The Greatest Deception of Mankind

Originally posted by thehype16

Originally posted by 1nL1ghtened
When I decided to try and author this thread, I had to d alot of soul searching and prayer. I knew that there would be many people who would balk at this information because of fear.

Why do you think people are afraid, because they don't believe.
People join religions because they are afraid.

Why do I think people are afraid? They are afraid because they have turned away from God. They are afraid because deep down.. we all know the truth. Some of us embrace it...some of us reject it, after all that what "free will" is. People are afraid because they just dont know...they have no convictions...no directions. People are afraid that their life has no meaning and that there is no afterlife. People are afraid for many different reasons, what are yours?

Originally posted by 1nL1ghtened
reply to post by Elmer_Dinkley

 

I understand your reaction to this thread. Many have said the same things you are and I am of the belief that you are the ones whom are afraid. Many facts have been cited here for those who care to actually read them. You my friend are completely mistaken about me...in fact you would not believe the courage it took to post this. So before you carelessly throw your accusations around mabey you should examine the facts as I have done....

please state these facts because your posts really only point to speculation.

Why Christianity?, If you really go out and study more religions and see the similarities. You will see that the Bible and christianity are more earthbound than you think.

1nL1ghtened,

I believe along the same lines as you. I don't really believe that the demons inhabit actual, physical bodies but it's a possibility.

But this theory makes more sense to me than the popular alien/ufo theories that abound. And like you said, their only reasons for doing this are to deceive us. And they have done so brilliantly.

Originally posted by 1nL1ghtened

Originally posted by thehype16

Originally posted by 1nL1ghtened
When I decided to try and author this thread, I had to d alot of soul searching and prayer. I knew that there would be many people who would balk at this information because of fear.

Why do you think people are afraid, because they don't believe.
People join religions because they are afraid.

Why do I think people are afraid? They are afraid because they have turned away from God. They are afraid because deep down.. we all know the truth. Some of us embrace it...some of us reject it, after all that what "free will" is. People are afraid because they just dont know...they have no convictions...no directions. People are afraid that their life has no meaning and that there is no afterlife. People are afraid for many different reasons, what are yours?

I was raised in Christianity since I was 2 I was supposedly saved. I went to Christian School since kindergarten - 9th and forced to go to church many occasions. We studied the Bible everyday and I started to find questionable parts. If God exists, I believe the Bible is wrong. It is written too broad and in too many symbols for anyone of modern day to discern it. I have nothing to fear. What is their to fear, some teachings from who knows what, about hell or wrath. Revelation is way too easy to fulfill when it comes to the symbolism, the possibilities are endless.

Honestly I don't see the reason to search for meaning of life, when you get off that personal level, you see it all is survival. Create the new ways of life to live by to keep a good survival not an awesome afterlife.

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*Runs in and sits down*...
Hi Hi!
Well, it’s good to see people who are willing to take a risk at being bashed, over what they believe in. We all could take a lesson from you on that one, so, gold star for you!

Regardless whether I agree with you or not (some parts I do, others I don’t) one of your thoughts really jumped out at me.

You wrote: “but it was completely ruined by the absolute, unequivocal, thoughts of malice and hatred, projected to me...by the occupants of this craft.”

This part really makes me think.
If they were Aliens (in the commonly thought of sense) then maybe they were angry and hate-filled after observing the world and it’s inhabitants and all the filthy wrongs we’re doing to this amazing place we live.

If they were demonic?
The devil is supposed to be beautiful and seduce us with his beautify.
Demons?
I’ve not a clue other than the only interaction I’ve had with them; they’re pretty pissed and hate filled yes. But why demons in a “Spaceship” (I use the term loosely)?
You really have me thinking.

The feeling you described reminds me of my paramedic days and learning about people who experienced an incredible “feeling of impending doom” just before their body produced a stroke, heart attack etc.

Hmm, all very vexing!

Anyway, thanks for your thought provoking, well written and really courageous post.

I like thinking, lol.

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Satan has figured out a way to clone physical beings or shells from various animal and plant life to allow his minions to inhabit this physical plane

this part i agree to since i have believed the same thing for a few years now and has also been discussed in this thread, www.abovetopsecret.com...

but the part that i have trouble with is the reasoning for it:

to delude and fool mankind into searching for life on other planets...instead of taking care of our own here on Earth

this seems like silly reason and if this is his plan it is failing, we ARE looking for life elsewhere but we also ARE attempting to take care of our own planet as well, some may disagree but that is topic for anothr thread.

thanks for reviving this theory.

I would like to take time here and thank EVERYONE, every single one of you, who has taken the time to read this and or reply. We are all still learning, as life is a learning process. There are many questions to this mystery that remain unanswered, but I come away from this humbled and strengthened in my resolve.

