Where is accurate Information?

I see mars photos claiming to have structures and plants and water and others claiming there can't possibly be any living thing there now.

I hear antarctica shows a hole in earth it but nobody will let any body see it.

I hear the backside of the moon has stuff on it and John Lear has pictures of it from the 1970s before I was born but nobody can prove that either.

I hear we went to the moon but the pictures of the landing are phoney as hell.

I hear nibiru is a fake but nasa the opportunity site is only taking pictures of it now every day and nothing else.

People dont believe nibiru is any big deal but the pope built a special observatory in the usa just to look at it.

And I dont believe mars is red either.

What do you believe? And who?


sarc

True understanding, knowledge is obtained through hard work and objectiveness. Your goal should not be to believe someone or something or to even have "belief". Most importantly, have a collective understanding of the information you recieve. The more honest non judged information you obtain the more clear reality becomes. To believe someone or something implies a faith. Knowledge and understanding do not require faith because they are what what makes up our reality.

So how did you decide who to believe and who not to believe?

Space news is so full of contradictions I dont know where to start.


sarc

Originally posted by sarcastic
So how did you decide who to believe and who not to believe?

Space news is so full of contradictions I dont know where to start.


sarc

Is it really the space news that's full of contradictions or is it the people reading it and putting their own spin on it?

People believe what they want to believe. If you think there are things on Mars and I don't, well we could look at the exact same NASA pictures and you would see something and I wouldn't. Sometimes, believing is seeing.

I tend to be mainstream and go with things that don't set off my BS meter, but that's just me.

Your mileage may vary.

Well contradictions set off my BS meter and there are too many of them.

I wonder if the European Space Agency says the same things or if theyre all following a script.


sarc

reply to post by sarcastic



so name just two stories that blatantly contradict each other then

Originally posted by sarcastic

I see mars photos claiming to have structures and plants and water and others claiming there can't possibly be any living thing there now.

and who is making these claims ? what evidence does each side present ?

I hear antarctica shows a hole in earth it but nobody will let any body see it.

how do they stop you seeing it ? hundreds of explorers have personally visited the pole -

- the italian airship italia was the first craft to overfly it with pasengers

submarines have traverserd the artic ocea UNDER the ice shet - there is no land there - so where exactly is this " hole "

I hear the backside of the moon has stuff on it and John Lear has pictures of it from the 1970s before I was born but nobody can prove that either.

what is john lears qualifications as a photo analyst ?

I hear we went to the moon but the pictures of the landing are phoney as hell.

i hear we went to the moon too

and i accept the veracity of the ALSJ

have a look at it - ant tell me what is fake

I hear nibiru is a fake but nasa the opportunity site is only taking pictures of it now every day and nothing else.

what is the ` nasa opportunity site ` ?

the only nasa probram i am aware of tittled opporunity is the mars probe - that is taking pictures of mars every day

what is your evidence that it is doing something else ?

People dont believe nibiru is any big deal but the pope built a special observatory in the usa just to look at it.

ah that would be the mount graham observatory

and as you are so keen oin contradictions

the claim that the vatican observatory @ mt graham was built to observe nibiru contracits the claim [ made by others on the web ] that the southpole telescope was built to observe nibiru - and that nibiru can only be seen from the south pole

if you analyse both claims rationally - it quickly becomes apparent that there is no evidence for either claim

and my final onservation on nibiru - what happened on may 15th 2003 ??

its not a trick question - because that is the date that mark hazelwood , nancy lieder and others claimed nibiru would cause a ` pole shift `

those claims were false

And I dont believe mars is red either.

why not - have you ACTUALLY looked at mars ? it has been called the ` red planet ` for centuries - do you really think EVERYONE conspires to lie about this easily observable body

Originally posted by sarcastic
I see mars photos claiming to have structures and plants and water and others claiming there can't possibly be any living thing there now.

I don't believe that any of the things presented as living on the usual photos and useless YouTube videos are really living things.

