Too far?

Hi Guys, i would just like to say how far some of these conspiracys are going as for Roswell and alien subjects, i do belive that we have and are being visited and crashes have occured in the past, but i feel these are rare events and little is understood by goverments about these visitors and there motives, certain people go as far as to say there are vast alien bases (Dulce) and interconnecting world wide tunnel systems, secret astronaut cores, and we are controlled by draco lizards and grays, if thats true why now? why didnt they enslave us while we were in the stone age?, sorry like i said i do belive in cases like roswell and other well documented cases BUT i truly belive that our goverments dont know what they are dealing with or who and with what intention these creatures wish to operate, and thats the reason theres a vail of secrecy to this, and if these creatures are not as nice as ET and are hostile then that too would be a case for keeping it under wraps, if there was a crash and human body parts were recoverd amongst the mentals and alien bodys then thats hostile intent and that would be best kept secret. Maybe we should listen to people like Stanton T. Friedman and take David Ike with a pinch of salt

Ste

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[edit on 14-8-2008 by Gemwolf]

Seems to me that the Black Ops groups hardly have to lift a finger to keep their secrets as long as there are enough nut jobs to muddy the waters with outlandish claims and preposterous stories.

Originally posted by englishste
Maybe we should listen to people like Stanton T. Friedman and take David Ike with a pinch of salt

Yes, probably so.

Icke's "The Biggest Secret" was his best work IMO, but some of the subjects he touched on were wayyyyy out there.

The reptilian bit was the hardest to get past.

Stanton Friedman is my favorite researcher, by far. He doesn't just immediately accept any story as fact upon first hearing it, like so many do here. In fact, he won't acknowledge it as solid story until ALL facts surrounding it are thoroughly dissected. That's how all cases should be treated. Not "Huh, that sounds plausible.. ok, I believe it!"

I agree some of these stories sound farfetched but not as farfetched as places such as bookofthoth forums! at least most of this here is grounded in science.

How can any of this be denied with pictures and threads containing info like this?

Does anyone know what happened to the detailed topic that was posted last night indicating original source and zoom in of the following photo from MARS:

www.mufoncms.com...




one more bit of advise people, PLEASE STOP letting NASA know that you have found something when zooming into their photos. I know people who work there and they will routinely airbrush or remove photos the public brings to light. Instead when you DO find things, alert your local media or National news like FOX and CNN. At least there will then be a major news story before it gets airbrushed.

Originally posted by fleabit
Stanton Friedman is my favorite researcher, by far. He doesn't just immediately accept any story as fact upon first hearing it, like so many do here.

Unfortunately, Friedman is an old-school believer in the ET Hypothesis, and won't have anything to do with any evidence (like psychic and time shift effects) that veers outside the realm of the "nuts-and-bolts" flying saucers controlled by aliens from other planets notion. He's a great one for seeing blacked out pages and assuming they have something to do with aliens, rather than about keeping intelligence gathering protocols secret.

He's one of these guys who has likely been told "something" in confidence by someone they consider to be trustworthy and knowledgeable, like a military person, perhaps, and buys the story hook, line, and sinker without the proof to back it up or without worrying about what this other person's agenda might be.

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well glad to see like minded people in here, i mean i truly belive we are not alone, and the biggest wall in front of all this research is science itself, i was watching national geo on the little people of simatra, and all the farmers and locals, who have seen them, and a scientist said, i dont need to go and investigate because no one has brought me a body so as far as im concerned theres nothing there, so as with UFOs Bigfoot, little people, sea mosters and all the other "paranormal" goings on in our world science is lazy unlike the good old days of the 19th century were scientist went out to explore and investigte, modern day scientist dont want to discover new creatures or what happend at Roswell because that means they were wrong and then the question would be , what else were they wrong about?
so its up to us and the crypto's of this world and modernday science risks being left behind and maybe thts a good thing.

STE

I think the aliens don't really care one way or another about us.

If they are abducting us it's probably just out of cold scientific research or for their own purposes, like when we tag fish and trap animals to dissect them.

The whole government coverup seems like it started as sort of a panic program because they didn't know what else to do and now it has gotten out of control and they don't know how to end it without looking like idiots.

It's like the old theories of parenting where you had to convince your children that you were the absolute authority on everything and they weren't to question your judgment, because if you make a mistake or get caught lying you look stupid to them and lose all credibility.

The problem now is that we are all grown up and are asking the hard questions. I don't think the government realizes that we can see through their crap and we know they aren't any smarter or wiser than the rest of us.

They are afraid of losing face but they don't realize they have already lost the respect and admiration of the people.

So, I think there are probably aliens and UFOs but when we find out I bet it's a lot more boring than we have it pictured to be.

