I understand it now

I really do.

Lee Harvey Oswald, James Earl Ray, Hitler.

We think of them as being evil. When they did exactly what more people need to do. Take action for your beliefs. Our words dont mean (snip). We all know it. We can complain and theorize all we want on this website. But when are we gunna take action?

Those men took action for what the believed in. Even though what they did was wrong they still were brave enough to do it. 99% of ATS's population hasn't.

We can protest and wave signs all we want. We can google conspiracys and type our thoughts but it wont earn us a damn thing.


What do we want? Change. How are we gunna get it. At this rate hopefully the government gives a (snip) what we write on ATS. Oh wait. They dont.

Also what I mean by "I understand now" Is that people are always like "why did the have to do that horrible thing" It had to be done.

**Discalimer**
Im not plotting, considering or even theorizing any illegal activites.

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Sooooooo.......


What do YOU propose?

Icon assassination?
Religious Figure Killing?
Genocide?

What?
Nice little "disclaimer" at the bottom, but, what you've written above it amounts to....what?

IMO, this is a Rant. A personal observation made out loud, loudly. If it's MORE than just a rant, get on with it, but, so far you're just bleating.

What do you suggest?

my question with accompanying $.02 attached.

Cuhail

Well... action, if not well pondered over... can lead to chaos.

Sometimes, action can be a bad thing. What if we were to act and incite a violent revolution? Isn't that what always happens? A violent revolution led by passion, rather than true wisdom? It's like random sex. Don't get angry if, years later, you end up with a disgruntled spawn of your passion.

Ill take your $.02 and buy 1/250 of a gallon of gas.

Its mostly a rant. Basically, Im sick of talk and demand action. Nothing good comes with out the bad.

More than that will get me introuble.

Action is meaningless without knowledge of what exactly to act upon... and maybe that action that should be taken isn't as radical as you thought. Maybe that action is simply just BEING a kinder simpler person in a time of complexity and unfriendliness.

Truth is pretty simple. Sometimes, it hurts... but I guess it's the way you view it which makes it either good or bad.

Do you have a war plan drawn out, OP? I suggest you throw that out and write a peace plan. They can't kill everyone without wasting their most precious resource.

musiclover, I understand the frustration, but, let's make this stupid thread into something WORTH the bandwidth ya used to post it.

What action do you propose? Surely you have something in mind? You've been reading threads for at least 5 months or so, so you must have a pretty good grasp on what you've noticed going on. What do YOU propose we all do? Or, are you just looking for the shortcut to the answer and you want to know what we'd do?

What are you doing, yourself, to fight the total injustice you've caught onto? Ranting in a forum and......what?

Sorry to sound harsh, but, let's cut out the crappulance.
What do you do?

Cuhail

Not a war plan. Just saying some extreme or radical action, isn't for from unnessesary.

Even if its not violent, which now a days is almost required. Something needs to happen.

If martin luther king jr. sat around on his computer (pun) on a conspiracy website were would our country be?

Im not directing this at one problem. Just in general. We have become so dulled out and lazy that we dont even have the guts to go out and demand what we want. And when demanding fails we have to take what we want. Understand?

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How ironic of you to suggest ATS members, with the exception of you, take action yet you contradict yourself by saying you're not taking action yourself. What I concluded from your posts is that you're willing to let everyone take action and get in trouble while you sit in front of the computer and complain? Thanks for the support.

I belive I said WE. Im more than willing to "participate."

Darn, I thought you really did get it for a minute.

It's not important as to why they did it. That is simple. They did it because they could. And if they could, there is a reason for it. And if it will be allowed, then it will happen. That is what is important. If you will eat it, then it will be feed to you.

Those things happened because they had to happen. Because for whatever reason there was a lesson that needed to be taught. And the universe will by default automatically teach those lessons.

Originally posted by badmedia
Darn, I thought you really did get it for a minute.

It's not important as to why they did it. That is simple. They did it because they could. And if they could, there is a reason for it. And if it will be allowed, then it will happen. That is what is important. If you will eat it, then it will be feed to you.

Those things happened because they had to happen. Because for whatever reason there was a lesson that needed to be taught. And the universe will by default automatically teach those lessons.

