C-130 video confirms 84th RADES Data

Originally posted by SPreston

Here is FBI Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire's declaration to a court-ordered FOIA regarding the 85 confiscated and censored video tapes. As you can see, none of the Pentagon rooftop video cameras (at least 8 of them) were even mentioned as the FBI (Justice Dept) had no jurisdiction over the Defense Dept.

As you have been told, this is not your normal looney bin hangout.

You are simply making up s***. You have no clue if those cameras on the rooftop of the Pentagon had recorded video.

As you can see for yourself, the FBI was very careful about not mentioning what the confiscated videos showed in the air around the Pentagon and on the grounds; specifically the area around Lloyd England's taxi and the 5 light poles. Agent Maguire herself did not personally view 56 of the videotapes. Likely one of those protect your own ass deals. Those 56 videos were allegedly viewed by the FBI laboratory at Quantico Virginia, which repeatedly in the past has been accused by FBI whistleblowers of deliberate evidence tampering and manufacturing and mishandling. Surprise surprise surprise.

Baghdad Bob propaganda with no basis in reality at all.

And of course it is likely that Agent Maguire also did not view the higher quality videos from the rooftop cameras and stored on hard drives in the Pentagon security room in the basement.

More made up s***. You have no clue what you're talking about. Just more Baghdad Bob propaganda.

I think that with its sordid history, OUR FBI cannot be trusted despite all the wonderful Elliot Ness propaganda flicks.

Fortunately, they are more trustworthy than anyone in the troof club.

Oh by the way, Reheat is not an administrator on this forum, so just ignore his bullying tactics. He doesn't know any better and besides he needs lots of bravado to cover his ignorance and unlimited BS. Keep going with the excellent questions.

Never said I was an administrator, but I'm going to start reporting every off topic post you make from now on. Enough is enough. This is not Lose Change.

[edit on 21-8-2008 by Reheat]

Originally posted by Reheat
Fortunately, they are more trustworthy than anyone in the troof club.

If they as so trustworthy how come they only spent 5 days on the Pentagon crime scene after stating it would 30 days?

Never said I was an administrator, but I'm going to start reporting every off topic post you make from now on. Enough is enough. This is not Lose Change.

I will remember that the next off topic post you make also.

Originally posted by SPreston
Here is FBI Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire's declaration to a court-ordered FOIA regarding the 85 confiscated and censored video tapes. As you can see, none of the Pentagon rooftop video cameras (at least 8 of them) were even mentioned as the FBI (Justice Dept) had no jurisdiction over the Defense Dept.

Reheat
As you have been told, this is not your normal looney bin hangout.

You are simply making up s***. You have no clue if those cameras on the rooftop of the Pentagon had recorded video.

Of course the cameras were recording and storing their images in the security room for safekeeping. Often the presidential VH-3D or VH-60N Marine One helos landed there with their escorts nearby. Often the Sec of Defense or Joint Chiefs landed there. Do you think that helipad was never used? In fact Dubya had been there the day before (9-10) and was due to land at the Pentagon on 9-11, except the coward was hiding behind some small children in Florida instead.

What good are cameras if you don't use them? The Pentagon oversees a multi $trillion dollar defense system. You think the Pentagon was saving money on their security cameras? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha. You're a real clown Reheat.

SPreston
As you can see for yourself, the FBI was very careful about not mentioning what the confiscated videos showed in the air around the Pentagon and on the grounds; specifically the area around Lloyd England's taxi and the 5 light poles. Agent Maguire herself did not personally view 56 of the videotapes. Likely one of those protect your own ass deals. Those 56 videos were allegedly viewed by the FBI laboratory at Quantico Virginia, which repeatedly in the past has been accused by FBI whistleblowers of deliberate evidence tampering and manufacturing and mishandling. Surprise surprise surprise.

Reheat
Baghdad Bob propaganda with no basis in reality at all.

But I have not succumbed to your version of reality Reheat.
Your version of reality just sees blank wordless space where FBI Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire's declaration is printed.



[edit on 8/21/08 by SPreston]

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SPreston
And of course it is likely that Agent Maguire also did not view the higher quality videos from the rooftop cameras and stored on hard drives in the Pentagon security room in the basement.

Reheat
More made up s***. You have no clue what you're talking about. Just more Baghdad Bob propaganda.

Does it mention the rooftop videos anywhere in FBI Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire's declaration Reheat? Is your vehement denial denial denial denial denial denial considered satisfactory evidence?

