The "up-to-the-minute Market Data" thread

havent' posted much in about 2 years....but it seems like it's almost time for the "fun" to begin again.

i learned in the last 2 years how well the federal reserve can extend and pretend and keep the economy chugging despite overindebtedness....esp w/ china growing and monetary accomodation from the bank of japan...BOE...and euro Cent. bank .

they added more debt on top of the debt and successfully kicked the can down the road. There are a few realities that are diffiuclt to escape.

Debt based monetary systems collapse from overindebtedness or the currency's underpinning them collapse due to the fed's efforts to stave off the former.

We are nearing the end of the current debt based monetary system.

There will be a new "crisis" soon and the timing and manner in which the central bank's respond will determine how much of a market crash may preclude their response

Look for currency's and soverign debt credit spreads to blow out

reply to post by cpdaman


Are we not already seeing this phenomenon in Europe today? Or are you suggesting this will escalate into a full global meltdown?

Interesting pic....

China can now bypass Wall Street when buying U.S. government debt and go straight to the U.S. Treasury, in what is the Treasury's first-ever direct relationship with a foreign government, according to documents viewed by Reuters.
The relationship means the People's Bank of China buys U.S. debt using a different method than any other central bank in the world.
The other central banks, including the Bank of Japan, which has a large appetite for Treasuries, place orders for U.S. debt with major Wall Street banks designated by the government as primary dealers. Those dealers then bid on their behalf at Treasury auctions.
www.reuters.com...

For your consideration , ATSer Sheri Questioning All posted an interesting freebee on her blog yesterday.

Courtesy of Bill Murphy.

Bill Murphy of GATA and LeMetropoleCafe, Rare Sunday Commentary "CFTC may be Forced to Do Something soon about the Silver Shorts."

Bill Murphy the Founder of GATA (Gold Anti Trust Action Committee) and who has a Gold subscription Newsletter at www.LeMetropoleCafe.com , wrote a special Sunday Report. Bill has been kind enough to give me permission to reproduce it here in full.

Some of it is about JP Morgan and the information regarding their 2 Billion (ever increasing day by day - now 5 billion) losses through their "hedging" trade desk.

It is extremely interesting information especially the part about the CFTC and their being at the edge of having to take some action, regarding JPM's metal shorts.

Since the newsletter is being reproduced in full, you will see Bill's other comments/information on various other financial events, like the FB (Facepalm) IPO. - continue reading

reply to post by OBE1


Is not surprised when it comes to the crocks in Wall Street sugar coating figures, I posted that the so call blunder of JP Morgan could reach 12 billion dollars and that figure is just what the people and share holders will be allowed to know.

But with the major players controlling the markets JP morgan at the top we will never know.

reply to post by OBE1



Very good articles! A couple things that stood out:

We have already been informed, as of a week ago, that the Morgan losses on their "hedge trade" fiasco could be as high as $15 billion, or more. Already, even the WSJ is alluding that their losses are higher than $5 billion. This is MEGA! As we have discussed on PLANET GATA, this is not just about Morgan, but confidence in the entire financial system. If the $70 trillion derivatives book at Morgan goes NUCLEAR, we could have a financial market TITANIC event which might be right around the corner

I seriously doubt the CTFT will do anything significant. They may do a couple of token hand slaps at best just to cover their asses when this all blows up

The Dow is going down day after day, not with any fanfare, but all rallies are sold. In very quiet and subdued selling, general investors inherently know something is wrong and are acting upon that instinct.

*Europe is falling apart we know, but little is being said about how the US financial system is in parallel with Europe. How bad is this? Just the state of California budget deficit goes from something like $8 billion to a staggering $16 billion and it creates almost no commotion. Huh?

I have been amazed for the last couple of years that crap like this continues to go on and the dominoes have not fallen yet. We all know they will eventually but when is the big question

New GEAB report.
Nice pie chart

www.leap2020.eu...

reply to post by hawkiye


Well from 12 billion to 15 I am very surprised that it has gone this high on the speculations, this prove once and for all that the fiasco at JP Morgan is going to be massive, I mean massive.

What will be more interesting to see is how the crocks are to sell the story to the public.

Propaganda is such a powerful tool in the hands of corrupted entities that controls our government.

After all they got away with using tax payer money to bailout the crocks before via bailouts.

JP Morgan is the originator of the swap scam so they created the mess and in the crap they will died.

reply to post by DangerDeath


Interesting that today in the news already the government is working out the public with news of a budget default that will bring the nation to recession if the tax cuts and budget needs are not meet before the year.

The propaganda team is working at full gear already.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by DangerDeath

 

Bring the nation to recession if the tax cuts and budget needs are not met

Bring the nation into recession??? LMAO there is nothing to bring its been brought. The US is not only in recession its in depression.

reply to post by TiM3LoRd


That is joke been played to all of us the American tax payers, see when it comes to the propaganda machine in the corporate dictatorship we call government is not such thing as recession and the last time they came public with the nations economic overview, we were "stable" but the only ones making the money where the crocks in Wall Street that got bailout, while hard working Americas has only been receiving unemployment and hardships.