There may be life on Mars, but I think I have never seen any photo of a living (or even a dead) Martian living creature.

I hear antarctica shows a hole in earth it but nobody will let any body see it.

That is one of the most baseless ideas, anyone with enough money can buy satellite photos of any place on Earth, and if there was a hole the atmospheric conditions would reflect that, and those would be visible at a great distance, in the same way sailors use atmospheric conditions to know if they are near land.

I hear the backside of the moon has stuff on it and John Lear has pictures of it from the 1970s before I was born but nobody can prove that either.

If the Moon has something on its backside then it's only the Moon's problem, I have nothing to do with it.

I have never seen anything that I could classify as not natural on any Moon photo(although I have seen things for which I do not have any explanation), even the bad quality photos that are usually used to try to prove those things.

I hear we went to the moon but the pictures of the landing are phoney as hell.

I never went to the Moon, but I do not see any reason to not believe that other people went (and I don't think that there were more people than those publicly presented as Moon walkers).

Oh, and I was one of those who saw it on TV, almost live.

I hear nibiru is a fake but nasa the opportunity site is only taking pictures of it now every day and nothing else.

I have never seen any proof of the existence of Nibiru (but I have read about different versions of Nibiru) and I have never heard about any site taking pictures of it.

People dont believe nibiru is any big deal but the pope built a special observatory in the usa just to look at it.

I did not knew that the Pope was in the construction business.

That is another of those things I classify as fact-based lies. The easiest way of convincing people of a lie is to sugar-coat it with something true, and that method is widely used.

And I dont believe mars is red either.

I don't believe Mars is red either, but I never heard or read about Mars being really red.

The fact that it is called the red planet does not mean that Mars is red, in the same way that the Earth is also called the blue planet and is not blue.

What do you believe?

I believe in many things, but if you are talking about the above, I have already answered.

And who?

Anyone who can show proof of what he/she says or a well supported theory.

In the case of a theory then I do not really believe in it but I believe in the possibility of being an explanation for what it is supposed to explain.

You have all just confirmed what I already believed : that clear information is impossible to obtain.

On John Lears site there are photos of life on the moon and life on mars; yet in the press there is nothing but opinions and confusion as if we were arguing over abortion or evolution or tax law.

Opinions everywhere but no real facts is what Im ranting over. Its not fair to have all this confusion and no clear ... judgment.

There appears to be no such thing as whats TRUE.

HERE. www.msss.com...

The question of whether life is common or rare in the universe has deep philosophical implications. It is uncertain exactly how life arose on Earth, so it is difficult to determine how common such mechanisms are. But if life also arose on Mars, this would show that those mechanisms operated not just once, but twice, arguing that life may well be common elsewhere.

How muddled can you get ? Just try Googling life on mars.


sarc








[edit on 22-7-2008 by sarcastic]

[edit on 22-7-2008 by sarcastic]

Originally posted by sarcastic
You have all just confirmed what I already believed : that clear information is impossible to obtain.

Not really, it depends on the information.

What you should be aware is that much of what we call information is not real information about something (like life on Mars) but information about clues and hypothesis about life on Mars, because real information about life on Mars will only exist if (or when) we find it, before that there is no real information about it.

On John Lears site there are photos of life on the moon and life on mars; yet in the press there is nothing but opinions and confusion as if we were arguing over abortion or evolution or tax law.

Some photos on some site do not prove anything, and what the press prints does not show what is really important for us common people.

And what John Lear site are you talking about?

There appears to be no such thing as whats TRUE.

Obviously that exists, the problem is that we may not know how to distinguish it from the rest.

I think not knowing how to distinguish what is true from what is just conjecture is a big problem now. Opinions everywhere but people dont even know what a fact is.

People think mars is red but nobody questions how that can be so if its a planet with some atmosphere some seasons and some standing water.

We have red rocks at Arizona and New Mexico but our whole planet is not red either.

I think were misled alot and few question it.


sarc