The "up-to-the-minute Market Data" thread

There is some BIG money playing HARD for the last 30-45 minutes working to keep this from further fall.

Volume has tapered back off right now, lunch time for the money man LOL

I still say it will be fall before the coming crash, and with the games being played, it may end up being spring (Oh I hope not, I'll lose money selling all those Dec puts)

But we will see a few episodes like this & worse. EVERYTHING on the market is severely oversold. Even with this sell off today (Ben need $$ for that TALF Extension???) it's still oversold.

But days like today with The USD, Equities, Oil & Gold all falling at the same time are rare (and kinda fun when you are expecting a crash 2.0)

reply to post by redhatty


Yes I noticed that also, money is been transfered at a very fast pace in the last few minutes.

I can not believe how manipulated our markets are.

Holy Carp!!!

JPM is quoted saying they expect 8% 2H09 GDP Growth?!?!?

Either that is the biggest "pump" I've ever heard, or, their spokesman was quoted coming out of the Bar at closing time with Charlie Gasperino!!!

[edit on 8/17/2009 by Hx3_1963]

As usual the key word is Market correction I guess if you recite it enough like a mantra it will start to work like a prayer.

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Bring out the BIG GUNS....

Call it a pure coincidence, but the second the OMO closed at 11am, someone(s) sold a boatload of dollars. Stocks looking so much prettier since.

[edit on 17-8-2009 by RolandBrichter]

Someone else agrees with me on this apparently.

the 50 EMA and the 200 EMA are very powerful

remember, when the 50 EMA crosses the 200 the index or stock you are looking at usually actually goes down, tests***, then moves higher if the test holds.

might be doing the same thing here.. I might have to summon that UFO lol


blogs.stockcharts.com...

reply to post by RolandBrichter


HFT is in full swing on the /ES. Just watched the .25 cent changes push then .50 cent change push. I sold my options at a 24 pt payoff.

works out pretty good when the payoff is on 25 cent handles

In the market news . . .

Asia Stocks Hit by US Consumer Confidence

www.cnbc.com...

What the heck they care about how the US consumer feel about stuff? Don't they realize that the dollar is finished to be replaced by the yuan ASAP? Why don't they care about their own continental confidence -- or is China a part of the Arctic? Aren't they familiar with Celeste's apocalyptic visions concerning the USA? Don't the Asian traders read ATS before placing orders?

You know I feel like telling Mr. Goldman to let it go and leave the step leader in the garage for today. Just let the yuan-loving Asians simmer for a bit longer. We are quarterly exactly where we are supposed to be according to the plan, and there is always time to feed the pig some other time. Let's not rush -- let the world know once again that without the USA there is no world.
Yeeeep.

I feel the next short squeeze coming on........................Just one more or two more down days and then Ben and Goldman can buy more equities and scare the shorts into rallying the indices. How many times has this happened in the past 5 months already?

In the market news . . .

Stocks Fall 2% as Market Gets a Reality Check

“There’s no basic foundation for the run-up we’ve had, been far too rapid," Dan Deighan, founder of Deighan Financial Advisors, told CNBC. He predicts we're going to see a 25 to 50 percent drop in the market — and it's going to be fast.

When Mr. Goldman comes back from the dentist around 3:00pm, he may draw a reality check under this prediction.

The Dow curve is horizontal -- that's not a harbinger of any liposuction, is it?

[edit on 8/17/2009 by stander]

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
I feel the next short squeeze coming on........................Just one more or two more down days and then Ben and Goldman can buy more equities and scare the shorts into rallying the indices. How many times has this happened in the past 5 months already?

Lol...poor bastards have been torched repeatedly... it's hard to win against the House... especially one with its own printing press

Most of the guys that I know are waiting to see what happens in the next couple of sessions, lots of sweaty trigger fingers out there...

EESSHHHHHH ..... if the markets tank now it will be simply catastrophic for Americans. Why? .. I am going to try and dig out the news articles, I remember they were from Bloomberg, hell I probably linked them somewhere in this mega thread...

Anywho..

It outlined the deposit/withdraw rates on 401K and other retirement (variable) accounts, as well as non-retirement accounts such as Mutual and Hedge funds.

The withdraw rate outpaced deposits all the way into June.. as people didn't believe in the Rally. By this time with MSM pushing "better than expected" the Deposit rates began to accelerate.. I have not seen the withdraw/deposit rates past July but the trend showed a steep incline of deposits.

Why is this bad?

