the rest of the earth.

Obviously from my last post to C.H.U.D. I agree with you I don't see why taking the picture from space means it is impossible to photograph clouds??

Originally posted by Steve B

Oh whats that big thing centre frame? thats right the earth! I know it
happens to be in space but also forms clouds on its surface.

That's right... but it's a long way off, and as I said before you can see where the clouds are on Earth. What do you not understand about this?

Originally posted by Steve B
Seriously whats your point whether clouds form in the upper or lower
atmosphere or not? Are you saying they would be invisible from space? As
for how thin the atmosphere is you can actually see this, watch the first
video I posted you can see a layer that surrounds the horizon, our
atmosphere.

OK, perhaps I should have explained a little better, but basically the lower part of our atmosphere is the only part where you get clouds (apart from NLCs ( nacreous clouds too), and they are rare). It makes up only a tiny part of our atmosphere, and this is what you see as the "surface" of our planet in this footage. Above that is the upper atmosphere (obviously) which is much deeper, and also much thinner in terms of air - there is very little compared to the lower part which is much more dense. Unlike the lower atmosphere the upper boundary is much less well defined - the air gets gradually thinner the higher you go, and y the time you get to the point where satellites are able to operate for example, there is virtually none, or else satellites would de-orbit frequently!

The "halo" you see around the Earth is from the upper atmosphere, which is well below the altitude at which the shuttle operates. So, there is a massive gap between where the camera is and where clouds can exist.

Clouds in Earth's atmosphere are visible from space, as I have said before.

Here's a diagram - keep in mind the shuttle operates at around 400km and NLC's which are the highest clouds in our atmosphere are about 100km IIRC:

Originally posted by Steve B
Once again I don't see the relevance of this point? Are you saying the
satellite can not take pictures of our atmosphere and the clouds in it
unless it is also in it? It is above our atmosphere taking pictures
of clouds in our atmosphere.

see above

Originally posted by Steve B
No, what you have given me is poor reasoning IMO, I do notice the flare all
the way to the left of screen but there are clouds in this video. If you
watch the first video I posted you can see what I am referring to as cloud
across the whole screen in a patchy pattern.

Also what about the lightening coming from the 'clouds' on the right
just before the end? another effect from the sun in the lens?

I'm sorry, I don't have time to look for your links now, but if you would like to post them here along with the times at which the event appear, then I'll take a gander...

Anyway, it makes little difference, as I've tried to explain above... I'm not an atmospheric expert... perhaps if we could get OZweatherman in here...

reply to post by Steve B


not sure if were seeing the same thing or talking about the same object then because the light or whiteish looking dot that is just above the darker object but to the right a little is definitely not part of the earth or a cloud.

you can see that it appears after the the darker one appears and you can easily see it flying faster than the earth.

i think that particular UFO is lower than the rest but does gain altitude and then settles into position and lights up. i could be wrong but that's what it looks like to me

[edit on 3-11-2008 by easynow]