Ussr could be on mars NOW (foia)

Ussr could be on mars NOW as seen in this document--i cannot cut and paste it --so look on page 11 --last paragraph...


www.foia.cia.gov...

SOVIET SPACE PROGRAMS: FUTURE MISSIONS AND CAPABILITIES VOLUME 1 (KEY JUDGEMENT


look on page 15 also 24

[edit on 26-7-2008 by timoothy]

OK the link does not take you there ---just click link provided and type in moon bases in the search bar.

Then click on this

SOVIET SPACE PROGRAMS: FUTURE MISSIONS AND CAPABILITIES VOLUME 1 (KEY JUDGEMENT

The Soviets can't even run their own country! How am I supposed to believe they made it to Mars? Oh and how 'bout posting some pics instead of making me hunt through a bunch of junk.

OP I wanna see the stuff you mentioned about the USSR on mars and all but I'm getting a nose bleed from all the hoops I'm jumping through to get there. sheesh

OK so I went there by clicking on that thing and waited then I type that stuff in and waited some more then I clicked some more and found the stuff you said to look for then I clicked on that and waited then I did some more clicking and waiting then still more clicking and waiting and still even more clicking and waiting then I read what you recomended now I'm leaving this post




Walks away mumbling to himself
" Russians on mars! What the hell was I thinking? "

[edit on 27-7-2008 by SLAYER69]

Yeah right! Besides the Russians aren't even allowed in space, due to the strict alcohol laws Easy on the Vodka buddies.

The USSR can't be right now on Mars for the simple reason that the USSR doesn't exist for 17 years. This is 2008, right?

Originally posted by SLAYER69
OK so I went there by clicking on that thing and waited then I type that stuff in and waited some more then I clicked some more and found the stuff you said to look for then I clicked on that and waited then I did some more clicking and waiting then still more clicking and waiting and still even more clicking and waiting then I read what you recomended now I'm leaving this post

Walks away mumbling to himself
" Russians on mars! What the hell was I thinking? "

[edit on 27-7-2008 by SLAYER69]

quite possibly one of the best posts i have ever seen.

Russia may be on Mars, or may have at one point. For that matter, i think the US is, too. There are hints and innuendo for both. Each almost as wispy as the next.

OK lazy pepole here are the documents --have fun reading --11---15----24--and the rest of the docs are interesting to...

Didn't the Soviet space program halt when the Soviet Union fell, thus making these documents irrelevant? Or are we to believe that Russia continued with the program with comparable funding and pacing?

I do find it interesting to read these documents from the 80's and fantasize about the state of the present, should certain events not have happened. Thanks for posting.

It's alive and well

www.federalspace.ru...

It is an interesting historical document, but nothing more, its twenty five years old. It has no relevance todays situations.

The USSR failed 16 years ago, and it was doomed to, by a failed ideology and an unrealisticly politicized view of the world. Those at the top actually believed their own propoganda, and thosde at the bottom only believed through the intimidation of fear.
An example of the inefficiencies with the soviet system.
I worked with a machinist, who was from russia, and had been a machinist at a soviet era aero-space plant. This would have been in the mid 70's to mid eighties. They machine parts out of exotic metals for aircraft and rockets.
He would report to work and change into hi uniform, that consisted of overall's socks undies and boots, no jewely or any other items were allowed into the factory.
Before clocking in everyone was weighed, now here is where it get wierd.
The workers were paid an hr wage plus a small bonus for work over a certain quota. It seems logical on the surface, except that the amount of work you did was not judged by the number of correct parts you made, but by the amount of "chips" or machining scrap you generated at the end of the shift.
So if the part you were making weighed 5 kilo's and you started with a 30 kilo piece of raw material, they figured for everygood part you would generate 25k of scrap.
So every machinist had there own scrap barrels and at the end of the day
your scrap was weighed and they weighed you again to make sure you werent taking any scrap home. If you generated 1000k of scrap, then you must have made 40 parts.
And your pay was based on the amount of chips you generated, any one see the flaw in the system.

Nobody counted the good parts, and as my friend told it there were days when no parts left the factory but they had used up their daily allotment of materials, so they must have made the parts.?????
He said that people would just machine pieces of material to nothing , making lots of scrap but no parts, or parts so poorly made that almost none would be really usable. Th QC people would just pass them through because they didnt want to be the ones responsible for not filling the quotas.
As long as everyones paperwork checked out it was all good.





Anyway an overly optomistic view of future soviet space efforts.