The North Side Flyover - Officially Documented, Independently Confirmed

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
I couldn't care less who you work for.

Then you should not have responded to my quote about TY accepting where i worked.

DO i have to repost the quote again?

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
So you admit to being a liar?

As long as Gavron admits to lying.

I have proven where i work, i have proven the document exist, i have proven i have filed an FOIA for the document. I have also proven that i ddi not break any policy by stating what was in the document.

I am not going to give contact information out to people who are too immature to even accept simple facts proven.




[edit on 19-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]

We'd just be happy with the contact information for your boss, which you said you would post for ThroatYogurt.

Otherwise, we all know that nothing you say/post here is true.

You say you are looking for the truth, but then you lie to everyone here. What are we to believe?



edit: MODS notified about your personal attacks.

[edit on 19-9-2008 by gavron]

Originally posted by gavron
Otherwise, we all know that nothing you say/post here is true.

I have proven where i work, i have proven the document exist, i have proven i have filed an FOIA for the document. I have also proven that i did not break any policy by stating what was in the document.

I am not going to give contact information out to people who are too immature to even accept simple facts proven.

edit: MODS notified about your personal attacks.

I hope you includeed your personal attacks along with the notification.

[edit on 19-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
I couldn't care less who you work for.

Then you should not have responded to my quote about TY accepting where i worked.

DO i have to repost the quote again?

I guess you just don't understand what it was he asked for and what you promised in this post. In case you've forgotten, I'll repost to jog your memory.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
So Roger, I have your last name, DOB, and your current job description. If I were to contact your superiors, would you get reprimanded for your conduct in this forum?

I will give you contact numbers. I have done nothing wrong.

It's pretty clear what you promised. How many more pages will it take before you come up with what you promised?

Lets look at what you told ThroatYogurt:

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
I will give you contact numbers. I have done nothing wrong.

Now, if you never intended to provide them, why lie?

Why did you have to lie, Roger?

From this point forward:

There will be no more posting attacks toward other members.

There will be no more posting personal information.

Any request for personal information will be removed.

Any off topic post will be removed.

Any attempt to derail the discussion will be removed.

For more information on the rules that apply to the 9/11 Forum, read the following link:

Dealing with 9/11 Madness (argumentum ad hominem veritas)

Please remain on topic: The North Side Flyover - Officially Documented, Independently Confirmed

I should have the document soon for posting. If you have any problemns or qiestions please PM me.


[edit on 19-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]

reply to post by ULTIMA1


Can you provide an approximate time frame? You know, a month, three months, a year, what have you. Maybe if you were to let it be known just how long ago you filed your request, I'm sure those with some experience might be able to ballpark it. I know there's a tendency for these things to just get forgotten about and it'd be a crying shame for that to happen here.

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
Can you provide an approximate time frame?

Well i received an e-mail the other day. So hopefully here within the next week or 2.

reply to post by Fitzgibbon

I advise eveyone to put him on ignore. I have reported him to the mods for trolling, for his one line posts, and his insulting tone. You take out him telling people to grow up, act like and adult, or calling you immature all his posts are one line. He just is trying to get ATS points, God only knows why, and brings nothing to these discussions. Let him argue with himself. Anyway, if he doesnt show us the document by jan 9 he has to stop posting.



[edit on 20-9-2008 by tide88]

Originally posted by tide88
Anyway, if he doesnt show us the document by jan 9 he has to stop posting.

And if i do you have to stop posting. Enjoy your time online.

Man this thread sure has veered off topic.

Just in case people forgot this thread is about all the new evidence proving the plane flew on the north side of the gas station which can only mean that it did not hit the building.

1. Robert Turcios saw it "pull up".


2. Maria De La Cerda thought it hit "on top".

3. Roosevelt Roberts Jr. saw it banking around and flying away from the building immediately AFTER the explosion.


There is only one thing for a plane on the north side approach to do.

All of these people could not be so drastically wrong in the exact same way.

