King Solomon Built The Great Pyramid

JLC, you truly lack wisdom and are void of understanding. I have tried to avoid making a long post which is the only way I can prove your error, but you have forced my hand. I will break it up into to parts, Biblical and Histrorical, most of the Histrorical info is cut and paste from other info I have gathered, the post will be long because I try to use the verses in context and not pull any single verses out. Firstly, The Three Pyramids Of Giza : You are the one that needs to do some reading. I Kings 9:10 � And it came to pass at the end of TWENTY YEARS, when Solomon had built the two "HOUSES", the "HOUSE" of the LORD, and the "KING'S HOUSE", 8 And his house where he dwelt had another court within the porch, which was of the like work. Solomon made also an "HOUSE" for Pharaoh�s daughter, whom he had taken to wife, like unto this porch.
9 All these were of costly stones, according to the measures of hewed stones, sawed with saws, within and without, even from the foundation unto the coping, and so on the outside toward the great court.
10 And the foundation was of costly stones, even great stones, stones of ten cubits ( 17 1/2 ft.), and stones of eight cubits( 13 ft.)
11 And above were costly stones, after the measures of hewed stones, and cedars.
12 And the great court round about was with three rows of hewed stones, and a row of cedar beams, both for the inner court of the house of the LORD, and for the porch of the house. Here WE Have The Three Pyramids Of Giza, The Lord's House, King Solomon's House, And The House For Pharaoh's Daughter It clearly shows here that these Houses were made of "STONE" blocks, some as large as 17 1/2 feet, the same type of Stones used in Building The Great Pyramid. The GREAT THRONE And The 26 LIONS That Were Standing In Front Of GOD'S HOUSE Kings 10:18 Moreover the king made a great throne of ivory, and overlaid it with the best gold.
19 The throne had six steps, and the top of the throne was round behind: and there were stays on either side on the place of the seat, and two lions (Sphinx) stood beside the stays.
20 And twelve lions(Sphinx) stood there on the one side and on the other upon the six steps: ( 2 + 12 + 12 = 26 LIONS) there was not the like made in any kingdom. There was nothing like this Great Throne and 26 LIONS in "ANY" Kingdom. ANY Kingdom includes Egypt. A FACT To this day there is no structure anywhere in the world Greater than the Sphinx. The Sphinx Is Not Egyptian The Pharaoh's Headress usaully had a snake or serpent on it and there is no snake or serpent on the headress of the Sphinx. The Snake was a symbol of the Egyptian god . The Great And Wonderful House Was Not Destroyed, But Remains DESOLATE To This Day It was still standing and DESOLATE in Daniels Time, for Daniel prayed for it's restoration : Dan 9:16 O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers ( Solomons Son's That Forsook The Lord), Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us.
17 Now therefore, O our God, hear the prayer of thy servant, and his supplications, and cause thy face to shine upon "THY SANCTUARY THAT IS DESOLATE", for the Lord�s sake.
Some Of The Materials Used In Building The Great And Wonderful House 7 And gave for the service of the house of God of gold five thousand talents (500 Tons)and ten thousand drams, and of silver ten thousand talents (500 Tons), and of brass eighteen thousand talents (900 Tons), and one hundred thousand talents of iron.(5000 Tons)
8 And they with whom precious stones were found gave them to the treasure of the house of the LORD, by the hand of Jehiel the Gershonite.
I Kings 7:45 And the pots, and the shovels, and the basons: and all these vessels, which Hiram made to king Solomon for the house of the LORD, were of bright brass. [bright: Heb. made bright or, scoured]
46 In the plain of Jordan did the king cast them, in the clay ground between Succoth and Zarthan. 47 And Solomon left all the vessels unweighed, because they were exceeding many: neither was the weight of the brass found out. King Hiram made so many vessels for the house of the Lord that they filled the Plain of Jordan. The Location Of The Lords House: Isa 19:19 In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD.
20 And it shall be for a SIGN and for a WITNESS unto the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt ( does not the Pyramid sit in Egypt ? ): for they shall cry unto the LORD because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour ( JESUS ), and a great one, and he shall deliver them.
21 And the LORD shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the LORD in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the LORD, and perform it.
22 And the LORD shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the LORD, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them. II Chron 6:1 � Then said Solomon, The LORD hath said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.
2 But I have built an house of habitation for thee, and a place for thy dwelling "FOR EVER".
3 And the king turned his face, and blessed the whole congregation of Israel: and all the congregation of Israel stood. THIS HOUSE WOULD STAND FOREVER, WHERE IS IT ? 16 For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, " That My Name May Be There FOR EVER": and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.