We should continue to look inward and to seek God. I think that is so important. I too was at a time completely disillusioned by the church or religion as a whole.. it has been mentioned, the inquisition, the crusades, the unmentionable atrocities that people through out time have suffered in the name of religion, and as a loving, caring human being, the sorrow that I feel for what we have done to ourselves is immeasurable.

We all have reasons for our individual beliefs, and I do truly respect all opinions because, this isnt about me or just my specific beliefs.. but more importantly its about all of us, all of humanity.

I truly appreciate all the U2U's and the support, and feel that we are close to an understanding albeit fleeting, that there is quite a bit more to this than face value. I also appreciate the opposing views to these findings as critical thinking is and will always remain paramount. God gave us a brain and I'm pleased to see so many actually using it.

Respectfully yours,
1nL~

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Awesome thread. In the last days there will come over the earth a great decpetion
2 Thessalonians
9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

Originally posted by 1nL1ghtened
,,, We should continue to look inward and to seek God. I think that is so important. ,,,

,,, but more importantly its about all of us, all of humanity.

God gave us a brain and I'm pleased to see so many actually using it.

Respectfully yours,
1nL~

Oh, not 2 talk about that I do not give up hope that many on earth have Heart & Soul (not just a brain), whose level can be reached when ONE start's to think very deeply and not just Above ...

GOoD on you to encourage here to seek for a relationship with God/The Divine. And I'm not talking about (any kind of institutionalised) religion ... except and expect sOMe:

Love, Light, Peace, Truth & all the good Stuff!

and as JesUS said:
"When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the ABOVE like the Below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same ... then you will enter the KingdOM of God." Gospel (happy message) of ThOMas

NAMASTE! (I bow to the divine in you)

The greatest deception known to mankind is religion! When you're dead, you're dead!! You're not going anywhere but to the ground or to the furnace! Religion was put in place to help keep a large group of people in line. Give them something to hope for and believe in. Kind of a way to help the police keep people calm and happy and hopeful! It's all politics, and they sure did a good job. Religion is now a big money making business! How many biblical lies have to be debunked before people finally realize it's a huge scam?

Originally posted by 1nL1ghtened

Originally posted by thehype16

Originally posted by 1nL1ghtened
When I decided to try and author this thread, I had to d alot of soul searching and prayer. I knew that there would be many people who would balk at this information because of fear.

Why do you think people are afraid, because they don't believe.
People join religions because they are afraid.

Why do I think people are afraid? They are afraid because they have turned away from God. They are afraid because deep down.. we all know the truth. Some of us embrace it...some of us reject it, after all that what "free will" is. People are afraid because they just dont know...they have no convictions...no directions. People are afraid that their life has no meaning and that there is no afterlife. People are afraid for many different reasons, what are yours?

But what about people who don't believe in God and are not afraid. I know many people who bothe believe in God and those that don't. Invariably those who "believe" have something in their life that they are afraid of (usually death - their own and/or never seeing departed love ones ever again) and seek solace in religion.

Once you are dead that's it finished bye bye cheerio. Enjoy life now while you can. Help others to also enjoy their life (so cut the greed and selfishness etc). Lay the foundations for future generations to enjoy their lives with less toil than us. After all life is not God given it's the natural order of the universe to counteract entropy.........observe carefully

Of course this means you can't wallow in self pity or sit around waiting for a second coming. You have to act NOW. Ooops that's upset a few people!

Originally posted by malcr
,,, After all life is not God given it's the natural order of the universe to counteract entropy.........observe carefully

Ever thought about God as some kind of 'super-Natural Cosmic Energy' ... Pervading everyThing and being part of NOthing?
This is what I can obSERVE ...
kNOW what I mean?!

[edit on 14/8/2008 by guard]

Originally posted by 1nL1ghtened
Why do I think people are afraid? They are afraid because they have turned away from God. They are afraid because deep down.. we all know the truth. Some of us embrace it...some of us reject it, after all that what "free will" is. People are afraid because they just dont know...they have no convictions...no directions. People are afraid that their life has no meaning and that there is no afterlife. People are afraid for many different reasons, what are yours?

Oh my...1nL1ghtened...

So 'free will' for you results in believing in something that isn't there (according to me for one)? You really are afraid...Pathetic one.

Also all your excuses, like; 'I know it isn't easy to understand and I do not pretend to "know it all' don't sound like there is much faith even in your own thoughts.

Have you read: Understanding Christian Motivations like I suggested a little while ago? Or do you just ignore me while I am just trying to get some answers from you?

Also this just always amazes me:

I think in time, many will see what some of us do now, I encourage you all to research this your self but do not let it consume your life, for we all have been given a precious gift in Jesus Christ who has left us many teachings for us to follow and study.

