The Reason Drugs Are Illegal In America.

The reason drugs are illegal is because the government makes more money off them being illegal, as opposed to being legal. Via, Court Charges, Lawyer fee's, Jail Time ect... Not to mension they TAKE OUR DRUGS AND RESELL THEM back to the streets, (or for personal use for the officers) If it were legal this HUGE BUISNESS would now all of a sudden lose lots of revenue, that, we all know, is the last thing they want.

Drugs and People have coexisted just fine up until they started talking about "how bad they are" and started puting restrictions on every type of drug they could not tax effectivly. It has nothing to do with how people act on the drugs or how dangerous the drugs are to our health. THE GOVERNMENT DOESNT CARE ABOUT YOUR HEALTH!!! They got guns on sale at wal-mart with discounted ammunition for god sake. Some drugs are not good to do,(alot of) this I will admit, But most of what they say about them is well overexaggerated.

Most of the good drugs are not "Made In America" either. which means that they dont want you to do someone else's drugs, they want you do to THEIR drugs. They profit on every angle and its going to continue. They have absolutly no incentive to make it legal. All that will do will directly negativly affect their bank accounts and thats not going to happen.

Also... another interesting point is, Its human nature to want what we cant have. Better for sales? Most likly

I have no doubt that I missed a few things, if anyone has anything they want to add, feel free. Respond with opions please. Very curious.

I never thought about it like that before.

I always figured the govt. was involved, but never really knew how....this actually makes some sense to me.

Star.

Anything you can get with drugs, I can get with:

Protein powder;
Vitamins;
Legal Supplements;
Legal Herbs;
Fasting;
Exercise;
Meditation.

(neener, neener)

Just say 'no' to drugs.

Can you IMAGINE what would happen if all Americans would just stop taking drugs?

The CIA would collapse;
The Tobacco industry would collapse;
The Jamaicans would be out of business;
The Russian mob and the other Mob would be out of business;
Thousands and thousands of cops would be looking for a job;
The DEA would be out of business;
ATF would be out of business (is there still an ATF?);
Thousands of lawyers and Judges would be standing in line in soup kitchens.

BTW, I don't drink beer, smoke cigs or anything else, drug free. And I feel GREAT!

(not trying to be a holier-than-thou...just sayin')










[edit on 22-7-2008 by Badge01]

reply to post by Badge01

I couldn't agree more. I don't see what the big fuss about whining about the government not legalizing certain drugs is. People can get the same effects of drugs from i-dosier (if I got the name right) which is completely legal, without any side effects, and they could if they wanted to live a drug-free life. But rather than live a life without drugs they complain about not having any.

The government has done a great job with the anti-drug campaign. Well, they have done great with everything except actually stopping the drugs. But, they have made people believe that drugs are indeed bad.

What the government has obviously made people forget, is that drugs have historically had a strong connection to spiritualism. Shamanism has used drugs for years.

Are all drugs bad? NO, but the government wants you to believe that. Remember, this is the government that says no to natural drugs..... But, man-made pharmaceuticals are fine. Lets forget the ancient natural drugs, chemicals are better for us!

Its quite hilarious, that while a good percentage of people on here feel betrayed by our government on issues, they still worship anti-drug ideology put forward by the same government. Is it possible that the government is attempting to subdue free thinking?

reply to post by ThreeDeuce

Explain how drugs are good to me. I don't believe a word of what the government says. Yet I don't do drugs because I know what drugs to do other people that I've seen use drugs and I know that just from seeing other people who I have seen do drugs that most drugs, if not all drugs, are bad. How can a drug be good if it makes someone so emotionally withdrawn from their family that they just spend all their time growing tobacco fields and selling them for profit... while at the same time making their brain dependent on the chemicals for the same high... and forcing them to keep using the drugs over and over to achieve this high?

Man-made pharmaceutical drugs are fine because they are legal and they don't cause an addiction. Most of the illegal drugs do.

[edit on 22-7-2008 by Frankidealist35]

Would you rather them legal?????
Just imagining going down to my local 7/11 and buying myself some pot
you can’t smoke crack until your 18 son

reply to post by Frankidealist35


Man-made pharmaceutical drugs are ok huh?