There shall be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD. A Discription Of God's House 5 And the house which I build is great: for great is our God above all gods.
6 But who is able to build him an house, seeing the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain him? who am I then, that I should build him an house, save only to burn sacrifice before him? Even to prepare me timber in abundance: for the house which I am about to build shall be wonderful great. [wonderful�: Heb. great and wonderful] This House Would Be A "WONDER" The Great Pyramid Is One Of The Seven Wonders Of The World Psalms 78:69 And he built his sanctuary like high palaces, " Like The Earth " which he hath established for ever. All the measurements of the "EARTH" are encoded in the Great Pyramid, hence, " LIKE THE EARTH" The Work Force Used To Build God's House: IIChron 2:1 � And Solomon determined to build an house for the name of the LORD, and an house for his kingdom.
2 And Solomon told out threescore and ten thousand men to bear burdens ( 70,000 men ), and fourscore thousand ( 80,000 men ) to hew in the mountain, and three thousand and six hundred to oversee them.
That equals 153,600 men were used to build God's House and the other two Houses. There is much more I could post, but this post is already long enough. I will now deal with the historical information.

[Edited on 4-5-2004 by Lastday Prophet]

The Great Pyramid is the most substantial ancient structure in the world - and the most mysterious. According to prevailing archaeological theory - and there is absolutely no evidence to confirm this idea - the three pyramids on the Giza plateau are funerary structures of three kings of the fourth dynasty (2575 to 2465 BC). The Great Pyramid was originally 481 feet, five inches tall (146.7 meters) and measured 755 feet (230 meters) along its sides. Constructed from approximately 2.5 million limestone blocks weighing on average 2.6 tons each. The Great Pyramid was originally encased in highly polished, smooth white limestone and capped, according to legend, by a perfect pyramid of black stone, probably onyx. Covering an area of 22 acres the white limestone casing was removed by an Arab sultan in AD 1356 in order to build mosques and fortresses in nearby Cairo. Herodotus, the great Greek geographer, visited in the fifth century BC. Strabo, a Greco / Roman historian, came in the first century AD. Abdullah Al Mamun, son of the Caliph of Baghdad, forced the first historically recorded entrance in AD 820, and Napoleon was spellbound when he beheld the fantastic structure in 1798.

According to our present knowledge the Great Pyramid is mostly solid mass, its only known interior spaces being the Descending passage (the original entrance), the Ascending passage, the Grand Gallery, a mysterious grotto, an equally mysterious subterranean chamber, and the two main chambers. These two chambers, called the King's Chamber and the Queen's Chamber, have unfortunately retained the misleading names given to them by early Arab visitors to the pyramid. It is an Arab custom to bury men in tombs with a flat roof and women in rooms with a gabled roof; therefore, in the Great Pyramid, the flat-roofed granite chamber became the King's Chamber, while the gabled, limestone chamber below became the Queen's. Even those archaeologists who still stubbornly subscribe to the tomb theory of the pyramid do not believe that a queen or anyone else was ever buried in the limestone chamber. The King's Chamber is 10.46 meters east to west by 5.23 meters north to south by 5.81 meters high (a series of measurements that precisely expresses the mathematical proportion known as the Golden Mean, or Phi). It is built of enormous blocks of solid red granite (weighing as much as 50 tons) that were transported by a still-unknown means from the quarries of Aswan 600 miles to the south. Within the chamber of the Great Pyramid, in the western end, sits a large, lidless coffer (51 1/2 ins x 31 1/2 ins) it is made of dark black granite estimated to weigh more than three tons. When the Arab Abdullah Al Mamoun finally forced his entry into the chamber in AD 820 - the first entry since the chamber was sealed in some long ago time - he found the coffer entirely empty. Egyptologists assume that this was the final resting place of Khufu, yet not the slightest evidence suggests that a corpse had ever been in this coffer or chamber. Nor have any embalming materials, any fragments of any article, or any clues whatsoever been found in the chamber or anywhere else in the entire pyramid that in any way indicates that Khufu (or anyone else) was ever buried there. Furthermore, the passageway leading from the Grand Gallery to the main chamber is too narrow to admit the movement of the coffer; the coffer must have been placed in the chamber as the pyramid was being built, contrary to the normal burial custom practiced by the Egyptians for three thousand years.