You say 'some of us know now'?! I guess there are a lot like you out there, god fearing people I mean. Last time I checked there were more 'religious people' then people who just don't need this delusion.

What does it actually mean to you:

"for we all have been given a precious gift in Jesus Christ who has left us many teachings for us to follow and study"

What did you study? The things you follow I will not even try to get out of you, because answers on this I probably never get. Afraid of all I could say about it? You're lack of faith is almost embarrassing me and I don't even care that much?!

Maybe you're not the right person to ask all this. According to you we are all being decepted because like you stated: 'our common enemy has had literally thousands of years (possibly many, many more than that' to do so...What 'god' has done in the meantime I will probably never understand?!

Again you just prove your lack of faith in what you say is the only way.

Nevertheless I always want people like you to explain things regarding religion to me because me myself will never be convinced. That is why I try to understand why you are so convinced...How come?


Also you said the following to Elmer_Dinkley; "Many facts have been cited here for those who care to actually read them."...I care...I read all of this?!? Again this lack of faith in everything around you...

What did I miss regarding you're so called 'facts'? Could you please name one 'fact' that according to you I didn't even read? I love facts!

Originally posted by 1nL1ghtened


We should continue to look inward and to seek God. I think that is so important. I too was at a time completely disillusioned by the church or religion as a whole.. it has been mentioned, the inquisition, the crusades, the unmentionable atrocities that people through out time have suffered in the name of religion, and as a loving, caring human being, the sorrow that I feel for what we have done to ourselves is immeasurable.

I can definitely stand behind the inward path to enlightenment. Apologies if my critique of your post came off as harsh. It is a good post and very worthy of discussion. I feel their is certainly a spiritual element to ET's, whether they are good,bad, or in between.

I too believe ufo/aliens are part of the deception as it states in the bible, ('the lie' as Jesus called it). As I was studying this phenomenon I was oppressed esp. at night. One example was I was dreaming I was sitting on a chair in my house and a force came down on my head and it felt like it was going to squish the life out of me. And I did have to say the name of Jesus and it left.

The bible clearly states that the last 'kingdom' that rules before the return of Jesus Christ is diverse (altered in hebrew) from all the rest; it's partially iron and partially clay. It also denotes a mixing with the seed of men (Daniel 2). The antichrist will be in collusion with a strange god-AND GET THIS: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide...let me just quote the verse: Daniel 11:39
39Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

The hebrew for strange is alien.

*So we have a altering/change/mixing going on with the seed of men.
*We have the antichrist in collusion with a strange/alien gods dividing the land for gain.

1nL1ghtened,

I have heard this theory many times before and find it to be one of the most disturbing theories being entertained to date. The purpose of this post is simply to propose a few questions that I find relevant to the topic at hand.

First, If you truely believe your own theory than what does that say about the God you put your faith in? Why would a loving and merciful God make an infinte universe consisting of millions of galaxies and possibly millions of planets to deceive the human race here on Earth? This doesn't make any sense at all. If your theory is indeed true than God is just as much apart of the "Great Deception" as your "Demons" and were all screwed. However, I don't believe this to be the case simply because God would not allow "Satan" to deceive any vessel with the life-spark in such a way that strips the vessel of its ability to think rationally. You very eloquently stated in one of your posts that you are happy to see many of us are using our God-given brain for something other than to occupy the space between our ears. All human beings have the cabability of independent rational thought, this is what makes us universally unique. If our mind is not our own and can be controlled by outside stimuli than doesn't that negate the idea of "Free-Will", the entire premise on which every major religion is founded?

Second, How do you explain the mutltitude of reports that there are other intelligent humanoid beings that are helping human beings on Earth? Are these the "Angels" to your "Demons"?

Third, How do you know that the translations of the "Bible" are completely accurate? Coming from someone who wrote his MBA thesis on the inaccuracies of translation from one language to another I would be more careful about throwing passages around that more than likely have been grossely mistranslated over a couple thousand years. This is all I will say in this post about this subject simply because it is far to complex to discuss in an open forum such as this.

Lastly, How in the world did you come to this conclusion? Is it because you felt a strong sense of fear and dread during your encounter with an itelligence far greater than your own? I can say with confidence that 99.9% of people who have experienced similar phenomenon probably had the same feelings. However, this doesn't lead us to the conclusion that these beings are "Demons" taking human form. Have you ever entertained the idea that if intelligent life does indeed exist outside of Earth that some of these humanoid beings would be capable of malice and evil just like human beings here on Earth? By your rationale I could very well say that it is us who are the "Demons" and not them.

Please Respond because I would love to discuss this topic more with someone such as yourself. You make some very interesting points that should be addressed. Although I think you are reaching for answers that are simply not there or can't be defined in ways that we as humans will ever be able to understand given our present mental capabilities.