I understand people are free to express there opionions, I am, and I want the moderators to know that I am not trying to bash the last post, but come on!!??!?

Before you post that opinion think about it. Really, i could list hundred of addictive, HORRIBLE, Man-made pharmaceutical drugs, one being one that is a Huge street drug today. Meth, Crank, Ice, yes is a Man-made pharmaceutical drug, created by governments, a long time ago. Used by soldiers in WWII, and still used today in Korea, Taiwan, and China, by there working class. It is put in a pill form with caffeine, that's how they build all these crazy lead filled toys shipped to us! ...
And other man made pharmaceutical drugs include, Oxycontin, Vicodin, and Morphine, all which can , WILL cause a physical addiction if any person takes them for a period of time, not a long period either. It doesn't matter if you have the best will power, and have never used "DRUGS", it is a FACT you will get addicted to these drugs, which then leads to so many bad things. People are "Tricked" into addiction now! Just think a little more if that is truly what you think.
Now to the topic on hand, well this subject is so deep, one thing I know they will never be legal. Not while the current style of government is in control. It has probably become so deep, and lost with so many agencies in control of it, that would be to hard to ever put a stop to the way it is ran now. I think the #1 proof that the government has something to do with the how drugs get here is the fact that people can get a substance grown in forest thousands of miles from here, very easy, easier than people can get there man made pharmaceuticals, or prescriptions, and way cheaper! How do you make sure drug addicts keep using, and breaking there laws, make them cheap! The only thing I think can be done is to change the current quacked out laws. I don't smoke weed, but the laws that come along with using and possessing weed are just WRONG. I think it was Thomas Jefferson that said something like he had his best thoughts, and ideas, while smoking hemp! No joke! Change the laws, offer more help, and TONS of more education. The thought that scares me the most, is what are the true long term effects of these man made pharmaceuticals, We don't know yet, some are very new. What type of human is going to evolve from the addicts? Scary? Will they reach a "HIGHER" level of consciousness when humans evolve , than non users? Some of the best artist ever where drug users? A lot of hours could be spent on this debate. Just this post alone made me decide just now that I am going to try and join these forums. Please don't take what I say personally, I am not trying to be rude in any way. Just be careful with those Man made pharmaceutical drugs!

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by ThreeDeuce

 

Explain how drugs are good to me. I don't believe a word of what the government says. Yet I don't do drugs because I know what drugs to do other people that I've seen use drugs and I know that just from seeing other people who I have seen do drugs that most drugs, if not all drugs, are bad. How can a drug be good if it makes someone so emotionally withdrawn from their family that they just spend all their time growing tobacco fields and selling them for profit... while at the same time making their brain dependent on the chemicals for the same high... and forcing them to keep using the drugs over and over to achieve this high?

Man-made pharmaceutical drugs are fine because they are legal and they don't cause an addiction. Most of the illegal drugs do.

[edit on 22-7-2008 by Frankidealist35]

I don't think something is 'fine' because it's legal. Alcohol is legal yet it's a pretty dangerous drug. Pharmaceutical drugs CAN cause addiction, lots of people abuse pharmaceuticals.

Since when does a drug have to be dangerous to be illegal? The only drugs that are illegal are the ones they can't put a 10,000% markup on and actually make money off without customers producing their own medicine.

Celebrex: 100 mg Consumer price (100 tablets): $130.27 Cost of general active ingredients: $0.60 Percent markup: 21,712%

Claritin: 10 mg Consumer Price (100 tablets): $215.17 Cost of general active ingredients: $0.71 Percent markup: 30,306%

Keflex: 250 mg Consumer Price (100 tablets): $157.39 Cost of general active ingredients: $1.88 Percent markup: 8,372%

Source

Their just drug dealers, a heroin dealer with a fancy store and adds in the paper.

When you get a prescription, you can almost be sure theirs a safer drug, but your not going to have it recommended because it won't make them as much money and theirs likely some negative effects caused by the prescription drug that you can just 'take a bit of this for.'