The foolishness of the common assumption, that the Giza plateau pyramids were built and utilized by fourth Dynasty kings as funerary structures, cannot be overstated. It is a matter of archaeological fact that none of the fourth Dynasty kings put their names on the pyramids supposedly constructed in their times, yet from the fifth Dynasty onwards, the other pyramids had hundreds of official inscriptions, leaving us no doubt about which kings built them. The mathematical complexity, engineering requirements, and sheer size of the Giza plateau pyramids represent an enormous, seemingly impossible leap in abilities over the third dynasty buildings. Contemporary Egyptological explanation cannot account for this leap, nor can they account for the clear decline in mathematics, engineering and size of the constructions of the fifth dynasty. Textbooks speak of "religious upheaval" and "civil wars," but there is no evidence whatsoever of these having occurred.

The attribution to Khufu of the Great Pyramid is founded solely upon three very circumstantial pieces of "evidence":

* the legends told to and reported by Herodotus who visited the pyramids in 443 BC
* the funerary complex near the Great Pyramid with inscriptions citing Cheops/Khufu as the reigning pharaoh
* in the pyramid itself, on a granite slab above the ceiling of the main chamber, some small, roughly scribbled chalk marks that have a slight resemblance to a hieroglyphic symbol for the name of Khufu.

Pharaoh Khufu himself left no indication whatsoever that he built the Great Pyramid. He did, however, claim to have done repair work on the structure. On the nearby "Inventory" Stele (dating to about 1500 BC, but showing evidence of having been copied from a far older stele contemporaneous with the fourth dynasty) Regarding the chalk marks found within the pyramid, most hieroglyph experts now believe these to be forgeries left by their "discoverer" Richard Howard-Vyse, rather than being quarry inscriptions left by the original builders. Howard-Vyse was under pressure to equal the discoveries of his rival, the Italian explorer Caviglia, who had found inscriptions in some of the tombs around the Great Pyramid. Modern researchers now suspect that, in the battle for one-upmanship, Howard-Vyse sought to overshadow his rival and gain renewed support for his own projects with a similar but more spectacular "discovery", by forging quarry inscriptions inside the Great Pyramid. In other words, no firm evidence in any way connects the pyramids of the Giza plateau to the dynastic Egyptians.

Let us briefly consider a few matters concerning the construction of the Great Pyramid; matters which clearly indicate that the builders of fourth dynasty Egypt did not have the engineering capacity to erect the Great Pyramid (we do not have the capacity even today) and that this structure was used for a purpose altogether different from mere burial.

The Great Pyramid is constructed with approximately 2,300,000 limestone and granite blocks. Weighing between 2.5 and 50 tons each, these stone blocks had to be quarried from the earth. Herein lies our first unsolved problem. In the Cairo museum one can see several examples of simple copper and bronze saws, which Egyptologists claim are like those utilized in the cutting and shaping of the pyramid blocks. These tools present a problem. On the Mohs scale of mineral hardness, copper and bronze have a hardness of 3.5 to 4, while limestone has a hardness of 4 to 5 and granite of 5 to 6. The known tools would only barely cut through limestone and would be useless with granite. No archaeological examples of iron tools are found in early dynastic Egypt, yet even if they were, the best steels today have a hardness of only 5.5 and thus are inefficient for cutting granite. Some years ago Sir Flinders Petrie, one of the "fathers" of Egyptology proposed that the pyramid blocks had been cut with long saw blades studded with diamonds or corundum. But this idea presents problems too. The cutting of millions of blocks would require millions of rare and expensive diamonds and corundum, which constantly wear out and require replacement. It Is Clear From The Biblical Post That King Solomon Had An "ABUNDANCE" Of Diamonds And Other Precious Stones That Could Do This Job The unsolved problem of how the 2,300,000 very heavy blocks were transported to the building site of the pyramid is even more mystifying. How were the blocks taken to the nearly 500- foot height of the pryamids' summit? A Danish civil engineer, P. Garde-Hanson, has calculated that a ramp built all the way to the top of the pyramid would require 17.5 million cubic meters of material, this representing more than seven times the amount of material used for the pyramid itself, and a work force of 240,000 to build it in the time allotted by Cheops' reign. But if this enormous ramp were built, it would then require a force of more than 300,000 laborers as much as eight years to dismantle. Where would all the ramp material have been placed, since it is not to be found anywhere near the Great Pyramid? And what of manuevering the precisely carved blocks into place without damaging the corners? Various lifting devices and levers have been proposed by modern engineers (remember, no existing dynastic records, paintings, or friezes give any clue to this mystery), but none solve the problem of how the 50-ton blocks of the main chamber were lifted and positioned using an area where only four to six workers could stand, when the strength of at least 2000 would be needed.
Next we come to perhaps the most extraordinary problem, that of the fashioning and placement of the highly polished limestone casing stones that covered the entire pyramid. The finished pyramid contained approximately 115,000 of these stones, each weighing ten tons or more. These stones were dressed on all six of their sides, not just the side exposed to the visible surface, to tolerances of .01 inch. They are set together so closely that a thin razor blade cannot be inserted between the stones. Egyptologist Petrie expressed his astonishment of this feat by writing, "Merely to place such stones in exact contact would be careful work, but to do so with cement in the joint seems almost impossible; it is to be compared to the finest opticians' work on the scale of acres." Herodotus, visiting in the fifth century BC, reported that inscriptions of strange characters were to be found on the pyramid's casing stones. In AD 1179 the Arab historian Abd el Latif recorded that these inscriptions were so numerous that they could have filled "more than ten thousand written pages." William of Baldensal, a European visitor of the early fourteenth century, tells how the stones were covered with strange symbols arranged in careful rows. Sadly, in 1356, following an earthquake that leveled Cairo, the Arabs robbed the pyramid of its beautiful casing of stones to rebuild mosques and fortresses in the city. As the stones were cut into smaller pieces and reshaped, all traces of the ancient inscriptions were removed from them. A great library of ageless wisdom was forever lost.

