Seriously injured in fall, cops taser teen 19 times

They tazered him because he made incoherent statements and was saying shoot cops?

He just fell/jumped off a bridge. of course he wasnt coherent.


as far as saying shoot cops, kill cops. If you fall/jump off a bridge your ability to think straight probably goes down quite a bit once you hit the ground.


UGH, The cops coudlnt really feel that this guy was a threat could they?


he has a broken back and heel. Of course he didnt comply. HE HAD A BROKEN BACK AND HEEL!

You cant convince me that a tazer should have been used in this situation. definatly not 19 times...

[edit on 28-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]

as I said.. this is a daily occurance(sp).. but this is just one case in 1 town in 1 state.. how about all the rest that never get reported...

Originally posted by Scurvy
Does anyone know what kind of steps could be taken towards having an investigation launched towards having tazers removed from police officers? At the very least could they not just put a lower cap on the Voltage that runs through the tazer? This is out of control.

The only thing I can think of, is write your senators ,write your congress men. and women. I dont know if it will help but it cant hurt.

I once had an issue with a scam company trying to trick me into paying a bill from at&t. I never had an account with at&t and even called them personally to make sure there wasnt something I forgot. There wasnt.

I wrote a letter to my attorney general. He sent me a letter back ( it took a long time before I got the letter) letting me know they were now investigating. I found out later that this scam company was shut down and there were even arrests!

So yeah, write. Complain. Let your congress know that something needs to be done. Be as professional as possible when writing and you just might see some results.

I hope this helps.

[edit on 28-7-2008 by gimme_some_truth]

reply to post by Quazga


Nope, the amount of force Police are supposed to use are as follows. You don't treat lethal force and nonlethal force as the same thing.

Please understand that tazers are meant to inflict temporary pain, not permanent damage. The tazer is not labelled as a firearm so it is not on the same level as a firearm.

Lemme guess, they were ORDERING HIM TO STAND UP.

He didn't follow their order so they tased him.
I guess it took them 19 shots to figure out that he couldn't stand.

Makes you wonder whether the stories of how dumb people are in the Ozarks are true.

[edit on 28-7-2008 by LazyGuy]

American Police are screwed up don't they train police anymore down there?

reply to post by stinkhorn


Sigh, the tazer is meant to be used as a compliance tool because it is not designed as a weapon. It falls into the less-lethal category of tools Police use to gain control over the situation; the situation being where their lives are most likely on the line because they don't know what kind of psychos are out there.
Just because this particular group of Police used a tazer too many times does not mean that you are supposed to jump on it and group all Police into one category as being f***ing idiots. On one side, tazers aren't something that all Police Departments have on hand or the funding for.

en.wikipedia.org...

Side note: I am not trying to be an apologist for the particular group of officers, I just want to make sure that people understand there are limits that are pressed into the heads of Police during their training.

reply to post by solo1

American Police are screwed up don't they train police anymore down there?

Sure they do. How to use tasers. And then they teach them how to use tasers too!

reply to post by spec_ops_wannabe

It would be different if this were some isolated incident, but it's not at all. It's just another nudge forward toward total and complete fascist-police-state.

Just when you think you've heard it all, you see something like this. When will it be enough?!!

Never I suppose. Boiled frog anyone?

reply to post by spec_ops_wannabe


id buy that if this was a solitary incedent but even you have to admit its becoming more and more frequent through out the USA.

not much point in trying to defend the indefencable.

This is a most unfortunate incident. Tasering an injured teen 19 times seems to be a bit much in my book.

However, I feel that even when events like this occur, law enforcement has a tendency to hold itself above the fray for the most part. There are always going to be the handful of corrupt officers who find their way into what is normally a stellar group. The abuse of power of a few bad apples shouldn't stain the whole force.

Originally posted by spec_ops_wannabe
reply to post by Quazga

 

Nope, the amount of force Police are supposed to use are as follows. You don't treat lethal force and nonlethal force as the same thing.

Please understand that tazers are meant to inflict temporary pain, not permanent damage. The tazer is not labelled as a firearm so it is not on the same level as a firearm.