13 north side witnesses = proof beyond a reasonable doubt that this is where the plane flew.

reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT

1. Robert Turcios saw it "pull up".


2. Maria De La Cerda thought it hit "on top".

3. Roosevelt Roberts Jr. saw it banking around and flying away from the building immediately AFTER the explosion.

So out of all your witnesses only 2 thought it didn't hit the Pentagon? And these are just the witnesses you cherrypicked - there are loads more who reported that they clearly saw it strike the building. In your own words:

All of these people could not be so drastically wrong in the exact same way.

Well that appears to be what you are suggesting!


Have you any idea how unreliable witness statments are this long after the event. Check out this research on people's memories of the 7/7 bombings and how screwed up they got over the years:

www.guardian.co.uk...

Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke
reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT

 

1. Robert Turcios saw it "pull up".


2. Maria De La Cerda thought it hit "on top".

3. Roosevelt Roberts Jr. saw it banking around and flying away from the building immediately AFTER the explosion.

So out of all your witnesses only 2 thought it didn't hit the Pentagon? And these are just the witnesses you cherrypicked - there are loads more who reported that they clearly saw it strike the building. In your own words:

All of these people could not be so drastically wrong in the exact same way.

Well that appears to be what you are suggesting!


Have you any idea how unreliable witness statments are this long after the event. Check out this research on people's memories of the 7/7 bombings and how screwed up they got over the years:

www.guardian.co.uk...

Dear FatherLukeDuke of Hazard!

All you really have to do, is producing just ONE witness who actually SAW a plane
impact the pentagon.

Now, it is probably a very good thing that I just repeat this again, emphasizing the words "actually" "actually" "actually", three times, again, just so there can be no doubt as to what is meant by this word.

OK, one more time: Actually, SAW with his or her own eyes a plane impact the pentagon!

Don't forget that so far people have only assumed, deduced, imagined, believed, surmised, thought, suspected, guessed, accepted, supposed, pretended, postulated,
theorized, etc., that this was the case!

It would be so good if this person you're going to find, also turns out to be a really genuine good honest fair dinkum above board incorruptible person who would have a better than average concept about what is right and wrong, good and bad, Light and Darkness!

Find this person father, and we would be all so happy!

And we might even start to respect you for your now seemingly undying love for truth and justice, which hasn't been that apparent so far!

Originally posted by djeminy
Dear FatherLukeDuke of Hazard!

All you really have to do, is producing just ONE witness who actually SAW a plane impact the pentagon.

Now, it is probably a very good thing that I just repeat this again, emphasizing the words "actually" "actually" "actually", three time

I'm not FatherLukeDuke, but this is a pretty simple request. How 'bout the on duty Heliport Controller Sean Boger..

"I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building," Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief Sean Boger said. "It exploded. I fell to the ground and covered my head. I could actually hear the metal going through the building."

www.pentagonresearch.com...

Your request is fulfilled. Now, for the acknowledgement..................

reply to post by Reheat


See part 2.

We interviewed Sean Boger.

This is probably one of the most important interviews we have done.

As obsessed as he is with us I don't even think Reheat has watched the interviews!


Boger SAW the plane doing that "impossible" bank on the north side like everyone else proving it did NOT hit the building.

at 7:25:

Google Video Link

reply to post by FatherLukeDuke


13 people saw it on the north side from all different perspectives.



Many were officially documented by the Center For Military History or the Library of Congress within the first weeks of the event taking away your argument of time blurring memory.

Corroboration is the scientific process used to validate witness accounts and the north side flight path is UNANIMOUSLY corroborated proving this is where the plane flew.

You can deny or dismiss the evidence but it will never go away.

Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke

So out of all your witnesses only 2 thought it didn't hit the Pentagon

Wrong.

None of his witnesses thought the plane didn't hit the Pentagon.

Exactly NONE of them.

Furthermore, the majority of his witnesses claim they witnessed the plane hit Pentagon and were in a position to observe such an event.

There are NO flyover witnesses.

[edit on 22-9-2008 by discombobulator]