Of course we all know that the confiscated or withheld videos could be useful as evidence to prove the actual flight path and arrival time of the C-130. Especially the higher quality Pentagon rooftop cameras would be useful, with the likelihood that they had a large field of view. The appearance of the decoy aircraft on the videos over the Navy Annex and subsequently North of the Citgo and banking to the right would be quite likely. On another note, the absense of an aircraft along the official flight path south of the Navy Annex and through the light poles would set off alarms among the American people.

The true owners of America, We The People, deserve to see those Pentagon rooftop videos. I truly doubt that the FBI laboratory in Quantico is skilled enough to fake them. Look at the lousy job they did faking the parking lot security videos. Somebody did a lousy job faking the Flight 77 FDR and the 84 RADES data. Was that you Reheat? Is that your mess? Is your neck on the line? Is that why you are so desperate to defend the Flight 77 FDR and the 84 RADES data? Tell the truth Reheat. No more lying.

Well, Baghdad Bob can spew propaganda to his hearts content, but can't seem to support it with any facts.

Let's examine a few of his propaganda statements. Several posts back Baghdad Bob indicated that the reason AA77 struck the West Wing of the Pentagon was to kill the accountants located there who were trying to find the "missing" 2.3 Trillion $$ of the last six years of the DoD Budget.

Then a few posts later, he contends that the Pentagon (it's a building) Personnel would spare no expense on high quality (no manufacturer/model numbers listed) security cameras located along the west wall. He does not do a very good job of explaining how there was any $$ for "high quality" security cameras when there was no $$ for SIX YEARS.

And that's his version of common sense?

Next, he tell us that the video for those cameras is stored in some fictitious room at the Pentagon when he has no knowledge of this at all. It is pure unadulterated speculation. It is well known that the Pentagon relies primarily on a LIVE Police Force for security, not necessarily video. Video is good for review and prosecution, but it does nothing for stopping security breaches in real time which is their primary concern.

Next, we're suppose to believe that one or more of those cameras were aimed up into the sky so as to record the flight path of the C-130. [He hopes this will convince someone because he can not resolve the problem of joining his fantasy flight path with the flight proven by the Tribby video and Looney photographs]. Also, the magical "sky camera" is also suppose to catch the "decoy aircraft" as it flew North of the Citgo Station. [Again, because this can not be proven with anything more than a few confused witness statements]. I would expect the next claim to be that lack of flyover proof is because the "sky camera video" of this fantasy event can not be proven because this evidence is also being withheld.

And that's his version of common sense?

The agency in charge of the cameras at the Pentagon is the Pentagon Force Protection Agency (PFPA) formerly the DPS. They have stated that some of the cameras on the west wall of the Pentagon were damaged during the attack specifically the one monitoring the helipad. He still does not prove they were recorded, but this doesn't matter, he can imply that it's stupid to believe they were not and accomplish his propaganda goal with some viewers.

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Now, he obviously ignores this and in essence accuses the Pentagon Force Protection Agency (PFPA) of being "in on" the conspiracy by withholding video of the "decoy aircraft". The irony of this is that three Police Officers from that very same agency are star witnesses for his hero's, CIT.

And that's his version of common sense?

And then in closing the patriotic ploy of "We the People" is invoked. I suppose someone needs to inform him that "We the People" are not a handful of "hard headed" lunatics that need a video recording of their conception and birth to know who they are.

Believe it or not - yes, this is all his version of common sense.

[edit on 21-8-2008 by Reheat]

[edit on 21-8-2008 by Reheat]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
I am still waiting for a believer to explain the E-4 flying around DC that day.

Great! America needs waiters.

Reheat
The agency in charge of the cameras at the Pentagon is the Pentagon Force Protection Agency (PFPA) formerly the DPS. They have stated that some of the cameras on the west wall of the Pentagon were damaged during the attack specifically the one monitoring the helipad. He still does not prove they were recorded, but this doesn't matter, he can imply that it's stupid to believe they were not and accomplish his propaganda goal with some viewers.

Come on Reheat, stop your lying. Everyone can now see exactly why you have been so desperate to defend your faked FDR and RADES data. You have been outed Mr Inside Man. What would it matter if the cameras were damaged or not during the explosions. The video would not be stored inside them anyway.

Look at the photos of the rooftop cameras hanging off the edge of the roof. Do you think they sent some poor sucker every day to risk his life to retrieve the 11+ security videos hanging off the rooftop? Do you think Pentagon security would want to attract attention to their security cameras by sending a cherry picker out every day to retrieve the 11+ security videos?