Thank you. First person who actually agrees somewhat instead of bashing.
We cant expect our voices to be heard. But our actions will not go unseen.

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Originally posted by hardcoremusiclover
Not a war plan. Just saying some extreme or radical action, isn't for from unnessesary.

Even if its not violent, which now a days is almost required. Something needs to happen.

Like this? Disclosure Project: V.3 Good idea, lack of volunteers. This was when I felt I could make the "Big" difference with a little effort. It failed, but, I learned from the experience.

What have YOU done that you appreciate the experience of it, but, realize ya failed at? I'll try something else again sometime, but, I'm still on my path to enlightenment. Still realizing what I can and can't do. That's ONE of the things I did.
What's your idea?

If martin luther king jr. sat around on his computer (pun) on a conspiracy website were would our country be?

What could YOU be accomplishing "out there" in it, but, you're in here ranting?

Im not directing this at one problem. Just in general. We have become so dulled out and lazy that we dont even have the guts to go out and demand what we want. And when demanding fails we have to take what we want. Understand?

Take what you want? After demanding? Is this your grand plan?

Come on, what's your idea? I think we're getting closer to it.

Cuhail

OK hardcoremusivlover tell me what your plans might be. What can we do?

I am an old red neck hippie and was very active in demonstrations during the early 60's and 70's. I consider myself fortunate to still be alive and also not in a prison somewhere.

With that being said...........what do you think we can do at this time in history to help our country get back on the right track?

I hear you and I am listening to you.

Honestly im not proposing an idea. Im just ranting about how we talk with no action. If someone on this website approached me and wanted my assistance with "helping" I would.

We need a plan.

I do hope, hardcore, that you truely realize the irony that your thread here represents, don't you?
You are a person demanding someone else give him the answers and the focus in which to vent his rage.
"You are," he chuckled "the problem you are describing."

Hmmmm. my advice? Try thinking for yourself and finding some of the answers a lot of us have worked years to find. Then, when ya have a real good grasp on what's going on, THAT will be the time to start demanding action.
Patience.
Read a lot.
Compare all the things you read and dismiss the irrelevant.
Form a conclusion.
Act on your conclusion.

I'm not bashing you at all, man. I'm doing what you asked in the OP. I'm giving you instructions. I asked over and over what your plan was, and you never came up with one. You said:

What do we want? Change. How are we gunna get it.

I was really hoping you were going to come up with something, because, it's pretty obvious you need something. I wish you well in your endeavors.

Cuhail

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Well I think it's too late to do anything. If you notice alot of people are brainwashed and they are getting towards their goals.

I told many people about that the IRS and the federal bank are private corps.

I am currently taking a college class well did it's over now, it's the federal tax class.

The teacher told us it's a government agency, Then I foudn out on ATS that it's a private corp, I didn't bealive it until some ATS members gave me links to state websites that shows the corperation business name IRS internal revenue service.

I couldn't bealive that this was true since I just took a class that asked if the IRS is a government agency or a corperate this was on the test.
The right answer for that test was government agency.

I just told my friend who took that same federal tax class about the IRS not being a governemnt agency but a private corp he didn't bealive me and told me no no your wrong because our class told us it's a government agency.

He still dosen't think we are right he still thinks it's a government agency.

Well All I can say that I think it's too late. The only action I see is retailiation they already made alot of rules that screwed this nation over.

If you really want to go do somthing about it you then have to take action by making a plan how you will take control.

Don't think the court system will be your plan to take back control of this country because they have their own people that run the court systems.

You would need to find good targets that would weaken them or would be the bases of your control grip.

This would be easily found, the federal bank since that famous quote say's:
who controls the money would care not of who makes the rules.

This shows that whoever controls the money of the country controls the country.

This would be the best target.

I just want to say still even today you can still get passed by with this but it would be hard.

I am sure if you try doing this you will be all over the news fox news would make you look like crazy people and would show those images to everyone world wide. This will make many people who would see you think your crazy or a bad man.

I am saying they met their goals on brainwashing very well.

I really really do not believe Oswald shot Kennedy.

I think he might have planned to, but I dont think he did it.
You dont scream you wont be a patsy as youre shooting people to get away. If you did it you know?

I know I wouldnt.