The lies are catching up with the crocks.

In the past I have maintained an optimistic view of the stock market. Well those days are over. I still think that 10 years from now stock investors will be doing well, but the next few years will be extremely rough.

There is no ifs , ands, or buts about it, we need a new money system. The collapse can only be delayed for so much longer. Not sure if Greece alone is enough to destroy it but that will set off new problems which will end being more than the system can stand.

reply to post by sligtlyskeptical


What is not coming public is the vermin behind the economic problems that started the crisis in Greece, as usual the names JP Morgan and their swap scam is at the top.

If Greece goes down the one to be impacted the most is JP Morgan first is not going to be a direct hit due to the fact that JP Morgan has tentacles spanning around the Global banks with their many entities that runs under separate investment firms as to make it look like they are not linked.

Like that they can kill the subsidiaries branches before it hits home.

They were behind the downfall of Lehman Brothers this tell you how they can span their tentacles of corruption and cut them lose before it infect them directly.

Sadly this is no going to happen this time, they go hit and they got hit big time.

So are we at the edge of the ledge? Is it all down hill from here? or will there be a last min stick save from the FEDs

I think the End Game is near.

Last from Martin Armstrong

www.martinarmstrong.org...

They Are Coming To Take Your Money Away

Ho Ho, Hee Hee,

Hum Hum!

I have been warning that government is getting VERY aggressive all because of the Sovereign Debt Crisis. I have warned that this problem CANNOT be solved in the manner in which they are pursuing – taxing everyone & everything. They are about to destroy the economy and we are headed toward a major period of authoritarianism. There is a steady flow of bills being introduced in Washington that are design to eliminate the Constitution all to save the Bureaucracy. They are going to make DWI a federal offense. Sure, drunk drivers are dangerous. The question becomes what is drunk? When there is money involved and profit for government, do not be foolish to really think they are doing anything for society. The kill switch on the Internet is to cut off the free press and to eliminate the right to assemble since they saw how the Arab youth used social media to organize their revolutions.

Now on January 1st, 2013, the US government will be requiring everyone to have direct deposit for Social Security checks and pensions. Why? Well guess what. There is another bill HR 4646 that will impose a 1% tax on ALL transactions in a bank account. This is not income. This is money flow - a 1% tax on all bank transactions which will include paychecks, retirement checks and Social Security checks. That will even include a 1% tax on your refund check from the IRS. They want direct deposit and eliminate “paper money” to enable them to now tax your cash flow regardless if you make money or not. This bill was introduced by Representative Chaka Fattah (D-PA). They will tax everything before REFORM because this is all about retaining power. The next target 2016 is looking very grim indeed. Forget the gold standard. They want everything electronic and eliminate cash! Watch!

All his texts here www.martinarmstrong.org...

so this is a false flag??


cause if the German Police ,,did in fact ,,join the protesters,,it would indicate a huge swing in the politics of Germany,,
so i guess we wait and see.

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Well Germany is done,,there out of the Euro Union.

"German police officers escort an anti-capitalism protest march with some 20,000 people in Frankfurt, Germany, Saturday, May 19, 2012. Protesters peacefully filled the city center of continental Europe's biggest financial hub in their protest against the dominance of banks and what they perceive to be untamed capitalism""

Ya they wont back the Govt. Decisions,,and they will side with the german workers,,,,they always have,,
deja vue all over again,,
Merkle is done without Sarcozy.
Germans will decimate her Politically,, it's a German, failure thing.

Euro Union.,,renewed Roman Empire,,,finished.



*********UPDATE**********FROM RELIABLE SOURCE************************

NOT A FALSE FLAG

lol

seems true,,,though i haven't watched the video yet.

Can you feel it??
I've been watching this section for the past few years and everything that we have been expecting to happen really seems to be becoming a reality.
Buckle your seatbelts this s**** about to get real.
Unless they manage to kick the can further down the road, which is very likely
Which begs the question, are we running out of road?

Originally posted by SpaceMonkeys
Can you feel it??
I've been watching this section for the past few years and everything that we have been expecting to happen really seems to be becoming a reality.
Buckle your seatbelts this s**** about to get real.
Unless they manage to kick the can further down the road, which is very likely

Which begs the question, are we running out of road?

The can kicking has a half life. The last can kicking lasted (greece bailout) what a month? Are we really that close to the coming dark ages squared? Its getting scary but it needs to happen. I feel bad for those that blow me off and think everything is going to fine....

How things really work. A lesson from recently "discovered" (as in "previously unknown") history

torrentz.eu...

Everyone should see this.

Same thing happened when the English "sold" RR Nene jet engine to Russians, who then made thousands of MiG 15. Was it the MiG that fell in Area 51 in 1947? Oh, no! It was a flying saucer A baloon

Same thing with Zuckerberg (Sugarmountain). He will get away for the next 70 years, until it is revealed what really happened