Of course not. Your disinformation is worse than useless. This is the most secure facility in the US Military. They have had $trillions of dollars through a decades long process of beefing up their security in their headquarters. Do you think all those Generals and Admirals and Joint Chiefs and the Secretaries of Defense would hesitate to spend tons of taxpayer dollars adding the most sophisticated security system money can buy? Of course they would and did.

You know the rooftop video cameras had a live feed right to the security offices in the basement. You know they would have had hard storage for the videos. Stop your lying Reheat. You are fooling nobody.

You are acting exactly like you have a personal stake in this Pentagon psyops mission Reheat. It sure looks like you have your cohones in a wringer. Maybe you need to take some time out, and try to figure out how to get your neck out of the wringer.

SPreston's Most Insightful Post Of the Year
The true owners of America, We The People, deserve to see those Pentagon rooftop videos. I truly doubt that the FBI laboratory in Quantico is skilled enough to fake them. Look at the lousy job they did faking the parking lot security videos. Somebody did a lousy job faking the Flight 77 FDR and the 84 RADES data. Was that you Reheat? Is that your mess? Is your neck on the line? Is that why you are so desperate to defend the Flight 77 FDR and the 84 RADES data? Tell the truth Reheat. No more lying.

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See, Baghdad Bob also writes for "The Onion"!

His next major feature will be in the OC Weekly. Nick Schou is eager to provide more laughs to his audience following his feature on CIT.

Reheat
Next, we're suppose to believe that one or more of those cameras were aimed up into the sky so as to record the flight path of the C-130. [He hopes this will convince someone because he can not resolve the problem of joining his fantasy flight path with the flight proven by the Tribby video and Looney photographs]. Also, the magical "sky camera" is also suppose to catch the "decoy aircraft" as it flew North of the Citgo Station. [Again, because this can not be proven with anything more than a few confused witness statements]. I would expect the next claim to be that lack of flyover proof is because the "sky camera video" of this fantasy event can not be proven because this evidence is also being withheld.

It doesn't need to be pointed at the sky Reheat. Look at the field of view of the altered parking lot el cheapo video camera which sat only two feet off the ground. As you can see, in the distance you can see more than double the height of the Pentagon roof which would be more than 150 feet altitude (AGL). There is a lot of sky for a camera only two feet off the ground. Add the 70 foot height of the rooftop cameras and the altitude (AGL) would be 220 feet. Of course the higher quality rooftop cameras would be much clearer and show more detail at a greater distance and a higher altitude. If the decoy aircraft and the C-130 and the fictitious Flight 77 had flown below 500 feet altitude (AGL), then one or more of the west facing rooftop cameras might have videotaped them.

All your denials of simple common sense are worthless and obvious to everybody Reheat. Your desperation is really showing through.
Pentagon Rooftop Security Cameras Facing West

SPreston's Most Insightful Post Of the Year
The true owners of America, We The People, deserve to see those Pentagon rooftop videos. I truly doubt that the FBI laboratory in Quantico is skilled enough to fake them. Look at the lousy job they did faking the parking lot security videos. Somebody did a lousy job faking the Flight 77 FDR and the 84 RADES data. Was that you Reheat? Is that your mess? Is your neck on the line? Is that why you are so desperate to defend the Flight 77 FDR and the 84 RADES data? Tell the truth Reheat. No more lying.

Originally posted by Reheat
Believe it or not - yes, this is all his version of common sense.

Speaking of common sense, when are you going to post any real evidence that AA77 hit the Pentagon?

Originally posted by jthomas.

Great! America needs waiters.


Thanks for keep proving my point about believers.

[edit on 22-8-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Reheat
The agency in charge of the cameras at the Pentagon is the Pentagon Force Protection Agency (PFPA) formerly the DPS. They have stated that some of the cameras on the west wall of the Pentagon were damaged during the attack specifically the one monitoring the helipad. He still does not prove they were recorded, but this doesn't matter, he can imply that it's stupid to believe they were not and accomplish his propaganda goal with some viewers.

John Jester, the chief of the Defense Protective Service (DPS), runs from his office at the Pentagon down to the DPS Communications Center and orders, “Get a camera up there!”

The attack occurred close to the Pentagon's heliport, an area that normally would be under 24-hour security surveillance, including video monitoring.

