"St. Paul Arrests Only a Fraction of NYC '04"

St. Paul Arrests Only a Fraction of NYC '04

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ST. PAUL — Even by the loftiest of estimates, the crowds protesting the National Republican Convention here this week have been a tenth the size of the crowds at the 2004 convention in New York City.
But by Thursday afternoon, the number of arrests had swelled to nearly a quarter as many as in New York.

Protesters have complained all week that police have gone overboard in their attempts to quash potential violence and ensure the convention — being held at the Xcel Energy Center — proceeded without any interruptions.

"They most definitely created the police state they wanted," said Jeff Sear, 26, a St. Paul technician arrested Monday and charged with a misdemeanor.

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[edit on 9.4.2008 by ItsTheQuestion]

Tom Walsh, a spokesman for the St. Paul police department, stated that "To paint them all with the same brush and call them all protesters, I don't think serves those peaceful people well at all."

George Martin, from United for Peace and Justice estimated that "up to 50,000 people" demonstrated in St. Paul this week.

A few protesters even managed to disrupt Sen. McCain's acceptance speech.

Also, 102 were arrested after a Rage Against The Machine contest in downtown Minneapolis; details here.



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[edit on 9.4.2008 by ItsTheQuestion]

The arrest numbers are huge in comparison. I was there for the '04 RNC and it was CRAZY!! I am disappointed in the state of Minnesota for allowing this to happen on such a scale. I find it funny when defending themselves the poilce say, "It's not fair to take a broad brush and paint them all as protestors." Interesting wording no? Hypothetically, lets say there were 10 out of 100 persons arrested who actually commited crimes. 90 people, due to their active participation in democracy, have been humiliated, beaten, hand cuffed, denied liberties afforded by the constitution - why? Is it impossible to discern between lawless groups and general protestors? Why do people think this is any way cummuppence or the cops are doing what they should? It isn't and they aren't.

ColoradoJens

reply to post by ItsTheQuestion


So wait a second here....you're trying to say, that BECAUSE there were 'fewer' arrests in St. Paul, compared to NYC 4 years ago....this means what???


AND, you cite the 'Useless' Today faux 'newspaper' as a source???

To me, it's only good for the crossword puzzle....and I usually finish that in about 30 minutes or less....while waiting for a Dominos Pizza!

Hmmmmmmm.....let's compare, shall we, the number of residents of each city....and then continue, y'alll!

I think many, many other sources, not only here on ATS, but all over the Internets....can attest to the travesty of the abusive Police Tactics....not only in St. Paul, but also in Denver, a week ago.

Stay atop of the news, and take your blinders off.

Please.

reply to post by weedwhacker


Easy, killer. I'm not the enemy here. Believe me.

I'm merely passing along the information. Put your pizza slice down, take a deep breath, and find someone else to beef with.

By the way, nice boast about how quickly you finish the USA Today crossword. "[Y]'alll"[sic] must be real smart. But then you instantly blew that image by telling us that you eat Domino's Pizza.

Did you know that Domino's is owned by Tom Monaghan, a fundamentalist Roman Catholic if there ever was one? Look it up, big shot. He's built an entire town in Florida, named after his creation, Ave Maria University. At first, he tried to ban sale of porn and contraceptives. I bet they'd still sell Domino's. And USA Todays.

You're still smart, though.

I digress.

So you "stay atop" of the THREAD, and read before you blow your anger chunks all over the place.

Sheesh.

I never took a side on the topic, pal.

[edit on 9.5.2008 by ItsTheQuestion]

reply to post by ItsTheQuestion


Yeah....I know....I rarely buy from Dominos.....but not because of the conservative political bent of Tom Monaghan... it's because sometimes one of his local delivery sites happens to be closer than, say, the local Pizza Hut!!

Try to deflect as much as you want, just because I bought a Pizza from Tom Monaghan....man....!!!!

Look.....people's attitudes change, especially when presented with new information.