Let us turn our attention briefly to the matter of the purpose or multiple purposes of the Great Pyramid, drawing for our discussion on both the exact measurements made by modern scientists and the mythic legends of the remote past. A few facts:

* The sides of the pyramid are lined up almost exactly with the cardinal points of the compass. The accuracy of this alignment is extraordinary, with an average discrepancy of only about three minutes of arc in any direction or a variation of less than 0.06 percent.
* The Great Pyramid functioned as an enormous sundial. Its shadow to the north, and its reflected sunlight to the south, accurately marked the annual dates of both the solstices and the equinoxes.
* The basic dimensions of the Great Pyramid incorporate measurements from which the earth's size and shape can be calculated. The pyramid is a scale model of the hemisphere, incorporating the geographical degrees of latitude and longitude. The latitude and longitude lines that intersect at the Great Pyramid (30 degrees north and 31 degrees east) cross more of the earth's land surface than any other lines, thus the pyramid is located at the center of the land mass of the earth (the pyramid is built on the closest suitable site to this intersection). The original perimeter of the pyramid equals exactly one-half minute of latitude at the equator, indicating that its builders measured the earth with extreme precision and recorded this information in the dimensions of the structure. Altogether these measurements show that the builders knew the exact dimensions of the planet as precisely as they have been recently determined by satellite surveys.
* The foundation of the Great Pyramid is amazingly level., No corner of its base is more than one-half inch higher or lower than the others. Considering that the pyramid's base covers more than thirteen acres, this near-perfect leveling far exceeds even the finest architectural standards of the present day.
* Measurements throughout the pyramid show that its constructors knew of the proportions of pi (3.14...), phi or the Golden Mean (1.618), and the "Pythagorean" triangles thousands of years before Pythagoras, the so-called father of geometry, lived.
God Revealed To David And Solomon This Mystery ? I Chron 28:19 All this, said David, the LORD made me UNDERSTAND in writing by "HIS HAND UPON ME", even all the " WORKS OF THIS PATTERN".
20 And David said to Solomon his son, Be strong and of good courage, and do it: fear not, nor be dismayed: for the LORD God, even my God, will be with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee, until thou hast finished all the work for the service of the house of the LORD. Measurements show that the builders knew the precise spherical shape and size of the earth and had accurately charted such complex astronomical events as the precession of the equinoxes and the lunar standstill dates. The minute discrepancies of the lengths of the base of the pyramid (several inches over the 230 meter length of its base) reveal not an error on the part of the builders but an ingenious means of incorporating into the pyramid the "discrepancies" of the earth itself, in this case the flattening of the earth's globe at the poles.
* Shafts leading upward from the two main chambers, previously thought to be air shafts for ventilation, have been shown to have another purpose. A miniature electronic robot mechanically crawled sixty-five meters up the shafts and confirmed that the south and north shafts in the Kings Chamber are pointed to Al Nitak (Zeta Orionis) and Alpha Draconis respectively, while the south and north shafts of the Queens Chamber point to Sirius and Orion. The scientists conducting this research have shown that the layout of the three pyramids on the Giza plateau precisely mirror the position of the three main stars in the Orion constellation. (While crawling along one of the shafts in the Queens chamber, the robot's cameras photographed a previously unknown closed door that may lead to some hidden chamber.) What does all this mean? Why did the ancient builders of the Giza pyramids, whoever they may have been, encode so much precise mathematical, geographic, and astronomical information into their structures? What was the purpose of the Great Pyramid?
GOD ALONE KNEW ALL THIS INFORMATION AND HE REVEALED IT TO KING DAVID AND KING SOLOMON HIS SON. THERE IS NO WAY UNDER THE SUN THAT ANYONE WOULD HAVE THIS WISDOM, EXCEPT GOD REVEALED IT TO HIM. I REST MY CASE.

Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
I REST MY CASE.

.........yyyyyyyeaaah...I'd let your psychologist handle all that if I were you.

Take A Hike Bozzo, if you can't see the truth with all I have posted, you too are truly BLIND and cannot see afar off.

Where have all the Naysayers gone ?

Originally posted by Lastday Prophet
Where have all the Naysayers gone ?

LDP,

You have exhausted the tolerance and patience of most of the members on this board by refusing to see the truth when presented to you. Personally I doubt if I will contribute any more of your threads because you twist the truth of known facts to support your fantastical ideas. You ignore the knowledgeable people on this board that attempt to educate you and lead you to a better understanding of the topic being discussed.

So now you speak for the members after I have proven you wrong time and time again, If I am so wrong why did you remove your feeble attempt to falsify infomation by trying to deceive people with your picture of a different temple that King Solomon Built. My most recent post shows clearly that all the NAYSAYERS were incorrect, the facts are overwhelming, believe what you will. I would not waste my time responding to any post I felt was erroneous so why do you ?

But not right now, sweetie

I'm in the middle of FINALS WEEK here in COLLEGE LAND; when I began taunting and replying to your zany idea, I was supposed to be writing a 3 essay (approx 1200-1500 words to each WITH notation from three seperate sourses EVERY 2-3 sentences, trying to go back and forth between the three AND MAKE SENSE... paper due tomorrow at noon (Is now 11:05 pm)... started at 3 AM finished at 10:30 while tutoring someone else for their math final 2-4pm, counseling a friend who just got a new boyfriend (complete with problems) 9:30-10AM, spent most of 3-6 AM on ATS and email, spent at least half an hour with friends, somewhere amongst froiends, 8:45-9:15AM helped a friend by being moral backup in a meeting with a teacher--facing an INCOMPLETE, spent about an hour and a half on the road, 8-9 PM running back and forth between my cousins home and mine, trying to hit on a guy-griend, for the hell of it

I have another test on Friday, the Jornals, AND 4 on-line quizes to take yet and just finished the last that I can do for tonight but study--which I intend to do tomorrow and thursday.

I'm pre-diabetic and I have LARGE ammounts of caffine running through my ststem, so I'm shaking pretty bad right now...

NOT ASKING FOR, "AWWW, POOR BABY, K?"

I will get around to reading it; it's just that I have a life, and it's kicking my tired butt around.

I just told you this so that way you can see I'm not neglecting you when you finally START GIVING ME WHAT I #ing WANTED!

Love, from the one you call an idiot

JLC, if my post is so "ZANY" as you put it, why do you bother to respond being you are so busy, I would not waste my time responding to any post I considered ZANY. I think the real reason is that you find this post very interesting and informative and has given you some understanding concerning this truth. You are just begining to see the light and if you behave yourself I will share some "JEWELS" with you to give you a full understanding of this truth. My post clearly shows that "God's House" is not the same temple you refered to.

I respond to:
A: those who entertain me, as you have, dumpling
B: those posts that I believe are wrong, especially fundamentally, to start thinking on both ends
C: there are some people out there who will believe you WITHOUT questioning you becasue they are like sheep...you're supposed to question everything, so I like to give them something to doubt with
D:I'm an off-and-on insomniac, especially when I'm worried about real life, and I'm not watching porn in my parent's den, thank you! NOT EVEN TO RELEIVE STRESS.
E: I'm obviously not as straight laced as you, since I don't have to call someone names or sneer down my nose at them every time they are remotely friendly after dissagreeing with me, especially if they're a little different

btw, I'm trying to fall asleep, can I borrow a cup of milk?

The adjective "zany" has 2 senses.
1. cockamamie, cockamamy, fool, goofy, sappy, silly, wacky, whacky, zany, unreasonable -- (informal terms) "gave me a cockamamie reason for not going"; "wore a goofy hat"; "a silly idea"; "some wacky plan for selling more books"
2. buffoonish, clownish, clowlike, zany -- like a clown; "a buffoonish walk"; "a clownish face"; "a zany sense of humor"
cockamamie, cockamamy, fool, goofy, sappy, silly, wacky, whacky, zany, unreasonable -- (informal terms) "gave me a cockamamie reason for not going"; "wore a goofy hat"; "a silly idea"; "some wacky plan for selling more books"
Oh, yeah:definition for fool NOT OFTEN FOUND IN BOOKS b/c it is form around the 1500's:innocent

Now, which one did I use it for?