Although I don't like they way prescription drugs are dealt with by companies, I think ALL illegal drugs need to be legalized, Especially the dangerous ones. It's completely absurd to allow the black market to deal with the most dangerous drugs when they aren't going to think twice about selling crack to a 9 year old!

EDIT: reply to post by Frankidealist35

I-doser is a scam(imo), and even if it gave the effect or 'high' of a drug, it would not have the medical effect(amusing your trying to use it for medical reasons)
I tried the I-doser when I saw it all over the internet but it does nothing(like most people said) The only thing it could really do is cause a placebo effect, in which case, sugar pills are cheaper.

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[edit on 7/22/2008 by Bumr055]

Originally posted by Badge01
Can you IMAGINE what would happen if all Americans would just stop taking drugs?
...
The Jamaicans would be out of business;
...

What do you have against Jamaicans? I'd rather not put such nice people out of business. Not to mention, wow, way to stereotype an entire country as drug farmers.

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I couldn't agree more. I don't see what the big fuss about whining about the government not legalizing certain drugs is. People can get the same effects of drugs from i-dosier (if I got the name right) which is completely legal, without any side effects, and they could if they wanted to live a drug-free life. But rather than live a life without drugs they complain about not having any.

I-Doser doesn't do anything.

You don't see what the big fuss is..how about personal liberties, freedoms? The right to choose what you do with your own body without the government stepping in..? These things don't matter to you?

I really doubt you're living a drug-free life. No caffeine, no alcohol, no prescription drugs?

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
Explain how drugs are good to me. I don't believe a word of what the government says. Yet I don't do drugs because I know what drugs to do other people that I've seen use drugs and I know that just from seeing other people who I have seen do drugs that most drugs, if not all drugs, are bad. How can a drug be good if it makes someone so emotionally withdrawn from their family that they just spend all their time growing tobacco fields and selling them for profit... while at the same time making their brain dependent on the chemicals for the same high... and forcing them to keep using the drugs over and over to achieve this high?

Man-made pharmaceutical drugs are fine because they are legal and they don't cause an addiction. Most of the illegal drugs do.

The first part of that confused me..you know a tobacco farmer who spends too much time working? Most farmers spend too much time working. Farming is a demanding job, whether you're farming tobacco or corn. Why wouldn't this farmer sell his tobacco for profit? Should he give it away?

The second part there just makes me sad. Man-made drugs don't cause an addiction? Where have you been for the last century?

While you were gone, we have had some problems with pharmaceuticals.

Doctors notoriously get hooked on their products, from ether a hundred years ago to shooting up pain meds today. Many people become addicted to prescribed pain pills. Pain medications are opiates..drugs derived from opium. Heroin comes from the same plant that morphine and codeine do. But yet..if it has a brand name it's okay?

We had an era of housewives hooked on speed that was prescribed to them. Today we have a huge percent of the population on anti-depressants that you cannot just stop taking, you have to be weaned off of them. Find me anyone who takes Xanax that is not addicted to it. And how about sleeping pills? Those are some addictive little buggers.

As for explaining why drugs are good, I'm running out of characters here, but briefly: drugs have been used since humans started farming and talking. One may have led to the other. They have been extremely influential in our progress as a species. Jesus liked to rub people down with cannabis oil, shamans trip to come to conclusions, Native Americans enjoyed their smokes. There is nothing unnatural about humans ingesting what God has put on this planet for us. There is something quite unnatural about trusting a doctor to give you a chemical concoction, however..

This thread makes it obvious that most people have bought the government propaganda whole-heartedly. Drugs are bad, except these which we have conveniently packaged for you: alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, and prescription medications.

Originally posted by aggadoo

Originally posted by Badge01
Can you IMAGINE what would happen if all Americans would just stop taking drugs?
...
The Jamaicans would be out of business;
...

What do you have against Jamaicans? I'd rather not put such nice people out of business. Not to mention, wow, way to stereotype an entire country as drug farmers.

Uh, Jamaican mob. They essentially stole the lower level drug trade from the mafia with strong arm tactics, or so the legend goes.

Not talking about the J people. Sheesh, what do you take me for?