P.S. Fear plays just as an important role in your religion as God. In fact, according to the Bible the two go hand-in-hand. "The Fear of God is the Beginning of Knowledge." If you are right, than maybe this passage was translated correctly and we all are in deep trouble.

demons in flying saucers oh come on give me a break

lets get something strait shall we the BIBLE is a book written by man NOT GOD/CREATOR
Man wrote the collection of stories that are in this book and infact have chosen over the years to miss out or change parts we dont like.
I refer to the fact that the fire and brimstone stuff was removed from the old testiment to produce the new and the fact that not all the so called gospels (again and mans/womans take on events) are included because they dont all fit neatly

If the church had its way none of us would of ever learned to read unless we where clergy and the fact that the majority of scientist would of been burned murdered or stoned as demons themselves for going against "gods" the chruches plan of control

now some of you are going to say that means i dont beleive in God well i do just not the one religions have tried to ram down my throat since i was born
GOD created everything as you say well if thats so whatever is in the univers was created by him toso why do i need to go sit in a church/temple or read a book to worship isnt the whole universe one big church

now ETs i dont get a good feeling about these so called GREYS but that doesnt mean there going to murder us all in our sleep or enslave us all
I just have an issue with being drugged stuffed into a operation room and being stuck with needles without my cencent

But then again havent we been doing that to creatures on this planet for centuries yet we are not all evil .... and im sure if dig back far enoguhint the majority of religions they have dont even worse

I just think the GOD squad out there need to back off with all the fear mongering they are doing at the moment .
Fear and the irrational reaction as humans we have to fear is what will probably get us destroyed, Not the fact that something be it extra dimensional or allien or spritual comes to visit but because we react in such a bad way when it does that their only way of remaining safe themselves will be to just wipe us out

sorry for the rant guys but im getting realy tired of people quoting scriptur to justify their irrational fears

It's all true. What are demons? They are disembodied spirits, Nephilim, whose physical bodies were destroyed during the great flood. They are the children that came from the union of fallen angels (messengers of the Creator, now in rebellion) and human women. If you want to do business in the physical world you need a physical body. The fallen ones saw women as a fit extension through which they could extend themselves into our realm. Their goal was to supplant the rightful heirs of the earth (pure humans) with their genetically and morally corrupt seed and to usurp worship/authority belonging to the one true god, the Creator.

Demons crave the physical body they once had. They will attach themselves to, or inhabit any person or animal that they can gain influence upon. Demons prefer that you do not know they exist! They prefer to masquerade as aliens, ghosts, shadow people, deceased relatives/friends, ect. They are deceitful and no truth is found in them. Their power lies in human ignorance. Now that the fallen angels have been cast out of the Heavens (interstellar space/dimesions) they are imprisoned on, above, and within the depths of the Earth itself. They are preparing for the great battle of Armageddon. Theirs is a war that began in the Heavens and ends on Earth. Technology is another tool the Resistor (Satan, the ruler of all demons) uses. We were seeded with it in stages going back thousands of years.

As for UFO/USO's, many demoted entities need these craft for transportation around the globe. Some craft are theirs, the others belong to us. No angels of the Creator while in his service require this mode of transport. The goal of repopulating the earth with new Nephilim is well under way. Genetic manipulation is one of their tools. Human-animal hybrids and clones (Reptilians, Grays, EBE's, Sasquatch, ect.) are results of their unlawful misuse of this creationary knowledge/technology. Shells are exactly what they create because their creations are unsanctioned and posses no spirit. They are created to be inhabited by demons who seek flesh once again and wish to enslave and rule over all humanity as they believe themselves to be superior and thus have great disdain for mankind.

They will come as messengers of light bearing great knowledge and gifts (more technology). They will answer all of our questions. They will claim to be our creators and have the scientific proof (DNA evidence) to support their claims. They will also deny the diety of Jesus Christ. An alien shell is merely a disguise.

Some events that shall indeed take place:

A one world Government
(Antichrist)

The tracking of every man, woman, plant, animal, and resource on earth with a powerful RFID variant
(The Mark of the Beast - The Beast from the Earth)

Space debris strike the earth
(The Seventh Seal - The Trumpets)

The destruction of every major city and religion
(The fall of Babylon)

The return of our true masters
(Jesus Christ and YHVH)

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WOW kcire what emotion did 1nL1ghtened hit. He must have hit a nerve.

Heck,

All one has to do is to read the 1st book of ENOCH.

Read it, it is the oldest book on the planet, hidden from mankind for the last 1000 years, its now available.

READ THE 1st BOOK OF ENOCH and you will get an idea of what is goin on.