"Who are you oh mighty mountain? Before Serubabel you shall be a plain. He shall carry forth the capstone, and people shall sing: "Blessed be! Blessed be the capstone!""

"And there will come a day when there shall be an altar for God at the border of Egypt"

In the Holy of Holies, there are two Cherubims you say, there are basically two telescopes in the Grand Chamber, which would prolly enable you to see the stars even during the day. The telescopes are directed towards Sirius and Polaris as far as I know.

Just to clear up a little. Those first two quotes I posted are both from the bible. The Capstone which is blessed, is the New Jerusalem. A gigantic City measuring 2220 km in each direction, shaped like a perfect cube. It is so huge that it's walls are supported from it's own gravity field. Eventhough the walls of the City is 100% straight in all directions, it will look like the walls are caving inwards pretty much. You could actually walk up the wall quite a while until you would finally fall or be unable to walk further without tools. This city is measured with an ell which is 185 meters long. Compared to the one they used to build the Temple and the Great Pyramid, which was about 60 cm, the proportions of the City of God, compared with that footstool in Egypt or the stumbling block in Jerusalem, the fallen tower of Babylon etc, these buildings were built after the Measures of Heaven. One Royal El measured one cubit plus the width of a hand. One regular el or cubit is the length of your elbow or under arm. When Melchizedek says he is a servant for the Highest El, he hay have said that he simply was either an astrologer or a Master Mason. See?

These measures and buildings all use the same proportions, except for a few minor differencies, since we are infact talking about different generations or nations/peoples. The Angel of God has seventy wings, one for each generation of Man. God created 70 nations/peoples/humans in Eden. Most of these are represented with beasts, like the Phoenix for instance, the only beast in Eden who never ate from the Tree of Wisdom, but remained immortal, and lives in a 1000 year cyclus. When it runs out into the wilderness to save a damsel in trouble handing her it's wings, before it torch itself, and is reborn. Etc etc. I see the Phoenix right now as being the constellations of Aquarius turned 180 degrees and combined with Capricorn. Just take a look, its a Great Eagle.....

Camelop�rdalis

To make a kink:

this come MUCH after these TEXTS:

Original in Greek:

Heb 5:6
just as He says also in another passage, "YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK."
Heb 5:10
being designated by God as a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek.
Heb 6:20
where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.
Heb 7:1
For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham as he was returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,
Heb 7:10
for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.
Heb 7:11
Now if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the people received the Law), what further need was there for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be designated according to the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:15
And this is clearer still, if another priest arises according to the likeness of Melchizedek,
Heb 7:17
For it is attested of Him, "YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK."

The Hebrew:

Ge 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; now he was a priest of God Most High.
Ps 110:4 The LORD has sworn and will not change His mind, "You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek."

Now since they are priests: some scriptures refer to Jesus, others to Israel, and other's yet to chrisitans (and I'm aware of what they follow to make the Jewish callender0

De 18:10 - There shall not be found (8735) among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass (8688) through the fire, or that useth (8802) divination, or an observer of times (8781), or an enchanter (8764), or a witch (8764),

Not the only verse, but I don't feel like pulling up more.

Now, where does it cross the line form being an astronomer to being a witch?

This doen't prove anything, but watch it!

Going back to the fact that some were talking about Christ and Melwhatever, you gotta still remember the context: the whole point of this reasoning is to prove that Christ BECAME the high priest of GOD. Kinda' hard to do when you decide to translate the word to measure the lenght. now, how EARLY on did they start using the EL for measurement. there is nothing that would make me believe thatthey used anything other than the cubit when they measured back in Moses's day, as he was EGYPTIAN TRAINED and is held as the writer of the first 5 books--that is, except for the tail end where it talks about his death--the writing style changes, believed to be Joshoua. where it talks about Melwhatsit BOTH times in the Old Testament, it was Moses writing. He used Egyptian measurement.

Hebrews 4:14-5:11 Therefore, since we have a great high R143 priest who has passed R144 through the heavens, Jesus the R145 Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. R146 For we do not have a R147 high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted R148 in all things as we are, yet without R149 sin. Therefore let us draw R150 near with confidence R151 to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
For every high priest taken R152 from among men is appointed on behalf of men in things R153 pertaining to God, in order to offer R154 both gifts and sacrifices for R155 sins; he R156 F33 can deal gently with the ignorant R157 and misguided, R158 since he himself also is beset R159 F34 with weakness; and because of it he is obligated to offer sacrifices for R160 sins, as R161 for the people, so also for himself. And no R162 one takes the honor to himself, but receives it when he is called by God, even as R163 Aaron was.
So also Christ did R164 not glorify Himself so as to become a high R165 priest, but He who said R166 to Him, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"; just as He says also in another passage, "YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK." In F35 the days of His flesh, He R170 F36 offered up both prayers and supplications with loud R171 crying and tears to the One able R172 to save Him from F37 death, and He was F38 heard because of His piety. R173 And having been made perfect, R176 He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, being designated by God as a R177 high priest according to the R178 order of Melchizedek. Concerning him F39 we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.