Why pick apart my point on silly specifics. Thing is a lot of people depend on the users for their nefarious industries. We'd wipe out a lot of the bad influences if everyone went clean from street drugs. Obviously a hypothetical as well, which will never happen.

reply to post by Badge01


I was supposed to know you meant Jamaican mob when you said "The Jamaicans"?

I have never heard of a Jamaican mob, perhaps you could educate me with some links on that. I'm coming up empty handed on Google. Stealing the drug trade from the mafia..sounds like a movie plot.

As for picking apart your point, I couldn't get past the neener-neener. I didn't think I could maintain a level of decorum. But here, I'll try harder.

Can you IMAGINE what would happen if America would just legalize drugs?

The CIA would collapse;
The Jamaicans [mob] would be out of business;
The Russian mob and the other Mob would be out of business;
Thousands and thousands of cops would be looking for a job;
The DEA would be out of business;
ATF would be out of business (is there still an ATF?);
Thousands of lawyers and Judges would be standing in line in soup kitchens.

as well as..

Drug use would go down;
Crime related to drugs would go down;
Billions of dollars would be saved rather than used in the War on Drugs;
Billions of dollars could be made by taxing drugs;
etc.

reply to post by aggadoo

I'm living a relatively drug free life. I think that you're confusing drugs that are illegal for a reason with drugs that are relatively safe. The reason that alchahol is legal is because the original prohibition law failed. I take OTC drugs like cold medication and I take vitamins. But a lot of these drugs are meant to cure something or some kind of problem. These illegal drugs really don't. Why would you want them legal?

And I don't use i-dosier so I have no idea how effective it is.

reply to post by Frankidealist35

Are you saying all illegal drugs have no medical value?

recently i witnessed a state approved theft of a psychotropic substance and the car it was in, myself having been suspect due to my being with friends hangin having an honest and fun time. I know the anti-druggers would say good. but just wait until something you like is oppressed and fat mobsters in shiny badges come to steal your crap for the profit of the state, which means your cities are built on a curse. A lie. An illigitamate maker.

If humanity would excersize a little more humility towards eachother, wether you get along or not, the world in general would be more civil.

reply to post by aggadoo


Jamaican mafia: www.mafianj.com...

People say they want drugs legalized, but they really mean they want it not to be illegal for them, not legal for everyone under every circumstances.

If the gubmint made them legal, then each state agency and organization would turn around and make them illegal again. (just like with concealed carry handguns).

So, though we probably never should have criminalized drug use by private individuals in their own homes, (Blame RW Hearst) it's been done and it can't be undone; so why call for it?

I'd say it's dumb to make it required that even mild drugs be a criminal offense with jail time. But look at oxy. a pain pill - it's ruined lives.

Maybe big pharma is the culprit making herbs into concentrated form.

Maybe it's the fault of the CIA, hiring chemists to make psychotropics, and using hard drug trafficking to fund their ops.

I think we should probably be able to grow whatever herbs we want in our gardens, but how do you stop amateur chemists from concentrating them.

Of course it's useless to call for everyone to stop using drugs, but it might be possible to educate them not to abuse drugs. IDK. I just know I'm glad I'm not hooked or dependent on bad drugs.

I do take pain pills now and then but most of the time I just try and suffer through my chronic pain, which I have 24hrs a day.

Sorry you felt put off by my silly chant. It was meant to be self-deprecating.

Thanks for your post and comments.




[edit on 25-7-2008 by Badge01]

I have a few opinions on drugs, being as I have to take them to survive. Many pharmaceutical drugs are no good at all, they alter the mind to a degree that is not good at all. Anti-Depressants
and pain drugs are good for this. Xanax and Prozac are defiantly mind control drugs. Marijuana is not a drug, it is an herb, and the NWO government knows that it opens the mind to clear thought, that is why they don't want anyone to have it. The CIA is the largest drug dealers in the world, IMHO, and when the police arrest a street dealer, they are not after a criminal, they are eliminating the competition. The "War on Drugs" is a complete farce, and a great waste of tax-payer money. The fact is, the human brain has receptors for each and everything we give it.
Under no circumstances trust these new designer drugs. Every time I go to my doctor these foxy women are there from the drug companies, Merk mostly, and give out samples of their new products. Use your head, is all I am saying.

