Isreal: A terror state?

lol, ok, read the website (those popups were a pain in the butt!). It was about the 6 day war, and your arguement that isreal was f***ing with those nations is really weak. That would be like saying poland was f***ing with Germany at the start of WWII. It's not the defender's fault that the attacker decided to attack it.

Using this logic, we could say the Indians were screwing with the US, Taiwan is screwing with China, Europe was screwing with the Mongols, and India was screwing with England.

Oh dear, we all attacked ISreal and lost! How could they be so callous as to defend themselves and go on the offensive to prevent it from happening again?

Well JJ, I just Googled "Israel's attacks" and it seems that they have plans in place to attack anyone from Iraq to South Africa. Check it out. BTW, looks like the Rebel bailed on you.

So you are saying that the attacks on Lebenon in the 70's and 80's were part of the Six days war? Lebanon used to be a beautiful tourist spot, but by the time the Israeli's were finished with it they were desimated.

P.S. If you can't take facts and have to revert to swearing, may I recommend the Mud Pit. If you wish I will join you there.

I was refering to the website you had posted earlier as a defense for your previous statement of who the Jews had attacked. And I apologize for being so passionate about this, I just feel very strongly, and haven't had a political debate in ages (I've missed this!) No anger towards you, my friend, just towards the situation. If I got angry at people who disagreed with me, Colonel would be on my hit list by now

The hostilities didn't end when the 6 Days war ended. There was a sort of Cold war that continues even till today. Like I said Google what I put above, you'll see how innocent Israel is.

So what do you think is going to happen with the suicide bombers now that Saddam can't pay their families? We fund Isreal so they can fight the terrorist activities going against them. Many Arab states fund the Palastinians to continue the terror activities.

Obviously neither side is a golden child. Both sides do some nasty things. What do you think of the Palastinians tactics, though? You know, attacking innocents to create terror, rather then attacking military targets to prevent attacks against themselves?

This goes back to the first page. The Israeli's don't just attack millitary targets either. Nothing will change if the status quo remains in place. Neither will budge.

I found what you said interesting: We fund Isreal so they can fight the terrorist activities going against them. Many Arab states fund the Palastinians to continue the terror activities.

It seems to me that the two factions, America and Islamic states, have since moved beyond using Israel and Palistine and are now going after each other directly. But remember where it stemmed from, the solutions are there.

But you didn't answer the question. What are your thought on suicide bombers hitting malls?

And you make a good point about us and them using Isreal and Palestine as a puppet war. It's very much like what the US and USSR were doing durring the cold war. But you're right, now it's starting to turn hot. Any theory as to why that is? Only reason I can think of is because the US's population will allow it now, whereas before, popular opinion would have been dead against it.

This is actually a very informative link I got off the Isreal and US criminals thread. A bit long, but I'm getting started on it

www.us-israel.org...

I don't advocate any violence towards civillians. Unfortunately, my opinion doesn't mean diddly in the middle east.

As to why has this turned hot? Arab nations got tired of seeing Israel do whatever it wanted to and some individuals decided, O.K. lets take it to the source of the power. This leads to 9/11. Then America retaliates. Guess what? Who do you think is sitting back and laughing their butts off right now?

America is fighting Israels enemies and they don't even have to lose 1 man.

Intrepid....you may be a fine debator and all, but I will enocurage you to do a neutral historical analysis of this situation and you will see that some of which you so vehemently claim is nothing but misfounded beliefs.

Hell, I will even go as far and encourage you to submit the an idea of a research project to ADVISOR and/or nyeff on the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. You game Intrepid or you just happy believing what you think and feel is correct?

Let me know...cause I and probably another would be greatly interested in such a research project and may even wish to join it.


seekerof

MYTH

�Israeli policies cause anti-Semitism.�

FACT

Anti-Semitism has existed for centuries, well before the rise of the modern State of Israel. Rather than Israel being the cause of anti-Semitism, it is more likely that the distorted media coverage of Israeli policies is reinforcing latent anti-Semitic views.

As writer Leon Wieseltier observed, �the notion that all Jews are responsible for whatever any Jews do is not a Zionist notion. It is an anti-Semitic notion.� Wieseltier adds that attacks on Jews in Europe have nothing whatsoever to do with Israel. To blame Jews for anti-Semitism is similar to saying blacks are responsible for racism.