However, some of the Communications Center’s eight wall-mounted monitor screens are blank, because the crash has destroyed the camera nearest the area of impact and cut connectivity to others. Furthermore, some of the security cameras at the Pentagon are currently inoperable because of construction work going on. Officer Jesse De Vaughn brings up an image from a camera at the Navy Annex, located a few hundred yards from the Pentagon, which is then focused onto the crash site.
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Now, he obviously ignores this and in essence accuses the Pentagon Force Protection Agency (PFPA) of being "in on" the conspiracy by withholding video of the "decoy aircraft". The irony of this is that three Police Officers from that very same agency are star witnesses for his hero's, CIT.

And that's his version of common sense?

Security was provided by Defense Protective Service (DPS) on 9-11-2001. John Jester, the chief of DPS ran down to the basement from his office and ordered them to “Get a camera up there!”. Up means up to ground level.

A question for all you open-minded people who are NOT Reheat disciples. Did you notice? Eight wall-mounted monitor screens in the Pentagon Communications Center (which I call the security room in the basement) which were NOT destroyed by the explosions and bombs in the Wedge One area. Did they allow a news reporter down in the security area? Very doubtful. Probably 2nd or 3rd hand information.

The heliport area normally would be under 24-hour security surveillance, including video monitoring. Therefore the video cameras were hard wired to the eight monitors in the basement. Correct? Of what use is video monitoring if the images are not stored for later investigation?

Mr Disinformation Dodo Reheat would have us believe that he has inside information that the video footage was not stored. If so, besides the obvious alteration of the most important frames, how did they retrieve the footage from the two parking lot cameras if they were not stored?

If Pentagon DPS security stored the footage at the parking lot with vehicles coming in and leaving, why would they NOT store the rooftop camera footage with helicopters flying in and leaving? All of the camera footage would be stored up to the very second they were damaged or knocked offline by the explosions. There should be excellent video of the nearby grounds and lower altitude skies.

There was always a chance of a helicopter disaster at the helipad. Pilots make mistakes. (Even Reheat on his MFS9) Rotors sometimes fly to pieces. Besides at times, we had the world's foremost idiots climbing aboard or disembarking those helos at the Pentagon helipad. That is begging for a disaster.

No Reheat, I would accuse their bosses; the CJS or the Sec Defense or Cheney or Dubya himself of ORDERING them to withhold the rooftop videos for 'Reasons of National Security'.

Open-minded persons actually visiting this forum and other 9-11 Truth related forums to seek the TRUTH of 9-11 might notice that the DPS Communications Center actually had a camera located above the roof of the Navy Annex and facing the explosion site, hard wired into their monitors with direct control over that camera. Of course that video footage would have been stored on military hard drives also. The technology existed long before only 7 years ago and the US Military loved the new computer technology and spent $billions on it.

The Navy Annex sits on a hill about 130 feet above the Pentagon helipad and the video camera sits above the roof at an altitude of 180+ feet (AGL) above the helipad. This camera aimed downward toward the Pentagon had an excellent field of view of any and all aircraft approaching the Pentagon.

Perhaps the C-130 approaching two to three minutes behind the decoy aircraft and turning north before reaching the Pentagon would have escaped its field of view. But there were likely other cameras on the Navy Annex which could have captured the C-130 as it remained to the north of the Navy Annex.

The decoy aircraft flew directly over this camera. Take notice below that this camera was still doing its job down in the basement Communications Center after 9-11. There would have been an excellent stored video of the aircraft flying away from the camera lens and banking to the right. Most likely it showed clearly the decoy aircraft flying over the south parking lot or where ever it flew. Perhaps it even picked up a landing at Reagan National.

Navy Annex Rooftop Camera Facing Pentagon Explosions

Does anyone actually believe that camera was damaged by the explosions hundreds of yards away at the Pentagon wall? Again, what sense is there in video monitoring, if the images are not stored for retrieval and investigation?

Just imagine if a presidential helicopter crashed at the helipad. Does anybody think that FAA crash investigators (who were NOT allowed at the Pentagon 9-11 explosion scene by the way) would NOT be demanding the video footage from this Navy Annex video camera, and also all the other local video coverage?

But Mr Disinformation Dodo Reheat would have us believe that this was normal Defense Dept and FBI investigative procedure to discount and censor the video footages and pretend they did not exist and prevent experienced FAA crash investigators from doing the jobs they were created for.