It's just HIGHLY UNLIKELY!


I'm still looking up stuff on you LDP

same thing as Cornerstone, i.e. Christ:

It's talking about his entrance into the holy city on a Donkey. It's a simple prophecy.

Come on, old Spiritual:

"If I don't praise him, the Rocks are going to cry out: Glory and honor! Aint' got time to die!"

but none solve the problem of how the 50-ton blocks of the main chamber were lifted and positioned using an area where only four to six workers could stand, when the strength of at least 2000 would be needed.

Since you have " PROVEN" that the Egyptians could not have done it, how did King Soloman using the same materials at hand, and the same MANUAL LABOR manage to do it ?

jlc163: Just realised that this post was intended at someone else, but what the heck. Another twopointer this way

The common word for cubit in Babylon was Ell or El. I was talking about Babylon especially, I may have said that is was Hebrew for cubit, but it's Babylonian, sorry for the mixup, I do it all the time. I also brought in Melchizedek, since he wasn't Jewish, but a Canaanite from Salem (may be the city later called Jerusalem) who claimed he was a priest of the Highest El (it's the modern bible translations which say El here means God, not me who says God is a measuring rod). It's all in the translations, and the Bible is full of passages which sounds very good when you read it once, but with additional knowledge, when you read it, it takes on a whole new direction. Take in the days of Enosh forinstance: It was a sin to start worshipping the Name of God. Not many Christians or even priests notice this. Also, saying Mechizedek was a priest for the Highest God, may indicate that whoever translated those scriptures somehow wanted us to believe that a priest of Babylonian Astrology was a priest of God. The Bible is full of such controversies. A Royal Ell stands for 2.5 degrees of the horizon, or in other words, it takes 144 Royal Ells to reach around the whole horizon holding the staff at arm's length. It's basically about calendars, and an attempt at bringing out the divine in man, showing us in divine context.

Originally posted by jlc163
Now, where does it cross the line form being an astronomer to being a witch?

At the very place when you depart from the Word which explains the constellations and systems of God, and you go off and draw maps created in Rome and Babylon, stop celebrating the festivals of God, and instead start worshipping every day in the calendar etc. God has basically three festivals and one holy day, the Sabbath. When you stop observing his festivals and sabbaths, you walk away from your Creator and Loving Father, and you become a "hoe". A Babylonian refugee.

This doen't prove anything, but watch it!

Going back to the fact that some were talking about Christ and Melwhatever, you gotta still remember the context: the whole point of this reasoning is to prove that Christ BECAME the high priest of GOD. Kinda' hard to do when you decide to translate the word to measure the lenght.

Well, the Heavens and the Earth are the two witnesses of God. Then comes the Light (the Word of True Prophecy). And then comes Day one. During Day One, God re-creates Heaven. And on Day two, he recreates the Earth. Meaning that we have two Heavens and two Earths. Or do we? God first created them. Then he named them. See? The second Heaven was basically a Map, not unlike how the Tabernacle may have looked from the inside looking towards the roof. Remember that Moses was shown the Tent of Heaven up there and was ordered to make himself a mere copy. "Heaven is his throne and the Earth is a footstool before his feet. He stretches out the Heavens as a tent to live in. It is He who thrones above the Orbit of the Earth!" This is all sacred astronomy. Prophetic Astronomy. In Mosaic Tradition, there is a Word, and certain festivals, and the Sabbath. This was how the Jews used their seven secs. To create a continuingstory, not fragments, bits and pieces like in Babylon, but a complete epic work, containing a moral code, a divine law, prophecies, wisdom etc.

now, how EARLY on did they start using the EL for measurement. there is nothing that would make me believe thatthey used anything other than the cubit when they measured back in Moses's day, as he was EGYPTIAN TRAINED and is held as the writer of the first 5 books--that is, except for the tail end where it talks about his death--the writing style changes, believed to be Joshoua. where it talks about Melwhatsit BOTH times in the Old Testament, it was Moses writing. He used Egyptian measurement.

