Russia/Georgia Situation News & Updates

Did anyone happen to watch that press conference by the Russian militaity about 2 hours ago?

I thought it was said that the Russian Black Sea fleet is going to provide security for the incoming humanitarian aid, but I havent found any sources to back that up yet.

Good morning!

www.businessweek.com...

The Associated Press August 14, 2008, 7:26AM ET
BP reopens Georgia gas pipeline

LONDON

British oil company BP PLC says it has resumed pumping gas into a pipeline that runs through Georgia, while two oil pipelines that also run through the country remain closed.

BP says it began pumping gas into the Baku-Tbilisi-Erzurum pipeline earlier Thursday. It had stopped pumping gas into the pipeline on Tuesday because of security fears.

BP's Baku-Supsa oil pipeline -- also shut down on Tuesday -- remains closed as the company continues to assess the security situation.

The larger Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan line remains out of action after a fire earlier this month on the Turkish section of the line. BP says engineers are still trying to review the damage and no time has been set for the reopening of that line.

Anyone see the film of the US cargo plane on the runway unloading stuff ? . That old guy with the pallette unloader thing wasn't military , he looked a bit nervous thou. I bet he couldn't wait to get back home haha , I don't blame him.

News : Leaders of breakaway republics sign new peace deal with Russia

News : Further Allegations of Foreign Mercenaries on attack on Tskhinvali

Most of what is on atm is interviews with refugees and funeral footage , which started yesterday . says "hundreds mourn as loved ones are buried away from homeland ".

112 orphans to arrive in moscow

Says Ukrainian attempts to block fleet are illegal.



[edit on 14-8-2008 by Gun Totin Gerbil]

In defence of maloy he has been posting Russian news in good faith - he is not to blame for inaccuracies that have transpired.

In addition, it is unreasonable to expect the Russian media to be unbiased at a time when its troops are in action. It is even unrealistic to expect them not to be spreading disinformation. Before anyone writes the Russian media off as a result we need to consider the Western media. Where our troops are on a front line the media are also manipulated and used to spread disinformation.

So well done to maloy for at least spending so much time keeping us up to date with the other perspective.

I agree with posters who have said we need to look out for more direct sources - those who are on the ground. Perhaps if we dig intelligently we might get a bit more first-hand evidence via blogs, YouTube, etc., while bearing in mind that even those sources are sometimes staged.

U.S. says Russian forces are on a "wrecking mission."

Russian forces are wrecking Georgian military installations as they move through the country, according to the US.

S ky News

Someone posted about Russian tank movement in Zugdidi.

That can be explained because Zugdidi is a few miles north of Senaki, where the Russians have been blowing up ordinance today. The Russians had been building up some troops in Senaki over the past 2 days, so it could be that they're on their way back north towards Abkhazia.

Originally posted by maloy
reply to post by swesais

 

Is CNN/BBC/SKY a good source? Every single thing they said untill they got some reporters on the ground is just an echo of what Saakashvilli is spitting out.

would you please stop it.
everyone knows how you feel. if you want to reporte russian news sources that is fine. but stop with this endless dribble.....please.

www.reuters.com...

ZUGDIDI, Georgia, Aug 14 (Reuters) - More than 100 Russian armoured vehicles were massed two km (1.5 miles) from the centre of Zugdidi, a major town in western Georgia, a Reuters witness said.

"I counted 104 Russian army vehicles, including 40 armoured vehicles, most of which are tanks," Reuters staff photographer Umit Bektas said by telephone from the city.

Bektas said their purpose was unclear.

He said the convoy included weapons such as rocket propelled grenades and was carrying Russian flags. (Writing by Guy Faulconbridge and Melissa Akin)

Russia refers to its forces in and around Gori as reconaissance parties.

In Moscow, the Russian General Staff said it was legitimate for "Russian peacekeepers" to be in Poti and for what it termed "reconnaissance parties" to be in Gori, two days after Russia signed up to a French-led peace plan to stop the fighting.

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In other news:

The U.S. says its mission is not to defend Georgian installations, but to provide humanitarian aid.

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Originally posted by maloy
Now tell me when did most of the U.S. discover that Georgia is not just a state?

[edit on 14-8-2008 by maloy]

Well, ive known it since the 2nd grade...


So, eat crow...


I thought this situation was finnished days ago...


