Next POPE as The Beast/666 in Revelation

If we consider the papacy as the beast described in the Revelation, the next pope could be it. In Rev 17,9-10 the seven heads of the beast are described as follows:

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short time.

The woman is certainly the harlot in Rev 17, or the catholic church, and she sits on the seven heads of the beast, and only on the seven, because the eight (the beast) shall hate the harlot and make her desolate (he will be no spiritual leader, but rather a political one). The seven heads will reign in the period the beast is in "the bottomless pit", and when all heads are fallen and the wound is healed, the beast will once again gain power.

Now, if we consider the various names the popes have been using, as the heads (mountains/kings) of the beast (because it's certainly the number of his name we are after), and consider the fact that the papacy had a period of power from 538 AD* until 1798 AD**, or 42 months/1260 days (Rev 13,5), one day for each year (Numbers 14,34, Ezekiel 4,6) , we'll be able to count the pope-names used from 1798 till now, and get the sum of 7 (heads):

Pius VI (1775-99) (head #1, wounded to death**)
Pius VII (1800-23)
Leo XII (1823-29) (head #2)
Pius VIII (1829-30)
Gregory XVI (1831-46) (head #3)
Pius IX (1846-78)
Leo XIII (1878-1903)
Pius X (1903-14)
Benedict XV (1914-22) (head #4)
Pius XI (1922-39)
Pius XII (1939-58)
John XXIII (1958-63) (head #5)
Paul VI (1963-78) (head #6)
John Paul I (Aug-Sep 1978) (head #7, continue a short time. Only 33 days!)
John Paul II (1978-)
New Pope (The Beast, wound healed)

* = When the eastgoths were defeated in Rome, and the pope gained power.
** = Pope Pius VI was captured by the army of Napoleon in 1798, and died in captivity the year after. The power of the catholic church was nearly destroyed. (Rev 13,3)

So, how do we get to count the number of the Beast, 666? Well, simply by counting (integral calculus) the numbers of all the popes having the seven names since the founding of the catholic church, for instance the name Paul (6 popes) like this: (1+2+3+4+5+6) = 21. We'll get these numbers:

1. Pius (12 popes) = 78
2. Leo (13 popes) = 91
3. Gregory (16 popes) = 136
4. Benedict (14 popes) = 105
5. John (21 popes) = 231
6. Paul (6 popes) = 21
7. John Paul (2 popes) = 3
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Total: 665

To get the number 666, a new name must be introduced (so it can add 1 to the total). He will both be the 8th, and bear the number 666 (the number of his name):

8. New name (1 pope) = 1
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Total: 666

Since the present pope is old and sick, this theory might be a reality very soon! If you want to double-check my theory, you might want to go to this website: www.newadvent.org... (list of popes).

Greetings,
otherwise

Excuse me people.
Can't you tell your harlots from beasts from demons from monsters?
This is amazing

Very possible, if Cardinal Lustiger ends up being the next pope,

So, with all that said, I'd like to take a look at one who may be the next Pope, the Archbishop of Paris, Cardinal Jean-Marie Lustiger. He fits many of the assumptions that Bible scholars believe the False Prophet will have. He's Jewish and has a magnetic personality. Many Jews, Catholics and unbelievers admire him. He fills the Notre Dame Cathedral when he says Mass and as Professor Colin Netteleck said, "when he walks through the crowd it is a sight to behold." The article I read calls him; "One of the world's most influential and charismatic intellectuals." And what really got me was the quote about Jesus; "I'm sorry Jesus Christ did not have a good public relations office because maybe he wouldn't have had the bad problem of being crucified." Bad problem of being crucified? And this guy could be the next Pope?
www.888webtoday.com...

If we can believe St. Malachy's prognostications, which seem to have been flawlessly prescient up to now, this Antipope will be of Jewish heritage. Malachy calls him "the Glory of the Olive Tree", and in Scripture the Olive Tree is consistently a symbol of the people of Israel. The only Cardinal who matches this profile is Jean-Marie Lustiger of Paris.
apokalypso.com...

Originally posted by otherwise
If we consider the papacy as the beast described in the Revelation, the next pope could be it. In Rev 17,9-10 the seven heads of the beast are described as follows:

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short time.

The woman is certainly the harlot in Rev 17, or the catholic church, and she sits on the seven heads of the beast, and only on the seven, because the eight (the beast) shall hate the harlot and make her desolate (he will be no spiritual leader, but rather a political one).