Originally posted by autowrench
Many pharmaceutical drugs are no good at all, they alter the mind to a degree that is not good at all. Anti-Depressants and pain drugs are good for this. Xanax and Prozac are defiantly mind control drugs. Marijuana is not a drug, it is an herb, and the NWO government knows that it opens the mind to clear thought, that is why they don't want anyone to have it.

You've made some good points. I agree, Big Pharma is evil in no uncertain terms. They have medications which will cure diseases (called orphan drugs) which they won't produce because there aren't (they claim) enough people with that illness to make them a profit.

They are behind the drive to rid us of vitamins, wanting us to take their designer drugs so they can...guess what...make them a profit.

They rush drugs to market, not to help consumers, but to make them a profit, and they cover up the 'bad' results.

Have you heard those commercials for 'Abilify' (note the compelling name)? It's just to 'tone' down people with 'manic syndrome'. But the side effects are horrendous! ALL those commercials for those pharma commercials have horrible side effects, including - get this - statins (cholesterol drugs) which can cause -irreversible- side effects like restless Leg Phenomenon akathisia, which is life long and does not subside when you stop the statin drugs. It's not even listed as a 'rare' side effect, but a common one.

There's a class action suit for a pain killer (Ultram) which the participants say it is incredibly addictive. Other suits exist for COX-2 inhibitors:
Vioxx
Celebrex

...and we all know about Oxycontin's suits and dangers

I was on Vioxx for a short while, the doc never said anything about problems and I usually don't have any, but I had a feeling of impending doom after about a week - fortunately I realized it was the medication.

I'm getting to the point of ranting, heh, so I'll stop but it goes on and on about Big Pharma. (just google on class action suits and pain killers).

The CIA is the largest drug dealers in the world, IMHO, and when the police arrest a street dealer, they are not after a criminal, they are eliminating the competition. The "War on Drugs" is a complete farce, and a great waste of tax-payer money.

You know at first the CIA denied this but the evidence started piling up until even the most ardent supporters had to admit the CIA used many hard drugs running to finance their covert ops. It's not even a 'fringe' assertion. We won't even mention their giving psychotropics to people causing them to kill themselves, then the CIA denied it. A few survivors have successfully taken them to court on this.

The fact is, the human brain has receptors for each and everything we give it.

Yep, many things it does. '___' is produced by the brain but they've made ayahuasca illegal, and put it as a Schedule I drug (the 'worst') as though it's as dangerous as the worst of the street drugs. Not likely any epidemic of people taking '___' is going to happen. But you could be arrested and put in jail for having a brain - essentially, since you're 'holding' heh. I'm not promoting using it, just saying there's a lot of hypocrisy there wrt the law.

The real reason MJ was made illegal is that Anslinger and Randolph Hearst conspired to have it demonized and blamed for black people raping white women (it didn't happen!) because Hearst saw it was so much better than cotton and stuff used to make paper (Hearst sold newspapers) he didn't want to have to compete with it (Hearst owed many cotton plantations and stock). They wish this info wasn't out there, incidentally, because it's VERY embarrassing for them (the Hearsts and the gubmint)

So, though I don't do street drugs, alcohol or tobacco, and only now, pain meds, water pills for edema and a blood pressure drug (A.C.E. inhibitor), I get really angry at the way the gubmin and big Pharma has treated and abused people. They're huge enablers, and don't mind putting people in jail for essentially a victimless crime, promoting the drugs they can profit from while demonizing the 'street drug' misnomer on herbal things etc.

/Rant.

The upshot is the above and I would urge people to think about ways to get off their drugs, research lifestyle and diet and maybe herbal safe alternatives (with your physician's help)(*). It's liberating and if we could do it, the Man would take a huge hit. In fact I can imagine them panicking if everyone stopped using street drugs. The law would start reversing their stance (see Soma and Aldus Huxley/BNW) and promoting drugs just to stay employed :p

(*)Disclaimer: don't try this at home. Your MD has you on drugs for a valid reason and stopping taking them could be dangerous. I'm talking about a philosophical stance and am not dispensing medical advice, ymmv, yada, yada.



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