Started off this post with the reply to this snippet. Basically an ell and a cubit is the same. Remember that Melchizedek wasn't a Jew. He was a Canaanite king priest who simply said he was a priest for the Highest El.I'm just saying that this may mean that he was an astrologer or a master builder (only master builders were put to work on temples etc.) And also keep in mind that bread and wine means body and soul. Flesh and Life. Prophecy and Spirit. They weren't on a picnic you know

Originally posted by jlc163
same thing as Cornerstone, i.e. Christ:

It's talking about his entrance into the holy city on a Donkey. It's a simple prophecy.

Come on, old Spiritual:

"If I don't praise him, the Rocks are going to cry out: Glory and honor! Aint' got time to die!"

The capstone is the New Jerusalem. It symbolises the Mystical Body of Christ, every stone being a limb on his enormous body. The New Jerusalem is the Seal of Love and Wisdom God will put on this Earth. Basically just to laugh of alll of those who worship Egypt for the Seals on the graves of Adam, Eve and Abel (the three pyramids on Giza). Serubabel symbolises Heaven here. Josva the Earth. They are the two witnesses. The capstone symbolise the Messiah. Jesjuah ha Messiarh. Jesjuah bar Joseph. Jesjuah Nazaree. Beloved child has many names Just dont call him Jesus. It means "Yes Kiss" or "Yes Us". Jesjuah means "Yes you are" an answer to "I am who I am" or "God's seven horns" with referance to the Lamb of God having seven horns. Etc. It's all about language. Latin and most Western languages have been created in the legacy of the Beast. Well, Latin is the Language of the Beast. Jesus is Latin.

Originally posted by Duke_Nukem

but none solve the problem of how the 50-ton blocks of the main chamber were lifted and positioned using an area where only four to six workers could stand, when the strength of at least 2000 would be needed.

Since you have " PROVEN" that the Egyptians could not have done it, how did King Soloman using the same materials at hand, and the same MANUAL LABOR manage to do it ?

Just about anyone, given enough time, could build greater stuff that the Great Pyramid. Alone, and by only using whatever strength you have in your own arms, and whatever strengths you might have in your head. It's rather simple. Ill see if I can make some sketches one of these days. Please send me a u2u if I forget it. Quite cool stuff actually.......

The reason scholars can find any natural explanation for this is because it was a "SUPERNATURAL" act of God. For those of us that believe that the Bible is true, the answer is simple : Matthew 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto "THIS MOUNTAIN" ( A literal Mountain they were standing in front of), Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

Mark 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto "THIS MOUNTAIN", Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall "BELIEVE" that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

Revelation 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; (We see here that God's Angels cast a Great Burning Mountain into the sea) Troughout the Bible God wrought Supernatural acts for his people. The Bible clearly teachs that "All Things Are Possible To Them That Believe" If through our faith we could move Mountains, surely we could "LEVITATE" a stone block of any size. Most people cannot except this theory because our faith has become watered down and diluted through the centuries. Through faith and oneness the people of God attempted to build a tower to Heaven ( The Tower Of Babel) but God had to stop them, lest they accomplish this task. God Parted the Red Sea through Moses his servant. There are many other examples of what we can accomplish "IF" we have Faith in God. I believe that either the people of God or God himself could have easily placed such stones, after all it was God's House.

OK.. Matthew 21:21. Knowing that the language Jesjuah spoke was Aramaic, the word he used discribing "great mountain" would probably the exact same Aramaic word Daniel use to discribes the Eternal Kingdom: Tuwr.

Daniel 2:35: Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

Twise is this word mentioned in the Bible, and twise in Daniel, and twise in describing the Eternal Kingdom. That Rock or Mountain is Jesjuah himself. Just like Simeon Kefas means "Listening to the Rock" and Jesjuah is infact refering to himself when saying to Peter: "On your Rock I will build my council". Meaning he would shape his Kingdom using the understanding and love Peter had for God. Such understanding and love pleased my God. So much that he actually said it out in the open. Peter's steadfastness, and rock steady faith, pleased Jesjuah so much that he infact revealed his divinity right there.

And the word for ocean used here would prolly be the Aramaic word "Yam". And what do you know, Daniel is the only one using this word in the Bible too. When he sees the beasts coming out of the sea, it is the Yam he refers to, not just any sea. The sea which gives birth to Beasts. It's the world. The multitudes of the nations. Or the seas of wisdom.

Jesjuah simply claims invincibility. You could ask God anything, even that Jesjuah was to be cast in the sea of beasts. He would always find a way back, and a way to conquering his enemies. He is the First and the Last. To try to put rubble in such a guy's road, is just silly. You'd need greater luck than when playing russian roulette with a machinegun. Clean the Holy Way of rubble, sweep it clean. If he stumbles, only God knows what happens. Blessed be him.

[Edited on 5-5-2004 by Camelop�rdalis]