Don't you think, Revelation 17:16-18 is significant, when interpreting this?
16. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
18. And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth

Now, if we consider the various names the popes have been using, as the heads (mountains/kings) of the beast (because it's certainly the number of his name we are after), and consider the fact that the papacy had a period of power from 538 AD* until 1798 AD**, or 42 months/1260 days (Rev 13,5), one day for each year (Numbers 14,34, Ezekiel 4,6) ,

I don't what Num.14:34 has to do with Revelations. It is a message from God to the Israelites, telling them their punishment for grumbling against "Him". If read in context, it is more than clear that it is refering to events that were coming to pass in their immediate future.
Numbers 14:30 Doubtless ye shall not come into the land, [concerning] which I sware to make you dwell therein, save Caleb the son of Jephunneh, and Joshua the son of Nun.
31. But your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, them will I bring in, and they shall know the land which ye have despised.
32. But [as for] you, your carcases, they shall fall in this wilderness.
33. And your children shall wander in the wilderness forty years, and bear your whoredoms, until your carcases be wasted in the wilderness.
34. After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, [even] forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, [even] forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.

we'll be able to count the pope-names used from 1798 till now, and get the sum of 7 (heads):

Pius VI (1775-99) (head #1, wounded to death**)
Pius VII (1800-23)
Leo XII (1823-29) (head #2)
Pius VIII (1829-30)
Gregory XVI (1831-46) (head #3)
Pius IX (1846-78)
Leo XIII (1878-1903)
Pius X (1903-14)
Benedict XV (1914-22) (head #4)
Pius XI (1922-39)
Pius XII (1939-58)
John XXIII (1958-63) (head #5)
Paul VI (1963-78) (head #6)
John Paul I (Aug-Sep 1978) (head #7, continue a short time. Only 33 days!)
John Paul II (1978-)
New Pope (The Beast, wound healed)
* = When the eastgoths were defeated in Rome, and the pope gained power.
** = Pope Pius VI was captured by the army of Napoleon in 1798, and died in captivity the year after. The power of the catholic church was nearly destroyed. (Rev 13,3)

Why do you skip Popes when figuring out this formula? If the count starts in 1789, why didn't you just count 7 Popes from Pius VI? I don't understand the logic in this equation.

Originally posted by jezebel
Don't you think, Revelation 17:16-18 is significant, when interpreting this?

Yes indeed, I should have added the exact verses to the text (I just referred to Rev 17)!

I don't what Num.14:34 has to do with Revelations. It is a message from God to the Israelites, telling them their punishment for grumbling against "Him". If read in context, it is more than clear that it is refering to events that were coming to pass in their immediate future.

The Lord has used this conversion of days into years in different occations. It is therefore a possibility that he could use the same conversion in the Book of Revelation as well, so we could be able to solve the prophesies.

The prophesies are written as a riddle, "the beast" is an empire, "the woman" and "the whore" are respectively a church and a corrupt church, and so on. It is possible that the counting of the days are some sort of riddle as well (cf. "one day for each year")!

Why do you skip Popes when figuring out this formula? If the count starts in 1789, why didn't you just count 7 Popes from Pius VI? I don't understand the logic in this equation.

Since 1798 AD the popes have been using only 7 unique names. A head/mountain/king can be more than one person, but only if they put indexes behind their names (the same name). In my illustration I just connected the first appearance of the names to the heads, but this is a little misleading. ALL the names listed after 1798 are of course a part of the heads.

For example John Paul I and John Paul II are one and the same head, because their names are the same. The number of the John Paul-head is 3, integral-counted out of the indexes behind the name John Paul (I+II = 3).

I count it this way because the Revelation states in Rev 13,17-18 that it is the number of his name, not the name itself we have to count:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, except him that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred and sixty six.

I hope this explained what you didn't understand!


otherwise

otherwise
You have answered your own question

If we consider the papacy as the beast described in the Revelation, the next pope could be it.

The prophesies are written as a riddle, "the beast" is an empire, "the woman" and "the whore" are respectively a church and a corrupt church, and so on.

......argo, no conspiracy.

Originally posted by FieryIce1
otherwise
You have answered your own question

Well, what I meant by that sentence was: The papacy from 538-1798 AD is the beast before the rule of the 7 heads, and the very same beast who will reign after the 7 heads could be the next pope. I do certainly try to explain that theory further in the rest of the post.

......argo, no conspiracy.

Who the next next pope might be, should be a conspiracy?!

Who is for instance the 31st cardinal the pope elected in the autumn of 2003 whose name is not made public yet? Is it likely that this cardinal would be elected as the next pope? If the reason to keep his name a secret is because he is from a politically unstable region (probably the East), it would be quite likely that his name would be a unique name. Popes from the east usually choose a name which represents their family heritage.