But im still getting reports of russian troop movemnets in georgia...

A reminder to please stay 'on topic'.

Thank you.

Russia: 'Forget' Georgian territorial integrity

Russia's foreign minister declared that the world "can forget about" Georgia's territorial integrity on Thursday and Georgian and Russian troops faced off at a checkpoint outside the key city of Gori, calling an already shaky cease-fire into question.

The Georgian Foreign Ministry said Russian troops remained in Poti, a Black Sea port city with an oil terminal that is key to Georgia's fragile economic health.

An APTN crew in Poti saw one destroyed Georgian military boat, about 60 feet long, two Russian armored vehicles and two Russian transport trucks inside the port. They were blocked from moving closer by soldiers who identified themselves as Russian peacekeepers

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Breaking:

AFP: UN Official says armed gunmen hold up UN aid workers in Gori and steal their vehicles.

- Sky TV

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Georgian parliament votes to quit CIS

14 Aug 2008 12:28:08 GMT
Source: Reuters
TBILISI, Aug 14 (Reuters) - Georgia's parliament voted on Thursday to leave the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS), a Russian-led grouping of ex-Soviet states, after accusing Moscow of starting a war over separatist South Ossetia.

The chamber voted unanimously in favour of the motion. (Reporting by Niko Mchedlishvili, writing by James Kilner)

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Security situation in Gori, Georgia not even close to calm (Feature)

'I can't (expletive) control them, they're allowing themselves to do whatever they (expletive) want!' said Russia's general Viacheslav Borisov, the burly commander of the Russian forces occupying Gori. 'I can pull my men out of Gori, please, this is not problem ... but I can't answer for what those Ossetians will do!'

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Originally posted by -Rugged Shark-
Russia: 'Forget' Georgian territorial integrity

Russia's foreign minister declared that the world "can forget about" Georgia's territorial integrity on Thursday and Georgian and Russian troops faced off at a checkpoint outside the key city of Gori, calling an already shaky cease-fire into question.

Did he really say that?
It's quite a strong and harsh statement.

Originally posted by -Rugged Shark-
Security situation in Gori, Georgia not even close to calm (Feature)

'I can't (expletive) control them, they're allowing themselves to do whatever they (expletive) want!' said Russia's general Viacheslav Borisov, the burly commander of the Russian forces occupying Gori. 'I can pull my men out of Gori, please, this is not problem ... but I can't answer for what those Ossetians will do!'

source

Well if reports are true.. its not like the commander or his troops are doing anything to stop those there now who are looting and causing destruction to property which they do not own. They come in saying their peacekeepers. But go ahead and steal and blow up military hardware which they say was abandoned?

Those in positions of power, regardless of where they are in the chain, sometimes spew BS which they think others can't see through.

reply to post by titorite

Here at ATS, we should put aside our nationalities, and join together, in an attempt at the truth. Most of the posts on this thread have been unbiased and informative, sorry to get off topic


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[edit on 14-8-2008 by all2human]

I have followed this story since it broke. It could possibly be one of the defining moments of the early 21st Century. The world is waltzing blindly down a road that it has no idea where it may lead.

I am disappointed that some on here want to make this thread a pro-west mouthpiece, just like the rest of the MSM. I don't for a minute buy all of the crap coming from Russia, no more than I would trust buying a used car from the Bush/Cheney Dealership.

I want the news from all sides, and I'll figure out where the truth lies for myself. I don't need the verbal commentary from possibly paid partisans pointing out preposterous positions. I Just need the facts of who says what.

I want to thank those of you who feel you have accomplished some great goal by driving one of the better posters to quit the thread. A poster who brought us the "other side's" perspective. Maybe some of you will get a pay raise for that. But you will be remembered by others as the real censors on ATS.

ap.google.com...

WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House says it is ignoring Russia's claims that Georgia's territorial integrity has been breached and that its two separatist provinces will no longer be part of the former Soviet Republic.

Earlier, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov's (SIR' gay LAH' ruv) issued a statement saying people should drop any talk about the territorial integrity of Georgia, the one-time Soviet state which now is independent and democratic.

Reacting to this, White House press secretary Dana Perino (per- EEN' -o) is telling reporters the Bush administration views such talk from Moscow as just "bluster" and says U.S. officials won't pay any attention to it.