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Originally posted by The Vagabond
Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Everyone American should be listening, and marching on DC
Agit8dChop is right. But that is exactly why Alex Jones is wrong.
Every AMERICAN should be listening, and Every AMERICAN should be marching on DC.
But Alex Jones wasn't talking to Americans. He was convincing people that the United States government needs to be destroyed- but they weren't Americans. They were Russians. And the only snowball's chance in hell that Russia has of destroying the US Government is to consume it with a nuclear fireball- which pretty much negates Jones' attempts to deliniate the difference between the American people and the American gov't, since nuclear weapons are not widely known for their selective nature.
What's more, you must consider the interview in the same context as we consider our own media. Our media distorts the truth, capitalizing on our lack of deep knowledge or understanding about far away places and events. For example, the vast majority of us have never been to Georgia and know very little of Georgia's political leanings or position within the international community. In point of fact, I'll bet dollars against rubles that even after all this news coverage, you could go to Walmart, ask 10 people at random, and less than half of them would be able to point out Georgia on a map immediately.
What makes foreign media any different? How many Russians have been in the United States recently? How many of them have close friends here with whom they speak regularly? How many of them can tell which of Jones' statements are manifestly true and which are hyperbole?
There is a big difference between Alex Jones' notion of Martial Law and what REALLY goes on when Martial Law is declared. What percentage of the Russian audience knows that? How many Russians know a lot about our FEMA and the FEMA camps? If you didn't have first hand knowledge about the United States, you could gain the impression from Alex Jones' interview that the United States, at this very moment, is domestically in a similiar state to Germany, 1938-1939.
Alex Jones allowed himself to be used for propaganda by a rival power, which make no mistake about it is just as evil as our own government (being further East does not change the fact that most people with power did not gain that power through benevolence and good manners, afterall).
If Alex Jones wants me to consider him a true patriot, I ask one thing and one thing only of him: keep on talking all you want about whatever you want, but for the love of god, when you hear an international dial tone, just pause momentarily and realize that if you did, just for once, decide to shut your freakin piehole, that would not cause you to die instantly.
Originally posted by Dermo
I can see an awful lot of Americans hating him over that interview. I can see that word "unpatriotic" coming into play, kind of like the way "blasphemous" was used in the spanish inquisition - WRONGLY!
Originally posted by Copernicus
He is right, specially about the new cold war. There was absolutely nobody who thought a new cold war would come until Georgia attacked Russia. Now its being discussed as something that is coming.
Sigh. Once again the elites get what they want. They need people to be afraid of something, anything, to put the focus anywhere but home.
Another reason to really hope for 2012 to be some kind of major shift or change, because the future we are marching towards is even worse than sci-fi movies.
[edit on 30-8-2008 by Copernicus]
Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen
Originally posted by Copernicus
He is right, specially about the new cold war. There was absolutely nobody who thought a new cold war would come until Georgia attacked Russia. Now its being discussed as something that is coming.
Sigh. Once again the elites get what they want. They need people to be afraid of something, anything, to put the focus anywhere but home.
Another reason to really hope for 2012 to be some kind of major shift or change, because the future we are marching towards is even worse than sci-fi movies.
[edit on 30-8-2008 by Copernicus]
Hey you should do a little fact checking. Georgia never attacked Russia. If anything, Georgia attempted to roll their Military into South Ossetia to prevent it from breaking away into Russia, but at the time South Ossetia was still a Georgian Province. For all intents and purposes, it still is a Georgian Province, albeit one now full of Russian Military personnel.
You know nothing of Russian politics for the last decade if you truly believe Georgia is at fault. I have supported Russia before in certain causes, but they are wrong in regards to how they have constantly harassed, and intimidated many of their former Soviet States. They have been actively working to subvert the independent governmental structures of these Nations, through the manipulation of minority populations.
On the same note, do you seriously believe that Russia was able to mobilize such a massive Military force practically overnight, in response to "Defending" the South Ossetians? Russia has had their Military in the Ossetian Theater of Operations for a long time in coming. They have been using extremely heavy handed tactics in their aforementioned agenda, and were simply waiting for a reaction to their provocation, in order to justify their invasion. By taking over South Ossetia, Russia has essentially cut Georgia in Half.
Gone is the time of Glasnost and Gorbachev, for we are now back in the midst of Khrushchev and the CCCP.