And, who will be elected as the new EU-president? Isn't the pope a good candidate for this political task? Pope John Paul II has already showed great skills in diplomacy, and thus should have prepared the way for the next pope.

I can't wait till we have a Pope "XXX".

538 AD* until 1798 AD**, or 42 months/1260 days..."

I'm not getting this math. Did I miss something?

Little help?
DeltaChaos

I agree with the next pope possibly being the antichrist but believing in that crazy gorilla math is a different story.

You equate these mathematics to the mark of the beast.



Ok, if your implying that catholic hold this mark because we follow a pope, not worship him, then how come you noncatholics
can buy and sell? When it says that (noone) can bu or sell lest he have the mark of the beast on his forhead or hand.


Can't you buy or sell, even though you are not catholic? You have to understand that God i talking about an economical system of how the world will contrl the human race in the future, this is as clear as day light.






"" The seven heads ""


Your trying to say that both Paul l and Paul ll are the seventh, and the 8th is of the seven. The thing is is that we have had different named popes. And the popes who guided the church before 1778 tuaght the same things as the
popes up until Vatican ll, a council which appears to be catholic but is not a real council, but a council of freemasons who have destoryed our church.



So how can the seven heads only include a span ofopes from 1778 until 2000, when if the church is the beast, it would include the names of the popesbefore the 1778s, because hese popes still tuaght the same thing.



How does a beast become a beast after it was already a beast for 1778 years?




Also heres what it says aout the whore of babylon.


Apocolypse

17:16

"" And the ten horns which thou sawest in the beast: these shall (hate) the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh and shall burn her with fire ""




They have done this with the creation of vatican ll which does not teach catholic doctrines that were taught for 1900 years. Freemasons have infiltrated the church and it is now modernized with the world, it has become one with the world so to speak.





Peace.

Originally posted by Truth
You equate these mathematics to the mark of the beast.

No, just to the number of the beast. You need either the mark, or the name, or the number of the name to buy or sell.

Rev 13,17 - "And that no man might buy or sell, except him that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. "

Ok, if your implying that catholic hold this mark because we follow a pope, not worship him, then how come you noncatholics
can buy and sell? When it says that (noone) can bu or sell lest he have the mark of the beast on his forhead or hand.

Can't you buy or sell, even though you are not catholic? You have to understand that God i talking about an economical system of how the world will contrl the human race in the future, this is as clear as day light.

That's exactly what I think, but it belongs to the near future!

This economical system won't be activated until the next pope has been elected, which means that non-catholics are still allowed to buy or sell (I don't think this will last for long anyway). The European Union is nowadays looking for a leader with great authority. I don't doubt that this president (or whatever they want to title him) would be the next pope, mostly because of the present pope's great skills in diplomacy, and because the majority of the members of the EU are catholic countries.

On May 1st, 2004 the EU will be expanded by 10 new countries (all ultra-catholic). These 10 countries could be the 10 horns which are described in Rev 17,12-13:

"12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, who have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength to the beast.

This is (almost) exactly what is going to happen on May 1st: The 10 countries are handing over their power to the EU. Since the majority in these countries are catholics, I think they are going to vote on the pope, so he can "take over" the EU and misuse the political system to force through the mark of the beast (with major help from the 2nd beast)

"" The seven heads ""

Your trying to say that both Paul l and Paul ll are the seventh, and the 8th is of the seven. The thing is is that we have had different named popes. And the popes who guided the church before 1778 tuaght the same things as the
popes up until Vatican ll, a council which appears to be catholic but is not a real council, but a council of freemasons who have destoryed our church.

So how can the seven heads only include a span ofopes from 1778 until 2000, when if the church is the beast, it would include the names of the popesbefore the 1778s, because hese popes still tuaght the same thing.

Yes, they certainly do teach the same dogmas, but remember that the 7 heads are all part of the same beast. When pope Pius VI was captured, the church lost its power and most of its land. The heads/kings were set to reign without the major empire (the beast) under their feet. This is sort of a starting point for us to start counting the heads.

How does a beast become a beast after it was already a beast for 1778 years?

A beast is a symbol of a great empire. In the Middle Ages the church had its renaissance. It owned land in great areas in Europe, and had superior power. When Pius VI was captured and died, the church lost its power and was nearly destroyed. So by the death of Pius VI, the beast/one of the heads got a "deadly wound". (Remember that Pius VI both represents the beast AND the first head).

