Russia/Georgia Situation News & Updates

reply to post by Russian Boy


Did you know when Russia Invade S.Q they kill some S.Q themselves,
well now you know too it might been misfire or w/e though

reply to post by downtown436


Oh, wow. I was not aware that you could actually trace it back to its origin from the blast residue/ radiation signature/ whatever. That is indeed some pretty damn impressive technology!

Ah well, its for the best that we not have to think about that option in any case, that is truly a scenario from the depths of hell itself.

reply to post by Lethil


Ahh, it's what's on the inside that counts Lethil This dame didn't even know what the Cuban Missile Crisis was so I'm not expecting her to be anything more than just a mouthpiece.

In summary of what's going on:

Russia is pissed.

Everything else is just semantics.

[edit on 11-8-2008 by mattguy404]

What has me worried is the way the media is portraying this conflict. It's all very sensationalized.

Here's a summary of what has happened for those new to the thread.

So far, the only facts that can be ascertained for certain are that Georgia launched an attack against South Ossetia causing sufficient casualties and damage that Russia launched a counterattack. The Russian counterattack consisted of air strikes, and the retaking of South Ossetia, with the most pitched and intense fighting in the capital thereof. During this time, Russia claimed that the number of casualties was tantamount to genocide committed by Georgia. U.N. estimates say that 40,000 people have been displaced.

Russia began to build up more forces in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, eventually crossing the Abkhazi border into Georgia. They occupied a police station in one town, and a large air base in Senaki. Around the same time, Georgia claimed that Russian forces were crossing the Ossetian border into Georgia, and that an invasion of Gori was imminent. Russia denied this, and subsequently Georgia changed their stance, saying that Gori was only suffering shelling and air strikes.

Today, Georgia again says that Russia has taken Gori (although a statement by the president later reversed that statement.) Observers from CNN and Reuters on the ground, as well as international diplomats, all said that Gori had not been taken by Russia, and that it was empty. They did however say that Georgia forces were fleeing Gori rapidly and with an apparent sense of urgency. Russia denies that it has taken Gori, and on the ground reports would seem to confirm that denial. Russia also now says that they have withdrawn from Senaki. There is no independent confirmation of this thus far.

Georgia also says that Russia has taken Poti. This is unconfirmed, but Russia denies it.

That's all we know so far. We don't know anything else for certain in terms of the positions of Russian forces, whether they've mounted a larger invasion, etc.

Yet the media headlines portray it as a full scale Russian invasion, buckling Georgia, and splitting the country in half. There is simply, thus far, no substantive evidence to support such a sensational claim, and I think we all need to take a step back and be objective in our observations of these media reports. I have no bias in favor of Russia or Georgia. What I want is to ascertain the truth, and we have no way of doing that so long as the media reports statements directly from Russian and Georgian authorities as fact, without independent confirmation. The first claim (yesterday) of a Gori occupation should have taught us that.

I'm not denying the possibility of a full scale invasion anymore than the possibility of outright Georgian genocide in South Ossetia. Both, if confirmed, would be horrible atrocities in my opinion, but then I view war itself as a horrible atrocity. I just want to be objective and to avoid being misled by either Georgia, Russia, or the media.

Originally posted by Randy Echo
ask mopusvindictus where the list came from that he presented , it isn't from the same source,

I got it from Europe Business... but it is not the origina post... the list is circulating the net and seems to be based largely upon the list of ships that participated in Brimstone last week...

Also some information coming in from the jeruselem Post regarding Israeli escorts of us ships through the suez



The thing that concerns me is...

We have 3 Carrier battle groups in or headed to the Gulf region

and another full fleet in the Caribean gaurding Hugo (wtf for i have no major idea)

another fleet would almost certainly be left in the mediteranean...

Thats almost Half our Navy... engaged ELSEWHERE

So my concern... what kind of Coverage do we have off the Mssive Atlantic and Pacific Coasts Guarding against Russian and or Chinese Submarines!!! which in essence is already a difficult thing to do when properly deployed forces are in place

The current U.S. Navy battle force fleet numbers 285 combat and support ships, including 12 aircraft carriers, 14 ballistic missile submarines, 53 nuclear-powered attack submarines and four guided missile submarines.

Seems to me that we have 5 Carrier Battle groups engaged away from our coasts and my Guess is..we aren't leaving Japan undefended atm...


thats 6 with 2 not in service that leaves 3 fleets gaurding America?



I am thinking seriously that if Ivan pulls a rope a dope and steams into the North atlantic or Pacific and ignores the Gulf... because we would still have to fight over Iran before ever being a genuine threat...

they could be in sack position of either of our coasts


Like Hitler... spreading too thin over here ...



[edit on 11-8-2008 by mopusvindictus]

[edit on 11-8-2008 by mopusvindictus]

Has anyone heard anymore about an emergency NATO meeting with the Georgian government tommorow?

reply to post by Melbourne_Militia

It's far beyond being planned, the pipeline was completed 2 years ago and is full of Azeri crude.

Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline
The first oil that was pumped from the Baku end of the pipeline on May 10, 2005 reached Ceyhan on May 28, 2006

BP, Industry Partners & Government Leaders Celebrate Completion of BTC Pipeline

[edit on 11-8-2008 by Regenmacher]

reply to post by MikeboydUS

Yes it was way earlier but don't know the outcome of the meeting so far

Originally posted by Rentor
reply to post by Russian Boy

 

Did you know when Russia Invade S.Q they kill some S.Q themselves,
well now you know too

it might been misfire or w/e though

Were you on the battle field and witnessed it ?

reply to post by Russian Boy


Its in the thread lets don't be lazy now
There was a link also about it forgot who post it

[edit on 11-8-2008 by Rentor]

reply to post by Rentor


There was report on CNN a little while ago of NATO advisors flying to Georgia tommorow for an emergency meeting with the Georgian government, which I thought was kind of odd. Since the EU and other organizations already have people there.

Georgian president on CNN live right now. He is saying "Georgia will NEVER surrender no matter what."

[edit on 11-8-2008 by princeofpeace]

on cnn the georgian pres. says they will never surrender, and democracy is stronger than any of russia's bombs

i heard on the radio that the georgian government now has it's government information website in Atlanta. Story was a woman from Atlanta, was leaving Georgia the country to come back to Atlanta when war broke out and she was going to set up their Government website here in Atlanta. Anyone have any other info on this?

reply to post by princeofpeace


haha i need to type faster so i can beat ppl on new info

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by Rentor

 

There was report on CNN a little while ago of NATO advisors flying to Georgia tommorow for an emergency meeting with the Georgian government, which I thought was kind of odd. Since the EU and other organizations already have people there.

Sorry I think you misunderstood that. The Georgian Foreign Minister is flying to Brussels to attend an emergency NATO meeting, which was called by Russia.

reply to post by 4x4fun


Sorry no

reply to post by princeofpeace


Saakashvil also said they would ceasefire and his troops kept on firing..at least twice now. I wouldn't expect much out of Saakashvili, he's about as truthful as Baghdad Bob.

After two min search I found it
kaaltv.com...
edit link

[edit on 11-8-2008 by 4x4fun]

Russia called a NATO meeting? How on earth did they do that?

Originally posted by -Rugged Shark-

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by Rentor

 

There was report on CNN a little while ago of NATO advisors flying to Georgia tommorow for an emergency meeting with the Georgian government, which I thought was kind of odd. Since the EU and other organizations already have people there.

Sorry I think you misunderstood that. The Georgian Foreign Minister is flying to Brussels to attend an emergency NATO meeting, which was called by Russia.