Originally posted by emsed1
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The whole government coverup seems like it started as sort of a panic program because they didn't know what else to do and now it has gotten out of control and they don't know how to end it without looking like idiots.
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One thing that has been proven over and over and over again, politicians can't keep secrets; and whatever they do it ends up biting them in the behind.

Be it Bill Clinton, Richard Nixon, or John Edwards the end result is always the same.

Does this mean most politicians they can't keep secrets? Yeah, Kind of.

Does this mean there are no secrets?

Actually, I think it's the opposite! Because politicians are so volatile by nature, typically 8 years of public service, they come and go regularly and can never be part of more rigid structure which do not require public appointment.

Such groups I believe can be more tightly knit than those which need to be re-structured every few years with the churn rate that entails.

So, I do not think there is an elected government cover-up, they are as ignorant as you & I.

Rather, the military complex ,including entities such as the NSA, can operate independently and with impunity.

The NSA has secrets, I am sure. And big ones at that.

Well i was just reading about Dulce base, and a debate on entrance to the base, first of all i have total respect for what people belive, but some of these things that are comming out with WOW, anyway someone asked how do they enter this bio mutation lab at dulce where people are crossed bred with octpus and alien DNA, well acording to one person who has a sourse (he must have escaped the clutches of dreco bio warriors) they use In these tunnels some form of magneto train is used for transportation which can reach speeds of up to Mach Two, look guys like someone on this thread has said, i belive in Aliens, and that even multidimentional creatures have visited us, but for a goverment to build a cross state underground train link to more than a 100 bases and hardly anyone hears these, or sees these things, i really think this sort of thing (even though i respect your right to belive it) isnt helping and may be hampering the investigtion, i truly think that if we were to get full disclosure tomorrow, and we are told about intelligent life amazing as it maybe, compared to some storys around it just be mundane and some what disapointing in scope.

Ste

Originally posted by senshido

Originally posted by emsed1
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The whole government coverup seems like it started as sort of a panic program because they didn't know what else to do and now it has gotten out of control and they don't know how to end it without looking like idiots.
..

One thing that has been proven over and over and over again, politicians can't keep secrets; and whatever they do it ends up biting them in the behind.

Be it Bill Clinton, Richard Nixon, or John Edwards the end result is always the same.

Does this mean most politicians they can't keep secrets? Yeah, Kind of.

Does this mean there are no secrets?

Actually, I think it's the opposite! Because politicians are so volatile by nature, typically 8 years of public service, they come and go regularly and can never be part of more rigid structure which do not require public appointment.

Such groups I believe can be more tightly knit than those which need to be re-structured every few years with the churn rate that entails.

So, I do not think there is an elected government cover-up, they are as ignorant as you & I.

Rather, the military complex ,including entities such as the NSA, can operate independently and with impunity.

The NSA has secrets, I am sure. And big ones at that.

In Jesse Marcel Jr's book "The Roswell Legacy", he writes about a meeting with a US government official on this subject,

He told me that he had been charged with the responsibility of investigating the operation of a "black government" within the government, where funds were being spent without appropriate oversight....snip...I was informed by a government official that there is an arm of the government that is neither elected by, nor accountable to the taxpayer, and which has at its disposal huge sums of money being spent illegally to keep events such as Roswell story hidden from the public

reply to post by Nohup

I don’t agree with your position on Stanton Friedman’s... position. He certainly doesn’t buy all the information out there just because it fits his personal beliefs.

A prime example of this would be Bob Lazar and his story. If Bob Lazar story is true it would prove everything Friedman believes: alien visitation and recovered hardware by the Military. And yet, Friedman is one of the biggest Lazar critics.



reply to post by englishste

Forget the Dulce story. Really, don’t even bother. It is clearly disinformation that was passed on to Paul Bennewitz to make him go look for aliens in the desert, and away from Kirkland AFB where he witnessed and recorded interesting events.

And it’s unfortunate that people are still perpetuating and believing all the BS Rick Doty and John Lear spread in the 80s.



[edit on 4-1-2009 by danx]

Originally posted by senshido
In Jesse Marcel Jr's book "The Roswell Legacy", he writes about a meeting with a US government official on this subject

Are you talking about the meeting he had in the Capitol or something like that?

If so, he tells the story of that meeting on this episode of The Paracast.

Jesse Marcel Jr. unfortunately didn’t seem to remember if this Government official said he was with the NSA or NSC. He also says this person sat him down in a room, grabbed Corso’s book (The Day After Roswell) and said something to the effect of “this is all true”.

David Biedny, one of the hosts of The Paracast, asked Jesse if he thought or felt that perhaps he was being fed disinformation and Jesse said the idea didn’t even occurred to him. Good thing Jesse Marcel Jr. never told that story publicly as it was gospel, as far as I know, because I honestly believe someone was trying to use him to spread disinformation.