What happens when we die(News today)

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Scientests are trying to figure out if humans have a soul.

reply to post by BlackProjects


Stop being misleading, they are not trying to see if we have a soul!

They are trying to gain a further understanding of how the brain works and I guess trying to redefine what it is to be medically dead. They are looking at what happens to brain when blood stops flowing to it and the damage that is caused by this and how this affects people who have been brought back from being clinically dead.

At no point in the article do they mention a "soul" or even imply they are looking for a "soul". That would be absurd.

reply to post by zsrgt


Shut up!, did you even read the article, the title is not misleading at all. They are Actully trying to find out if we can leave our bodys after death, by putting a POSTER at a height, so it is not visible from the human eye. To see if people who are revived, can describe the Picture. There would be no way someone can describe it unless seing it themselves.

If there are a number of people that do, then it is some indication of human soul.

Next time read the full article, before posting.

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reply to post by monkeybus


Well said monkey,
ZSrgt, What do you think they mean out of body?

BP

I read the article. There's no mention of a poster, or of looking for a soul. The article does seem to end rather abruptly, though. Was something cut off?

reply to post by nataylor


do people just skim things?

So the only way to tell is to have pictures only visible from the ceiling and nowhere else, because they claim they can see everything from the ceiling. So if we then get a series of 200 or 300 people who all were clinically dead, and yet they're able to come back and tell us what we were doing and were able see those pictures, that confirms consciousness really was continuing even though the brain wasn't functioning.

you are correct monkeybus, but you should have put that little snippet in the OP.

good thread i likey

reply to post by nataylor


Maybe it should read validation of soul article says >>

What was your first interview like with someone who had reported an out-of-body experience?

Eye-opening and very humbling. Because what you see is that, first of all, they are completely genuine people who are not looking for any kind of fame or attention. In many cases they haven't even told anybody else about it because they're afraid of what people will think of them. I have about 500 or so cases of people that I've interviewed since I first started out more than 10 years ago. It's the consistency of the experiences, the reality of what they were describing. I managed to speak to doctors and nurses who had been present who said these patients had told them exactly what had happened, and they couldn't explain it. I actually documented a few of those in my book What Happens When We Die because I wanted people to get both angles - not just the patients' side but also the doctors' side - and see how it feels for the doctors to have a patient come back and tell them what was going on. There was a cardiologist that I spoke with who said he hasn't told anyone else about it because he has no explanation for how this patient could have been able to describe in detail what he had said and done. He was so freaked out by it that he just decided not to think about it anymore.

I guess I am assuming it is soul that is out of body


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My opinion of NDE's is that if you can be brought back to tell the tale,
you were never really dead, clinically maybe, but DEAD, no.

If you are dead, you are dead, NO chance for resuscitation.

So that leads me to think NDE's are a product of the brain, I hope research proves that to not be the case.
I do believe from experience that consciousness can be transmitted, but while dead completely?
I'd like to know.
I guess that's where ghosts come in.

reply to post by Toadmund


I tend to agree..But in a NDE the question is ..is the soul out of body?

What they are trying to get across, is that people are reporting conciousness when the brain is not functioning for a fewminutes. and they are trying to see if this is an illusion.

if your brain is dead, you ARE dead. whether you are revived or not, there have been cases of people being dead for four hours, only to come back in the mortoury. How can the concoincness come back from nothing?

It seemes that there must be some sort of way for the consciousness to exist outside its shell while the body is unavailible. Some may call it a soul.
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I personally belive that there is another dimension wich the 'dead' reside, fully aware of who they once were. and that the out of body experiances, are partially made travels by the 'soul'

I read that many oobe's report looking down at their body and notice that they are still attached to the body, via cable type thing/extension of their new form. When the body is revived they have a way of returning back, alough it is instant.

At the end of the journey, the attachment stops, and you cannot return to your body, it takes some people longer to travel then others. Maybe this is what the religions call heaven?

reply to post by monkeybus

It seemes that there must be some sort of way for the consciousness to exist outside its shell while the body is unavailible. Some may call it a soul.

Using the same logic but without inventing unseen and unobservable things ... It seems that there must be some way that the brain is still functioning, but not in a way we can detect. Current instruments measure electrical impulses across the neurons, what they don't measure is the chemical component of the brain. Seeing as how the chemical component is still functioning even after the electrical component has ceased ... do the math?

reply to post by sirnex


Im not an expert, so what do the chemicals, do? do they store thoughts? affect thinking, mood, what?

Are you saying that the chemicals, Hold onto long term information stored into the brain. because i thought that once the brain stops firing signals around itself. its stops working properly...or am i being stupid?

reply to post by monkeybus


I'm not an expert either, I'm not exactly sure what capacity the chemical component plays in the role of the brain. All I do know is that it is very important, with much of everything having a chemical reason behind it. The electrical signals that propagate throughout our brains and central nervous system from my understanding do nothing more than initiate certain chemical reactions to control certain aspects of our bodies.

For example, we look at something and the nerve endings in our eyes propagate the electrical impulses to our visual centers and from there chemical reactions take place to process that information. Like I said though, I am not an expert, so I might be wrong exactly on how it works.

Point is, the chemical component is still functioning after the electrical component has ceased to function. Logically, that speaks volumes, at least to me it does.

What happens when we die?

A lot of stuff happens when we die. Too bad we won't be here around to enjoy it.