Sun to Engulf Our Planet Unless We Move it

The solution is to move to Mars, terreform it first with huge ice asteroids and mineral rich meteorites. As the planet warms, fill it with plant and animal life from every Earth species, and then enjoy another 10 billion years under the bright red sun we call Sol. If you need a magnetic shield like the Earth, reheat the interrior with a large size moon and there you go.. the convective forces will create a dynamo effect and give Mars a magnetoshpere.

What if it doesnt take 5 billion years. What if scientists are not really as smart as the let on, and there are a thousand others possiblities that could kill our planet in the mean time.

6 Billion people on earth and we have not even begun making preparation for re-location. even if we started now we are bound to be hit with a meteor or massive amounts of radiation before we complete any plans.

We have already wasted enough time, i doubt we will ever reach those heights. If humans are working on a plan "B", the bulk of us that paid the taxes that would fund such experiments would not be alowed to come along for the ride.

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People



Correct, not to mention the fact that moving the earth would kill us off anyway.

We'll be long gone before this occurs. Most of us right here on this site we'll be gone within 70-80 years more than likely.

The sun turns into a red giant when it runs out of Hydrogen fuel, which it normally fuses into helium. Eventually the reaction stops and we have only helium left. Then it starts fusing helium into other elements, and due to various reasons, the size and temperature changes when this happens. Methods for measuring the composition of the sun, while I do not know the exact method, are relatively precise - we can even tell many things even about stars light years away, therefore, the measurements should be relatively precise. I too, hope we can get world peace and focus on colonising space!

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Mars took considerable damage in the past. I believe Earth is a healthier prospect. But moving the planet before it needs to be moved, and before our science could actually do this in the correct manner is just foolish. I think Mars is in a position where it gets hit by more astroids too! If we don't destroy ourselves, we will eventually move outwards, with or without this planet. From what I've read Earth is considered the property of more than just us. Some day in the future, with disclosure a thing of the distant past, and adjustments made to bring us up be more on par with the cosmos, in terms of decent civilized equalized behavior on this planet would mean possible survival as a race down the road. If we fail in altering this abusive planet run by its bloodthirsty elite, we would never be permitted to move the planet or relocate. No other race in the cosmos would allow this.

Originally posted by VIKINGANT
the solution?

But moving the entire population of the planet Earth would take as many as 270 years if 1,000 rockets would take off every day. Even if the emigration worked, adjusting to a new planet would not be simple.

So that wont work?

We're talking of a few million years in the future! So that calculation of 1000 rockets for 270 years holds no water. We would have advanced to a level that we could build anti grav spaceships big enough to accommodate an entire city the size of say New York! So the author is talking 5 billion years in the future but with technologies of the 21st century! Good heavens! His slip is showing!

How about...

But scientists thought of a better solution than mass evacuation to other planets. How about if we moved the entire planet?

Oh darn! Who is this guy who says that the sun would swallow up the Earth ( when it becomes a red giant?). As per the laws of celestial mechanics, the Earth would most likely be pushed outward as the mass of the sun decreases, just as as the orbital velocity of Earth.

So why the heck do they want to move the Earth?!!

Cheers!

[edit on 24-10-2008 by mikesingh]

Originally posted by mikesingh...Oh darn! Who is this guy who says that the sun would swallow up the Earth ( when it becomes a red giant?). As per the laws of celestial mechanics, the Earth would most likely be pushed outward as the mass of the sun increases, just as as the orbital velocity of Earth...

So why the heck do they want to move the Earth?!!

Wouldn't only the volume of the Sun increase, and NOT the mass?

Having said that, I don't know that much about "the laws of celestial mechanics" to know if an increase in the volume of the Sun would push the Earth outward or not.

By that time, we'll have personal wormhole devices that will allow us to target any planet we want to visit. You'll just pop in the coordinates and walk in, three steps later, you're light-years away.

Moving the earth to a new orbit around the sun is a very short sighted plan. The red giant stage will be brief, only a couple of billion years, after that the sun will collapse into a white dwarf. So there the earth will be, far far awar from our little star, and we will have to move....again.

Better plan is to leave the neighborhood entirely, abandon the hydrogen furnace that was our incubator. Once we get earth moving there is no reason to stop. Out! Out to the cold and dark!

Long before the sun expands we will have mastered the total conversion of mass to energy (and vice versa). We will have all the energy we need to both move our world and to provide heat and light as we move out and away from the very core of our galaxy.

[edit on 24-10-2008 by Phage]

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Having said that, I don't know that much about "the laws of celestial mechanics" to know if an increase in the volume of the Sun would push the Earth outward or not.

It gets very tricky:
Ultimate fate

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I cant believe yall are serious here ..
Dont you think that is planning just a little too far ahead ...dont we have some MAJOR more serious stuff that we need to be FIXING or changing or whatever RIGHT NOW in this generation ... ...

Not to mention that EVEN IF (which I dont believe you could) you could even do something like this ..it would not work ...no one has even considered the implications of doing something like that ....it would throw everything out of balance ..wouldnt it ?
What is wrong with man ..he thinks he is so like God that he could move the earth ..maybe they need to first figure out how to move a mountain ..before thinking on moveing a whole planet ....(Not that they could even move a mountain because they cant ) ...

This is insane ..

Hopefully humanity will have evolved beyond any need for the Earth by that point in time. I'm willing to bet however that we'll have found a way to blow ourselves up long before then.

90 of the world population is going to be killed off, then the elite are going to ditch this planet. if you think it isnt going to happen or that the technology doesnt exsist, then keep on keepin on. READ Old World Secrets the Omega Project Codes! look up project lucifer as well.

Well even if the scientists were successful enough to put earth in the orbit of mars and escape the swelling of the sun, we are surely in for another problem, supernova, yes, after the sun expands, the gravity cannot hold it and it collapses, causing a immense explosion and resulting in a supernova and the planet would be immediately vaopurised by that force and temperature.

And even if we survived that too, there would be another problem, the sun either turns into a white dwarf or a black hole, if it is a white dwarf, there wouldnt be sufficient light available for us, and if it were a black hole it would gobble us, if the LHC created black hole didnt gobble us.