The God Debate

The God Debate

I have lurked here for several years, and even though I feel I have some answers to various questions concerning Conspiracy, Religion, etc, I am also aware that I know nothing that I have not experienced for myself, and then THAT is only subjective. There are so many things I have not experienced; it would appear that I know very little about a great many things. In fact, since we all perceive subjectively, I don’t think anyone has the answer, just subjective interpretation of objectivity. For those who think that have the truth all locked up in a box, so be it, but I will not attempt to convert you to my personal philosophy, I am just not interested in that.

That being said…

I did a search on this site, and couldn’t find my info to be a repetition of someone else’s post, so forgive please if I missed it.

My ideas of God, have gone through so many changes over the course of my life, that I have divorced myself from the mainstream views. The most difficult fact that I have had concerning god is that he is infinite, omniscient, omnipotent, and even in me. This irrational take on a supreme being just never clicked for me.

I have read the bible thru at least once, many other portions I found important many times, especially the New Testament. To be honest after much research and discussions with biblical scholars, I can find no mention of Christ but for the Gospels and just a few prophetic scriptures.

The Christ-conspirators like Acharya S, Timothy Freke, and Peter Gandy, tell me there isn’t one, that he is an myth or an allegorical tale meant to teach us something more important that a martyr who died for our sins. Yet it really pisses Christians off. Heck I would be too were I emotionally invested in such an idea.

Yet In all my reading and not really researching, but more of desire to know, I have had an epiphany:

I think God is simply consciousness itself. That voice in our head that we take for granted as ourselves, the conscience, that which we talk to more than anyone else.

This explains how we are co-creators, and also how we each have our own personal relationship with God.

This is how God can be in us all at once, in all places, knowing all things, I mean sure he knows everything, watches us, protects us

Really just about any line in the Bible (now I haven’t checked them all, and I am sure some don’t) in which God is talking about his relationship with us, most specifically the New Testament. Plug the word “consciousness” in place of the word god (where applicable)

Now don’t let all this fuzzy talk about god and love that is coming from me fool you. I am closer to agnostic that I am a true believer; I am not Christian, in fact I am not too fond of belief period simply because embracing a certain ideology, you shut down all the other possibilities that don’t follow the rules of said ideology. I like to keep my options open. In fact I entertain contradicting beliefs most of the time.

Yet I do think there is a creative force, although I don’t think he is some invisible man who lives in heaven, IMHO heaven is a state of mind, as well as hell. Most of the alien research I have done states that the aliens also follow a creator belief calling it the source, the iss-ness, first cause and so on.

Nearly every ancient religion holds to a creation myth, floods etc. Although I don’t buy into the dogma that surrounds them, I cannot deny a possibility of a fabric, or substance that is within the reach of all. In fact I think it has been under our noses all this time. Our consciousness.

Thoughts?

One thing to say about your post, there is nothing wrong with your post. Describing God cannot be wrong, you can only miss something...which is the rest of things. You do seem to imply that God is a separate entity from yourself, he is, but fundamentally....YOU ARE HIM.

The universe is simply God playing hide and seek with himself. He got bored and created a universe that was hall of mirrors. Just like two mirrors together looks like infinity, our universe seems infinite (and in a sense it really is) but its ultimately just God talking to himself or playing games with himself, so to speak. In that analogy, we are all various refractions of the Great Unity. Call it God, call it something else, its not separate from us any more than the ocean is separate from the waves.

Put another way, God asked himself: "If I am all powerful, do I have the ability to create a canyon so wide that I myself cannot jump over it?" For if he could make such a canyon, then it would imply a limitation of his powers (the inability to jump over it), and thus imply less than omnipotence. And if he couldn't make such a canyon, that, too, would be a form of less-than-omnipotence. So God decided to try an experiment to see if such a canyon could be created. The universe is that ongoing experiment.

[edit on 10-8-2008 by silent thunder]

I do agree with the idea of a path from dualism to unity

this seems to be the core of many eastern religions

those Gods who promote duality...are self serving IMHO

or the scriptures of said god have been tampered with by men of greed or power for selfish reasons

I agree with you silent thunder

also people (aliens included if thats your belief) are a reflection of an entity involved in self exploration, and I think there is some veil dividing unity from dualism (for experiment sake) and perhaps death or "the beyond" is really just on the other side of that veil. Thus all the fuzzy feeling from NDE's and those who have experience unity and found this world lacking....maybe it is

I dunno