Do I stop using 'Domino's' just because I KNOW he is a right wing catholic? Of course not!! I've known this for years. He started a business, and I'm a little jealous....but I'll still but there, because WHO CARES? He's probably sold out to higher corprate intersests anyway!!

So, he's sitting (Tom Monaghan) in his mansion and laughing at the rest of us!!! Good for him!!! In his mansion, and his yacht!!!!

BTW....how are YOUR mansions and yachts coming along, so far???? Hmmmm????

Oh....trickle down theory?? I guess that's when the really, really RICH deign to drop a few dollars into a beggars' cup?


EDIT....I made typos....you can probably figure out where, I won't change them....STET


[edit on 9/5/0808 by weedwhacker]

First outright laugh today. Thanks. In my limited time here, one of things that I truly enjoy is the wit of many of the members on ATS - Also, I appreciate your line of thought and reasoning; another member here was arguing with me about an issue while extolling the virtues of Dominos hot wings. Mmmmm. I understood your post and it is clear to me the reasoning behind the story: Proportionately there were MORE arrests. Again, I am worried that a liberal metropolis/state would be so darned havey handed - then again, as I have posted before, the most liberal place in the country, NYC was a WAR ZONE, but hey, that life in the big apple. What are gonna do? Thanks again for setting it straight.

ColoradoJens

[edit on 5-9-2008 by ColoradoJens]

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by ItsTheQuestion

 

Yeah....I know....I rarely buy from Dominos.....but not because of the conservative political bent of Tom Monaghan... it's because sometimes one of his local delivery sites happens to be closer than, say, the local Pizza Hut!!

Try to deflect as much as you want, just because I bought a Pizza from Tom Monaghan....man....!!!!

I cannot believe that you're accusing me of deflecting, while you're the one still going on about Domino's. DUDE, let me be very CLEAR: I NEVER TOOK A "SIDE" IN MY OP!!!!

You're assuming that I'm somehow against protesters, or freedom, or Democrats, or liberals, or Barack Obama, or Domino's...I don't know. But I DO KNOW that you're ASSUMING A LOT. And you know what happens when you assume, don't you?...

Look.....people's attitudes change, especially when presented with new information.

Apparently not...you're still going on about Domino's.

Do I stop using 'Domino's' just because I KNOW he is a right wing catholic?

I would bet "no".

Of course not!!

DING-DING-DING! We've got a winner!

I've known this for years. He started a business, and I'm a little jealous...

Because of his money, or his access to free pizza?

....but I'll still but there, because WHO CARES?

You do. The CAPS reveal your level of emotion on this issue.

He's probably sold out to higher corprate intersests anyway!!

Possible.

So, he's sitting (Tom Monaghan) in his mansion and laughing at the rest of us!!! Good for him!!! In his mansion, and his yacht!!!!

BTW....how are YOUR mansions and yachts coming along, so far???? Hmmmm????

How did this conversation digress into you ranting about my personal wealth? Again, it appears that you have made some unfortunate and very erroneous assumptions. Just above this paragraph, you advocated for ownership of mansions and of yachts. Me, I have no mansions. I have no yachts. Far from it. And, quite frankly, material things just aren't that important to me. But I don't want to kick the soap box from underneath you...

Oh....trickle down theory?? I guess that's when the really, really RICH deign to drop a few dollars into a beggars' cup?

Yeah, that's one way, albeit simple, of explaining "trickle-down" economics. But...what in the hell are you talking about? I mean, you're really starting to confuse us.

I've got to tell you, this is one of the more bizarre posts I've seen. I've only been a member for a couple of months, and started my first threads yesterday, including this one. Thanks for making it so interesting.

By the way, through your post-long deflection, you were never able to clarify just what you thought I was deflecting away from!

I support anyone who has the stones to stand up to the System and fight for more freedoms. Including you, with your freedom to buy from Domino's, or Pizza Hut. And to get on the world-wide web and rant about it, with more spewing, this time about how you do/don't care about, what was it this time, someone's mansion?

Peace be with you. Seriously. Like I said in a previous post: "I'm not the enemy..."