That's my point though. Because it is not labeled as a firearm, it gets over used, and people die because of it. Or it causes serious complications like it did in this boys case.

The tazer should be treated as a firearm.

Keep in mind, it is because you can't control stupidity that this policy should be put into effect.

[edit on 28-7-2008 by Quazga]

www.belowtopsecret.com...

reply to post by maria_stardust

There are always going to be the handful of corrupt officers who find their way into what is normally a stellar group. The abuse of power of a few bad apples shouldn't stain the whole force.

That argument doesn't work anymore. The system itself is the problem. Here is a cop that seems like he's actually not a bad guy. Especially at the start. Calm, mellow, almost apologetic even for disturbing this family's day, and then the cop does something completey un-called for instead of using his brain...



I can tell you this from personal experience too. There are plenty of cops that are "good guys" when you see them in a personal setting. And even think of themselves as "good" cops because they don't take "gravy" and actually try to hold themselves to a higher standard. But it's all for nothing when something happens like what happens above. The police have become just as complacent, if not more so than the rest of us, about what liberty actually means, and what the Constitution was really meant for. The good cops are on the wrong side now.

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[edit on 29/7/2008 by watch_the_rocks]

Absolutely despicable.

The one thing that really sets me on edge when I watch these videos of people being Tazed is when the officer is screaming for them to comply with his directions to move their body somehow and yet he is pumping them with 50,000 volts of electricity which is freezing that person up and making it impossible for them to comply. So what does the officer do when that person 'won't' (ie: is unable to) comply? Pump them with more electricity making it even more impossible for that person to comply.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the person you are electrocuting cannot move their muscles to comply with your directions. Im sorry, but there is absolutely no excuse for using Tazers in these types of situations. How many more people are going to be tazed before someone grabs the bloody thing, shoves it in the cops face and pulls the trigger?

reply to post by Kryties

How many more people are going to be tazed before someone grabs the bloody thing, shoves it in the cops face and pulls the trigger?

It's happened. There was a thread where that did in fact happen not too long ago. The guy died for it. They shot him full of holes.

reply to post by Kryties

The one thing that really sets me on edge when I watch these videos of people being Tazed is when the officer is screaming for them to comply with his directions to move their body somehow and yet he is pumping them with 50,000 volts of electricity which is freezing that person up and making it impossible for them to comply.

Ever heard this one...?

"There is nothing to fear but fear itself."

Well, what we have here is fear fearing fear. The police themselves are afraid. It's drilled into their heads night and day, militantly, in a brainwash, to fear the people. That the people who they come across, any of them, could be the one who keeps you from going home to your family at the end of the night.

So then you have a scared cop, who is even more scared that the suspect isn't complying, that they actually become so scared that their brain shuts down. Common sense goes right out the window. And how long can a cop live in his own state of fear like that before he snaps?

reply to post by jackinthebox


Hmmm. I'll do my research before I make statements like that in future

I guess it was inevitable that they would shoot the person down, but can you really blame people for having the idea?

reply to post by jackinthebox


I have to disagree with you on this. Are there bad cops out there? Absolutely, no doubt about it. I personally think that one bad cop is too many, but that's neither here or there. By and large they are the exception to the rule.

Let's not forget that law enforcement officers are human, first and foremost. Anyone can have an off-day. That's not to say that unprofessional behavior should be condoned. We just need to remember, that police officers are people and not machines.

That said, it is the police that we rely upon to keep us safe. They stick their necks on the line each and every time they don their uniform and report to duty. At the very least they are deserving of our respect.

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't condemn all of law enforcement because of the poor conduct of a few rogue officers.

reply to post by Kryties


Actually, to be fair, I actually supported the shooting of the suspect in that particular thread. (Sorry I don't have the link.) The police do have a right to defend themselves, the same as any other citizen does. If the perp had gotten hold of the first officer's gun, then not only was the officer's life in peril, but the public was at serious risk as well.

If I remeber correctly, they caught the guy coming out of the complainants garage with stolen goods in the middle of the night.

But still, I do see your point.

One other thing though, before an officer can be equipped with a taser, they have to get shot with it themselves too.