Like always with these volatile markets the average investor is behind the times.. they withdrew at the fastest pace in January and February.. which are the current market bottoms.

Selling low..

At the moment they are depositing at the fastest rate since 2007..

Buying high..

If the markets reverse and we see a downward trend, the average investor depositing now won't withdraw until the trend is official, by which time we will be at another or near another market bottom.. This will assist in the continued decimation of retirement accounts, pensions, savings and consumer confidence.

Now off to see if I can locate the article..

Hmmm... :shk:

Cuomo Sues Schwab Claiming Auction-Rate Securities' Risks Misrepresented
www.bloomberg.com...

Reader's Digest plans to file for bankruptcy
www.reuters.com...



[edit on 8/17/2009 by Hx3_1963]

Originally posted by Rockpuck
EESSHHHHHH ..... if the markets tank now it will be simply catastrophic for Americans. Why? .. I am going to try and dig out the news articles, I remember they were from Bloomberg, hell I probably linked them somewhere in this mega thread...

No, it won't be catastrophic for Americans, coz the market is purely fictitious speculation -- it doesn't reflect on anything that an average American would be concerned about. Actually I would love to see the nearly impossible: the market losing about 10% of its fictitious value, coz it will drag down the prices of oil with it. Oil is a commodity that is all too real and its fictitious value set by greedy speculations can be real trouble for the Americans.

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What better place to rally from than a solid floor! I think gold and oil sold off at the same time as stocks today because big money gave the US dollar a pump.



[edit on 17-8-2009 by fromunclexcommunicate]

Impending dollar rally?

Robert Prechter from Elliott Wave thinks so...not so good for stocks and commodities....deflation anyone? He actually uses the banned "D" word (Depression...Shhhhh) on CNBS!

Robert Prechter On The Dollar

Originally posted by RolandBrichter
Impending dollar rally?

Robert Prechter from Elliott Wave thinks so...not so good for stocks and commodities....deflation anyone? He actually uses the banned "D" word (Depression...Shhhhh) on CNBS!

Robert Prechter On The Dollar

Marc Farber, who I respect very much in his market calls, called for a dollar rally that would 'punish' stocks. He is swiss, so he uses the words like punish

Originally posted by GreenBicMan
Someone else agrees with me on this apparently.

the 50 EMA and the 200 EMA are very powerful

remember, when the 50 EMA crosses the 200 the index or stock you are looking at usually actually goes down, tests***, then moves higher if the test holds.

might be doing the same thing here.. I might have to summon that UFO lol


blogs.stockcharts.com...

Yeah you and I talked about that. That is very interesting because it happens literally all of the time...and then the stock usually rallies after that. So who knows. I think everyone is now putting their 'correction' helmut on ready to short or wait for lower prices. It is like deja vu. When people aren't so skittish about down days (like when they say UH OH GRANDMA THIS IS THE BIG ONE!) every time the indices move down 2%, I think then you will see a big leg down...It is amazing how sentiment changes so quickly...but people are forever untrusting of the markets. Then again, how can you blame them? I just wouldn't pull my short gun out yet (though it isn't really short in reality small joke...) Though really, there definitely needs to be a correction for sure...I just am cautious about saying this is it. Since a lot of people are saying this is the correction time...

Round 3 ???

NZSE 50 3,041.62 7:38PM ET Down 44.46 (1.44%)
NZSE 50 3,040.65 7:52PM ET Down 45.44 (1.47%)
NZSE 50 3,039.38 7:55PM ET Down 46.70 (1.51%)

Nikkei slips as exporters sold, eyes on China
www.reuters.com...

Japan's Economic Recovery May Falter as Companies Cut Investment, Payrolls
www.bloomberg.com...

Japan, Australia Futures Decline on Valuation Concerns, Metals
www.bloomberg.com...

Two Ways: Chinese Markets Hit Brick Wall
www.minyanville.com...

Gold
$936.05
$937.58

Oil
$66.81
$67.21

FUTURES FAIR VALUE (-10.66)
9109.34 9129.0 19.66

FUTURES FAIR VALUE (-0.37)
977.93 979.3 1.37

[edit on 8/17/2009 by Hx3_1963]

reply to post by stander


Fictitious? I s'pose.

Tell that to Mr Average Joe from anywhere in America that last 50% of his retirement the first time around, got duped by the Media into buying into it again, and is now set up to loose 10-40% of what he just put in.

You can do it Standar, be the spokes man to them.

Tell him his money was fictitious and he shouldn't worry about it.