Therefore is the beast itself in the "bottomless pit" when the 7 heads are reigning. When all are fallen the wound will be healed, and the beast itself will return. The pope will once again become the leader of a great empire.

Also heres what it says aout the whore of babylon.

Apocolypse

17:16

"" And the ten horns which thou sawest in the beast: these shall (hate) the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh and shall burn her with fire ""

They have done this with the creation of vatican ll which does not teach catholic doctrines that were taught for 1900 years. Freemasons have infiltrated the church and it is now modernized with the world, it has become one with the world so to speak.

Peace.

I'm not surprised at all that the occultists have infiltrated the catholic church... Satan finds his ways...

Didn't pope Paul VI once state that "Satan has entered the corridors of the Vatican", or something? And, John Paul I died after only 33 days in office, a masonic number...


otherwise

[Edited on 22-3-2004 by otherwise]

I wish i could of read your rsponse but its impossible to read light yellow letters.

if they fix this ill respond, unless i spend an hour zooming in on everyword.


am i the only one having this problem?


peace.

Originally posted by Truth
I wish i could of read your rsponse but its impossible to read light yellow letters.

if they fix this ill respond, unless i spend an hour zooming in on everyword.

am i the only one having this problem?


peace.

That's weird. On my computer it's all black text on gray background. Have you tried to mark the text with the cursor? Maybe it would be easier to read.

Otherwise, do you have a link referring to the above mentioned "10 Countries/Ten Horns + 01MAY04"? I would like to read more about this upcoming event.

Mr. M

Originally posted by StarChild
Otherwise, do you have a link referring to the above mentioned "10 Countries/Ten Horns + 01MAY04"? I would like to read more about this upcoming event.

Mr. M

I tried to search the Internet for sites concerning this "10 horns vs. 10 new EU countries"-issue, but I didn't fine any. Maybe the event is too fresh for people to write about, because most of the countries had their EU-elections in late 2003.

But, here are a couple of sites with information about the events:

europa.eu.int... - Some information about the enlargement.

news.bbc.co.uk... - The new EU constitution (proposals).




The religions in these countries:
-Czech Republic (roman catholic: 39,1%)
-Poland (roman catholic: 95%)
-Slovakia (roman catholic: 60,3%)
-Slovenia (roman catholic: 70,8%)
-Malta (roman catholic: 98%)
-Hungary (roman catholic: 67.5%)
-Lithuania (mainly roman catholic)
-Cyprus (greek orthodox: 78%)
-Estonia (mainly lutherans)
-Latvia (mainly lutherans)

Source: www.nationmaster.com...




Relevant Bible references about the ten horns:

Rev 13,1 - "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. "

Rev 17,3 - "So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. "

Rev 17, 12 - "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, who have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. "

Rev 17, 16 - "And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. "

I really wonder why the horns shall hate the harlot... Could the 10 new catholic countries possibly reject the catholic church and only go in for the pope?


otherwise

[Edited on 23-3-2004 by otherwise]

This is something that will not be revealed until it is.

At least trying to figure it out is a way for us to see how much time we have left to warn others or ourselves?
The upc barcode is configured of 3 sets of six I.E. ||'''''||'''''|| some lines thin some thick placing their significance in binary digit. if you look at ANY barcode that is being used for produce, cigs,cereal, computerboards ect.ect notice the first lines ||12345||54321|| in binary digit the "||" equals the number 6 ( || ) if translated the actual code structure is based on 6'''''''6'''''''6 the entire world is on the system already and dont even know it. :bnghd:Go ahead and look in the pantry or fridge because its chilling.
He that have understanding......If society is already accustomed to having things swiped to a scanner to read price of food then whats the big deal. The big deal is buy allll the canned food now before to your money is converted to digital merits. Once you go to by that candybar at seven elevin and your cash is just a peice paper, Dry your tears with it. You will be starving because you cannot get your food until||| you have your access to the system which is your account number,by this time it has moved from plastic to conventional metheds like invisibleink (not visible without infrared scanner), tattood to your skin (the patton to the ink is filed in texas).
why the head or hand? access and status. It is much harder to take the head into a store than it is a hand. A common middle class averages $40,000 annual income get tattoo on hand.Upperclass or $1,000,000 plus have their number Tattoo placed on the forehead. :bash:

