Why the Persecution of Illegal Aliens

Originally posted by mexican
reply to post by XTexan

 

look man the reason why i haven't responded to you was because im trying to cool it and not argue with no one.so please leave me alone.

Well you should have thought of that before you pulled out the race card and called me a racist. I'll admit that they're have been racist comments on here, however I have not made those comments. I take great offense to being called a racist, and believe that if the race card is pulled for no reason then it should be very quickly shoved back into the pocket of the one who pulled it out.

reply to post by semperfortis


Fair enough semperfortis, my appologies for any violations of the T&C that I took part in.

Now back on topic

The Persecution of Illegal Aliens

What examples of persecution exactly are we looking into here?

reply to post by sigung86

If those laws are so difficult for you to follow, then it seems that to simply say the immigrants are not responsible, and that the laws should be changed, is a bit more counter-productive....

We need to be responsible for the policies of our Country and not blame others for their ineffectiveness.

By the way, thank you very much for the intelligent discussion. This is what I think the forums are for, and I am grateful for your participation.

Thank you as well. I almost missed your post through the sea of childish bickering. I wish there were more with the maturity and intelligence to have a rational discussion without the personal attacks that a few have displayed recently.

Illegals are sometime persecuted but rarely are they prosecuted for being illegal.

One should take the time to report illegals for prosecution whilst simultaneously not persecuting them for being illegal...

...We can really only report any infractions to the authorities - any other actions could be taken to be seen as persecution.

edit: Why are my posts referencing the reporting of illegal activities to the authorities being removed?

[edit on 10-8-2008 by TruthTellist]

Originally posted by harvib
reply to post by sigung86

 

If those laws are so difficult for you to follow, then it seems that to simply say the immigrants are not responsible, and that the laws should be changed, is a bit more counter-productive....

We need to be responsible for the policies of our Country and not blame others for their ineffectiveness.

I agree that this needs to be fixed from within, but is it not also necessary to ID this huge group of unknowns that is in our country now?

By the way, thank you very much for the intelligent discussion. This is what I think the forums are for, and I am grateful for your participation.

Thank you as well. I almost missed your post through the sea of childish bickering. I wish there were more with the maturity and intelligence to have a rational discussion without the personal attacks that a few have displayed recently.

My appologies for assisting in the derailment of your thread, harvib

reply to post by XTexan

I agree that this needs to be fixed from within, but is it not also necessary to ID this huge group of unknowns that is in our country now?

I'm not opposed to documenting who is in the Country. However I feel like some individuals look to the immigrants to initiate policy change.

Originally posted by harvib
reply to post by Scorched Earth

 

The example you sight would not be fixed by getting rid of immagration. It would however be fixed by getting rid of Welfare, SSI, etc.

Sure it would. Would they be here sucking off vital resources if the border was sealed and all illegals deported? No.

Originally posted by EnlightenUp


I won't go down that road for a second regardless of that. If they're here existing peacefully they can at least be treated in a dignified manner. If they've committed a violent crime that's a different matter and requires corrective measures.

Since crossing in itself isn't a violent act they haven't waived any natural rights. Those rights aren't granted by the United States constitution by the way; they are simply acknowledged as self-evident and reaffirmed.

Violating the sovereignty of a foreign nation isn't considered a violent act?

Walking across may not be violent, but their actions, when taken in factual terms of what they are doing could be considered an act of war.

reply to post by Scorched Earth


My friend, illegal aliens are not the only ones on social services. I would guess most individuals on social services are citizens.

reply to post by harvib


Yes, thats true... I for one would be happy if the current policies were enforced... Not just immigration policies, but employment laws also. This issue snakes its way through a lot of different aspects of our society, which brings people and beliefs from those different aspects out to speak. Sometimes its not the best idea, sometimes its the absolute worst idea buy you'll eventually see them all.

The only policy I would like to come into being, as I have stated, is IDing all the unknowns that we have. We need to enforce the current policies, and if they need more teeth then so be it...

Originally posted by harvib

My friend, illegal aliens are not the only ones on social services. I would guess most individuals on social services are citizens.

Were you trying to prove a point there?

If so, what was it exactly?

A reminder to all...

That no matter how charged or divisive a topic of discussion may be here at ATS the Terms & Conditions will be adhered to when participating.

Thanks.

reply to post by Scorched Earth

Walking across may not be violent, but their actions, when taken in factual terms of what they are doing could be considered an act of war.

Uh oh. Don't tell Bush.

I don't agree with your logic. So if an American commits a crime in a foreign nation that could be considered an act of war? I would think not.

Originally posted by harvib


Uh oh. Don't tell Bush.

I don't agree with your logic. So if an American commits a crime in a foreign nation that could be considered an act of war? I would think not.

Millions and millions of foreign nationals with the majority being from one nation violating the borders of the U.S. on a daily basis could easily be considered an act of war.

reply to post by Scorched Earth


As far as deporting ALL the illegals, while it may be the legal justified thing to do, I think it would cause more harm than good. Just deporting them would cost a huge sum of money that the taxpayers would have to front, cause Im very sure the country they are being deported to will have nothing to do with it (financially that is). We stand to benifit more by legalizing at least a good chink of them so we can reap the benifits of them paying taxes, and possibly back taxes also...

Millions and millions of foreign nationals with the majority being from one nation violating the borders of the U.S. on a daily basis could easily be considered an act of war.

Combine that with the fact that their military and crime syndicates also illegally cross the border and you have a case...

[edit on 11-8-2008 by XTexan]

hmm...

I'm following and building an answer.

I wonder, do illegal immigrants have rights when they do NOT enter a country that requires proper documentation and such? Sneaking into a country and blending in sounds very much like "breaking and entering" to me.

[edit on 11-8-2008 by AnnunakiX]