Many Jews may disagree with policies of a particular Israeli government, but this does not mean that Israel is bad for the Jews. As Wieseltier noted, �Israel is not bad for the Jews of Russia, who may need a haven; or for the Jews of Argentina, who may need a haven; or for any Jews who may need a haven.�34

As noted in the fact about criticism of Israel, taking issue with Israeli policies is acceptable if you do so because you believe that a) Israel has the right to exist, and b) that changes will make Israel a better place. In fact, such criticism, by Israelis, can be found in the Israeli media every day. Criticism crosses the line, however, when it delegitimizes Israel and is intended to weaken rather than strengthen its institutions.

Interesting...

Hmmm...I'm finding a lot of information contrary to what you were saying, Intrepid. Do you have any credible links backing what you were saying? (Established news pages, historical pages, but not something like "JimsTakeOnThings.com")

I got this cut n paste from an angry aryan....
But he has facts to back his reasons for being angry:


Jews seem to get a special thrill from killing children. In September 1982 Ariel Sharon, the current prime minister of Israel, murdered 3000 defenseless Palestinian women and children in the Sabra and Chatila refugee camps after the men had agreed to depart peacefully, trusting the assurances of US President Ronald Reagan that their families would be safe.

Does anyone remember the April 1996 Israeli attack (1.1 Mb movie) on an ambulance carrying children out of a war zone in southern Lebanon? The Jews blew it up with a missile fired from an Israeli helicopter gunship.

Just so you know: Israel's Chief Rabbi, Israel Meir Lau, says that Jewish terrorist murders officially carried out by the Jewish state have the full backing of Jewish religious law. So the next time a lying Jew tells you that those Talmudic endorsements of killing Gentiles are anti-Semitic fabrications, you'll know what the truth really is.
You're certainly free, or should be free, to have a normal family life�at your own expense. The Jews should be as free as anyone else to have a national homeland�at their own expense. It is when they involve others that their moral right comes into question.

Your country has received from mine over 100 billion dollars to "make peace." Instead, you have ensured a continuation of war, and you have provoked the whole Moslem world, some one billion people, to a hatred for my country. You have cost us tremendously, and we are bitter about our losses.

You are a burden we do not want to carry, and we resent that your political organizations have more influence on our government than we do ourselves. We resent that most of us have no reliable means of learning the truth about the world that isn't filtered and censored by Jews.
Osama bin Laden is an Islamic militant who believes that God has called him to fight for the freedom of Arab peoples, including the Palestinians, from Zionism. By his standards, he is doing exactly what would earn him a place in heaven. And it is by his own standards that we can best understand why he behaves as he does. Judging him otherwise only invites confusion. We can fight him as an enemy without putting bad-smelling names on him; we can fight him even though we understand his motives as he understands them himself. That is, anyway, the White way to fight; it is Jews who insist on making a demon out of a foe.

"Good guys" and "Bad guys" was a meaningless abstraction from the beginning. Good and bad have no meaning, except that they are referred to a purpose. Good for what, or for whom? Bad for what, or for whom? What is good for me might be bad for you. What is good for Israel might be bad for America. Osama bin Laden is doing what he thinks is good for Arab Moslems, and certainly many Arab Moslems agree with him as they sing his praises and make a saint out of him and buy bubblegum that has his picture on the wrapper.

But in the long run, it does not matter whether the United States catches Osama bin Laden or not. Terrorism has come to the United States, mostly because of Israel. It will continue to happen; when one terrorist is caught, two more will arise in his place. There will be more terrorism here, and it will only get worse with time. Will the first terrorist nuclear bomb blow up a city in Israel, or a city in America? It is hard to tell. But this will happen one day. And when it does happen, it will be the Jews who caused it to happen, when your people found themselves without land but chose neither to assimilate with another national group, nor to all of you go live in the country that you conquered, but instead preferred a "Zionism" by which you continued to corrupt and to threaten other countries.


www.jabpage.org...


This guy writes alot of essays on different topics... Touchy, but informative. It's his second amendment right. He's also running for president in 2004 or so his website says.

Seeker had an exellent idea, see above. It is in Advisors hands now, but if he approves I think it would be in all our interests to band together, put preconceptions aside and see if we can find the truth. Think about it.

Originally posted by intrepid
Seeker had an exellent idea, see above. It is in Advisors hands now, but if he approves I think it would be in all our interests to band together, put preconceptions aside and see if we can find the truth. Think about it.

I'm money!

Intrepid, u2u recieved and one sent in response.


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