The seven heads are the United Nations. all the little horns and crowns are the countries that participate. The theory of the pope is possible because the pope (Catholic Church)has been appointed by the U.N. to over see all Religeon on a global scale. So with that in mind she might just be the one "the harlot".
but isnt their two beasts mentioned? one by sea (the pope) and one by land (the beast computer)
the one that issues the numeric account number to your funds and the buying and selling on a world wide status. the upc barcode made from the structure of 6""""6""""6 is accepted world wide because of the infinate ammount of numbers manipulated by its sequencing which is enough numbers to issue to man For example decimals issued to man givin the number 1,000,000,000 in binary code(remember its all computer input) = 111011100110101100101000000000 that is alot of numbers for one hand even at 11pt font. condense them in binary digits and it looks kind of like this|||||||||||||||||

did you look at the barcode on your products around the house yet? you will notice almost everything has the "upc barcode". so how close are we to see this revelation ? man uses it already by will wait until you have too or starve "None shall buy nor sell" here is a link to beast computer in brussles

www.prolognet.qc.ca...



[Edited on 24-3-2004 by DAR]

If you believe in all this mumbo jumbo then you'll see that Revelation can't come about until the Temple has been rebuilt.

With old John Paul on his last legs and about to croak it any day now, the Jews had better get a move on with the mixing the cement or your whole theory is FUBARed.

Closer than you think.

I was born Jewish and so I remain, even if that's unacceptable for many. For me, the vocation of Israel is bringing light to the goyim. That's my hope and I believe that Christianity is the means for achieving it.
Jean Marie Cardinal Lustiger

Texe Marrs states, in his article Vatican Terminator listing possible successors to JP2 :

A Jewish Pope?
Among them is a man who, if he succeeds to the throne as the universally recognized �Holy Father� in Rome, could turn out to be the catalyst that causes the merger of end-time Judaism with a counterfeit Christianity.
I refer to Jean-Marie Lustiger, now the Cardinal of Paris, France, a Catholic prelate who is a converted Jew. We are told that Lustiger�s Jewish parents perished in the Nazi holocaust. From the time he was a young boy, Lustiger was raised a Catholic. Today, Cardinal Lustiger is a chief confidant of Pope John Paul II and is considered by many as prime candidate to be elected to the highest office following the death or incapacity of his friend, John Paul II.
Since Lustiger is a Jew, it is not a strange thing for us to ask whether, as Pope, he might be accepted someday by Israel and the Jews as their chosen god-man and Messiah. On that day, could Pope Jean-Marie Lustiger enter the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem and declare himself as first among all gods and deities? (See II Thessalonians 2)

Originally posted by DAR
The seven heads are the United Nations. all the little horns and crowns are the countries that participate. The theory of the pope is possible because the pope (Catholic Church)has been appointed by the U.N. to over see all Religeon on a global scale. So with that in mind she might just be the one "the harlot".
but isnt their two beasts mentioned? one by sea (the pope) and one by land (the beast computer)

How did you find out that the 7 heads are the UN? If this is so, what is the beast, and who represents the heads?

Be aware of that there are about 50 characteristics in the Scripture concerning the beast/Antichrist, and that all of them fit in with the papacy up to this date! No other power in the history of men has ever made the same achievements, and definitively not the United Nations!




The Beasts

The 1st beast (papacy), before it was wounded, appeared up from the water. Water means peoples, multitudes, nations, and languages. The water must then be the people of Europe.

Rev 17,15: "15 And he saith to me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and languages. "

The 2nd beast came up from the earth. Earth is the opposite of water, which means that this land didn't have much people living in it.

Rev 13-11 - "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke as a dragon. "

Rev 12, 15-16 - "15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. "

Where did the Christians go when they were persecuted in the Middle Ages by the catholic church? I would say North-America.

The two horns of a lamb may symbolize a protestantic-Christian state. President Bush pretends to be a good Christian by praying for blessings for the USA and all the unfair things the administration does. Bush and his administration definitively "speaks as a dragon"! They wants to free the world from terror, make peace and democracy, remove evil, make justice, disarm countries, etc. The purpose is good, but it seems to become a mess out of it instead. Worst of all is that the war on Iraq probably is based on lies. Colin Powell tried to fool the UN by showing the fake pictures of Iraqi "atomvechicles". He fooled the world (represented by UN), sort of say.

Satan is of course a great liar as well, and is described as a dragon in the Book of Revelation, so to "speak as a dragon" must be to lie about great things (for example in Genesis 3,3-5).

The second beast is also called the "false prophet" in later chapters of the Revelation.


I believe that USA will force through the "mark of the beast", whatever this mark could be. Maybe your barcode-theory is the right one, no one really knows this for certain before it shows up... It's impossible to predict.

The "image" of the beast, must be the fallen protestantism, the Word-Faith movement... there are a lot of "miracles" and stuff going on there (and it's mostly based on catholic beliefs...).