After all it was the Bush Regime with their prepared scripts and prepared military forces set to invade and prepared Patriot act, who dishonestly claimed that a 100 ton 757 aircraft crashed into the Pentagon. No video proof. NONE. No reliable aircraft serial number proof. NONE. No reliable perpetrator proof. NONE. No prosecution nor punishment of US officials or military officers for incompetence. NONE. No competent or non-politicized investigation of 9-11. NONE.

However, some of the Communications Center’s eight wall-mounted monitor screens are blank, because the crash has destroyed the camera nearest the area of impact and cut connectivity to others. Furthermore, some of the security cameras at the Pentagon are currently inoperable because of construction work going on. Officer Jesse De Vaughn brings up an image from a camera at the Navy Annex, located a few hundred yards from the Pentagon, which is then focused onto the crash site.
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Navy Annex Rooftop Camera Facing Pentagon Explosions

The security video camera atop the Navy Annex and directly hard wired into the Pentagon basement Communications Center sat on the small building above the northern end of Wing 6.



Navy Annex after renovation and after removal of Wing 8 and after construction of memorial
Camera located atop small building above north end of Wing 6



Navy Annex Rooftop Camera Facing Pentagon Explosions

View from the Sheraton over the Navy Annex








[edit on 8/22/08 by SPreston]

The premise in the OP was that the total hard evidence of the Tribby video, Looney Photographs, ATC tapes/transcript, and the statements of the pilot of the C-130 support the data published by the 84th Radar Evaluation Squadron (RADES) of the C-130 in and around the Pentagon on 9/11/2001. Subsequent to the posting of the OP additional analysis has substantiated this original premise.

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In multiple pages of mostly noise this premise has not been refuted.

It has been nearly 7 years since the attack. If there are additional video records not covered under the FOIA requests from the FBI, WHERE is/are the FOIA(s) requesting those and/or WHERE is/are the refusal(s) to release them?

Why is there consistent refusal by those who contend the RADES data is fake, to connect the dots of the alternate theory (ies) with the HARD EVIDENCE?

Until such time as the Moderators of this Forum reduce the off topic noise level or until such time someone posts a worthwhile substantiated refutation of the OP, this will be my last post in the thread.


[edit on 22-8-2008 by Reheat]

[edit on 22-8-2008 by Reheat]

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Please supply us with proof that these cameras have their own dedicated monitor.

Then get back to the OP that you have run away from.

reply to post by SPreston


Please supply us with proof that these cameras have their own dedicated monitor.

Then get back to the OP that you have run away from.

Originally posted by Reheat
Until such time as the Moderators of this Forum reduce the off topic noise level or until such time someone posts a worthwhile substantiated refutation of the OP, this will be my last post in the thread.

Oh, poor little Reheat is throwing a temper tantrum since he is being proven wrong. He might have to actually wake up and face reallity.

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
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Please supply us with proof that these cameras have their own dedicated monitor.

Then get back to the OP that you have run away from.

Of course. That was already provided in my post above which came from the link that Reheat gave us. Some of the 8 wall-mounted monitors were blank because the explosions had destroyed the camera nearest the helipad and allegedly cut connectivity to others. Of course they could have been turned off with a simple push of the button because a news reporter was in the room. Correct? Why would the monitors none of which had been destroyed be blank, except they were dedicated to the cameras?

And the Navy Annex camera which was tied into the monitors in the Pentagon DPS Communications Center was working just fine wasn't it? I have seen security monitors which could display 4 separate videos per screen or just one video and the ability to switch from one video to another. But each video was separately recorded. The parking lot videos were separately recorded, then poorly altered later before release to the American public. Isn't that correct?

John Jester, the chief of the Defense Protective Service (DPS), runs from his office at the Pentagon down to the DPS Communications Center and orders, “Get a camera up there!”

The attack occurred close to the Pentagon's heliport, an area that normally would be under 24-hour security surveillance, including video monitoring.

However, some of the Communications Center’s eight wall-mounted monitor screens are blank, because the crash has destroyed the camera nearest the area of impact and cut connectivity to others. Furthermore, some of the security cameras at the Pentagon are currently inoperable because of construction work going on. Officer Jesse De Vaughn brings up an image from a camera at the Navy Annex, located a few hundred yards from the Pentagon, which is then focused onto the crash site.
www.historycommons.org...

Originally posted by SPreston
Of course they could have been turned off with a simple push of the button because a news reporter was in the room.

"Could have." No proof then.

Thank you have a nice day.

Debunkers would have people believe that the camera's at the Pentagon were only equipped to catch someone robbing an ATM machine.